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Now that wouldn't be aimed at any particular group of people, would it ?

Wolfman wrote:Now that wouldn't be aimed at any particular group of people, would it ?

Yes.

Those who are shallow & stupid.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Wolfman wrote:Now that wouldn't be aimed at any particular group of people, would it ?

Yes.

Those who are shallow & stupid.

Ding!!!

sin

The tanned guy in the middle.

10% tanning tax? But of course.

What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

This bar I eat lunch at all the time is always full of unemployed barflies bitching about how they can't find work while they are drinking beer and chain smoking at 11:30 AM. Every last one of them should be lined up and shot for being stupid ass, lazy, irresponsible wastes of oxygen. Instead, I get to help subsidize their health care when they have lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. I'd much rather buy the gun and bullet for them.

IndyFrisco wrote:10% tanning tax? But of course.

What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

This bar I eat lunch at all the time is always full of unemployed barflies bitching about how they can't find work while they are drinking beer and chain smoking at 11:30 AM. Every last one of them should be lined up and shot for being stupid ass, lazy, irresponsible wastes of oxygen. Instead, I get to help subsidize their health care when they have lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. I'd much rather buy the gun and bullet for them.

They let people smoke in bars? Since when?

BSmack wrote:

IndyFrisco wrote:10% tanning tax? But of course.

What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

This bar I eat lunch at all the time is always full of unemployed barflies bitching about how they can't find work while they are drinking beer and chain smoking at 11:30 AM. Every last one of them should be lined up and shot for being stupid ass, lazy, irresponsible wastes of oxygen. Instead, I get to help subsidize their health care when they have lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. I'd much rather buy the gun and bullet for them.

They let people smoke in bars? Since when?

Since the good old days before the fukking nanny state jumped in and saved us all.

Personally, I fukking hate smoke, but, banning it in bars is ridiculous. It has put many places out of bidness.

Apparently indiana still has a shred of private property rights.

IndyFrisco wrote:What they should do is quadruple the tax on alcohol

Fuck that! I enjoy a few beers after work.

smackaholic wrote:It has put many places out of bidness.

Link? Anyway, Indiana is phasing out smoking in bars, too.

BSmack wrote:

IndyFrisco wrote:10% tanning tax? But of course.

What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

This bar I eat lunch at all the time is always full of unemployed barflies bitching about how they can't find work while they are drinking beer and chain smoking at 11:30 AM. Every last one of them should be lined up and shot for being stupid ass, lazy, irresponsible wastes of oxygen. Instead, I get to help subsidize their health care when they have lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. I'd much rather buy the gun and bullet for them.

They let people smoke in bars? Since when?

Are you this dumb? I'm not bitching about the second hand smoke. I'm bitching about the fact these assholes are jobless yet blowing money on alcohol and smokes in the middle of the workday when they should be pounding the pavement. Of course, your thing is to deflect. These are the same waste of skin who despise working folk like myself for earning what I have and feel entitled to a piece of it even though they did nothing to earn it. Those same people, I would not piss on if they were on fire.

IndyFrisco wrote:
Are you this dumb?

Yes, he is. Box of rocks.

IndyFrisco wrote:I'm not bitching about the second hand smoke.

And I didn't imply that you were bitching about second hand smoke. I live in New York. We haven't allowed smoking in bars for years. Even North Carolina has a ban on bar/resturaunt smoking. I was just expressing a measure of surprise that someplace noth of the Mason-Dixon Line was still allowing smoking in bars.

The city of Madison outlawed it a couple of years ago. The statewide ban won’t go into effect until July. Not surprised that New York is out in front on banning what is allowed in a privately owned establishment. Doesn’t the city New York have a ban on trans fats in restaurants?

Goober McTuber wrote:The city of Madison outlawed it a couple of years ago. The statewide ban won’t go into effect until July. Not surprised that New York is out in front on banning what is allowed in a privately owned establishment. Doesn’t the city New York have a ban on trans fats in restaurants?

Yep. And the latest brainstorm is a failed attempt to ban salt in restaurants.

Really. I'm not kidding.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_n ... 100310-akd

BTW: I didn't say I was a fan of these measures. I was a pack a day smoker when the bar ban hit. Since then I have quit smoking and all but quit going to bars. But that doesn't mean I am a fan of restricting personal liberty.

I’m a little over 9 years removed from a nicotine habit, but I always felt that smoking in bars should be decided by the owner. If there was such a demand for smoke-free taverns, entrepreneurial types would be opening them. I have less of an objection to banning it in restaurants.

And posters scoffed when I suggested that Obamacare would trigger a culture war over lifestyle choices that should ber taxed or subsidized by the State.

Thanks, BSmack, Mikey, other liberal fuckheads...you thought you were fixing health care and then it changed to expanding access and then it changed to reforming health insurance and all you managed to do was force a new massive tax on us to fund a new massive bureaucracy to sit there and tell us how we shouild live...props! I'm sure you've been wetting yourselves for 48hrs now.

Yeah, but it's a tax on douchebags. I fail to see the downside of this one.

JMak wrote:And posters scoffed when I suggested that Obamacare would trigger a culture war over lifestyle choices that should ber taxed or subsidized by the State.

That's not all we scoff at you for. You're pretty much a target for derision no matter what your post topic.

BTW: Here in NY, the nany state has been a bipartisan effort right on down the line. The party of the governor or legislature has been immaterial since in order for anything to pass, one had to get the approval of Republican and Democratic leaders. That is now starting to shift somewhat in favor of a Democratic majority, but the hold is tenuous and a bad cycle this fall could set that back 10 years as a Senate GOP majority would allow the Senate Republicans to Gerrymmander their seats for another 10 years. But if the Dems manage to break the deadlock in the senate this fall and control the entire redistricting process? Then the days of the GOP as anything other than a regional (mostly rural) force are over.

IndyFrisco wrote:What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

IndyFrisco wrote: I'm bitching about the fact these assholes are jobless yet blowing money on alcohol and smokes in the middle of the workday when they should be pounding the pavement. Of course, your thing is to deflect. These are the same waste of skin who despise working folk like myself for earning what I have and feel entitled to a piece of it even though they did nothing to earn it.

Like the fat white trash bitch in line in front of me at the c store the other day. Getting my Sunday paper, ( so I can look for a yob) and she piles the counter full of packaged snacks, chips, pork rinds, jerky, soda and then wants 2 packs of smokes. Clerk rings it all up, she runs her Oregon Trail card ( food stamps) through the machine, it rejects the smokes and gives her a total of $ 17.00 something, which is of course paid for by the taxpayers of the Socialist State of Oregon. She then busts out a $ 20 bill for the 2 packs of smokes at $ 5.25 a pack, loads it all up and waddles her fat ass back out to the car where her half breed boyfriend is sitting, smoking cigarettes with 2 bastard half breed kids in the car.

Now should packaged food like that and the soda be paid for off welfare food stamps??? or should they only be allowed to purchase diet staples and protein items??

Should welfare junkies be required to piss test for dope and nicotine ?? Hell yeah....

Fucking welfare losers....

Derron wrote:Now should packaged food like that and the soda be paid for off welfare food stamps??? or should they only be allowed to purchase diet staples and protein items??

In your jealous rantings, you just gave me a brilliant idea. Restrict food stamps and WIC to the purchase of whole foods only.

Now I just need to find a NYS legislator to push it through.

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:Now should packaged food like that and the soda be paid for off welfare food stamps??? or should they only be allowed to purchase diet staples and protein items??

In your jealous rantings, you just gave me a brilliant idea. Restrict food stamps and WIC to the purchase of whole foods only.

Now I just need to find a NYS legislator to push it through.

Not sure in Indiana, but when I lived in Texas, soda was not allowed to be paid for with food stamps. No chips, no candy. Only essentials like milk, bread, eggs, meats, cheeses, etc. You've seen the 15 items or less lines, right? Well, we also had "No food stamps" lines. Why? Because the food stamps trash would pile up on cookies, grape soda, hard candy, etc. and then once the cashier rang it all up and they broke out the food stamps, a balance would show up to be paid for items not covered by food stamps. Then, the fucking trash would get all loud and cause scenes about stuff they NEEDED like Lifesavers and Orange Crush. Managers are called in where items are removed from the bags, and usually the piece of shit leaves in a huff.

So, rack the invention of the "no food stamps" lanes. Tax paying Americans can go through the line, pay your hard earned money for your items and get the fuck out without having to deal with the food stamps whores of America.

Of course, if the "no food stamps" lane had few people, you still got the food stamps piles of shit that went in that line and expected them to accept the stamps after everything has been scanned and bagged. Talk about another jungle experience after they are denied and sent back to another line...

Great idea.

Well, apparently things have changed in Texas. You can now buy junk food. Used to not be the case. Guess Texas allowed their restrictions to become much more "liberal".

What can I buy with my Lone Star Card?


If you get food benefits:

You can buy food, seeds and plants at stores approved by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The seeds and plants are used to grow food for your household to eat.



You cannot use food benefits to buy:

○ Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco;

○ Any non-food items (For example, pet foods, soaps, paper

products, and household supplies);

○ Vitamins and medicines;

○ Food that will be eaten in the store;

○ Hot foods.

Aren’t food stamps a Federal program administered by the states? The rules should be the same from state to state. From the Wisconsin handbook:

You can use your benefits to buy foods such as:
• Breads and cereals;
• Fruits and vegetables;
• Meats, fish and poultry;
• Dairy products; and
• Seeds and plants to grow food for your family to
eat.

You cannot use your benefits to buy items such as:
• Nonfood items (pet foods, paper products,
soaps, and household supplies, grooming items,
toothpaste and cosmetics, etc.);
• Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco;
• Food that will be eaten in the store; or
• Hot foods.

KC Scott wrote:I absolutely support the idea of anyone on public assistance being forbidden from using those funds for chips, soda, twinkies, etc.

i agree. if you accept tax funded entitlements you should have your life regulated.....

Goober McTuber wrote:Aren’t food stamps a Federal program administered by the states? The rules should be the same from state to state. From the Wisconsin handbook:

You can use your benefits to buy foods such as:
• Breads and cereals;
• Fruits and vegetables;
• Meats, fish and poultry;
• Dairy products; and
• Seeds and plants to grow food for your family to
eat.

You cannot use your benefits to buy items such as:
• Nonfood items (pet foods, paper products,
soaps, and household supplies, grooming items,
toothpaste and cosmetics, etc.);
• Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco;
• Food that will be eaten in the store; or
• Hot foods.

twinkies and doritos are food and beer isn't?

sacrilege.

I'm fairly sure i could dig up studies supporting the health benefits of moderate alcohol consumption. i doubt the same can be said for twinkies or doritos. they are absolutely empty shit calories.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

smackaholic wrote:It has put many places out of bidness.

Link? Anyway, Indiana is phasing out smoking in bars, too.

I used to work with a guy who owned a pool hall with his dad. first the state mandated expensive smoke eating equipment. i think he said it ran around $15k. A few years later, the state jammed him with the no smoking period laws. the result was an immediate 50% drop in bidness. Within another year they closed up. On the bright side, I know where I can buy a commercial grade pool table fairly cheap as he still has a dozen or so sitting in storage.

This kind of property confiscation by the state should result in somebody being stood against a wall and shot. Instead, it is applauded by morons who think it promotes health and lowers healthcare costs.

bullshit.

smokers will smoke, at home if need be. they will also tend to die rather quickly of lung cancer before collecting a penny's worth of SS or medicare.

either ban the shit outright or leave people the fukk alone.

smackaholic wrote:moderate alcohol consumption

This does not compute.

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:Now should packaged food like that and the soda be paid for off welfare food stamps??? or should they only be allowed to purchase diet staples and protein items??

In your jealous rantings, you just gave me a brilliant idea. Restrict food stamps and WIC to the purchase of whole foods only.

Now I just need to find a NYS legislator to push it through.

Jealous rant ?? Bwwaaahaaa....There is nothing in those stores I would even think about eating..In normal times for me, I do not eat much processed food..that shit is bad for you. I grow my own vegetables and can usually have enough to get me over the winter...I usually kill an elk every year, 2 turkeys, 12 or so salmon and buy buffalo from my neighbor. CBCS.

This year due to my health issues, I thought we would be buying high priced organic meats at the store. But my friends came through, and put over 200 pounds of elk meat in my freezer, about 20 salmon, and 60 pounds of buffalo meat. No food stamps just good generous friends.

When I was about 18 or so, a friend of mine and I took a deer out of season :twisted: :twisted: while skinning it out at the home place, the old man asked why I took the deer...I said we could use the meat....he then told me that there already was half a beef and one deer in the freezer..and I was being selfish. He told me to go ahead and finish processing the deer and then take the meat to these old widow's who were living on SS and barely getting by. I can tell you after that, those widows never lacked for table meat. That is not welfare, it is charity and a lesson learned.

Dinsdale wrote:

IndyFrisco wrote:What they should do is quadruple the tax on tobacco and alcohol. Of course, that would hit the pockets mostly of the poor lazy fucks who can't control their vices.

THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

I'm relieved by this post, Dins. I was starting to think you were actually Lars Larson. Literally.

OCmike wrote:Yeah, but it's a tax on douchebags. I fail to see the downside of this one.

It's a slippery slope and your splayed anus is at the bottom.

mvscal wrote:

OCmike wrote:Yeah, but it's a tax on douchebags. I fail to see the downside of this one.

It's a slippery slope and your splayed anus is at the bottom.

There is nothing that could make me feel better about the pending success of health care reform than to see you spewing garbage like that. Your hate make me stronger.

You appear to be as every bit sanctimonius as you are stupid. I can't help but notice that you have failed miserably to defend this legislation on its merit. You haven't done much except offer some vague, hopeful mewling that maybe one day we can be like Canada.

That isn't going to cut it and neither is adding another trillion dollars to the national debt. The dumb n...igger you voted for will easily double the debt in four years that Chimpy racked up in eight.

Who's going to pay for it? The rich? Guessafuckingain smiley.

mvscal in 2006: "The Dems will never win the House, much less the Senate."

mvscal in January 2008: "Obama will never win the nomination. Hillary will steamroll him."

mvscal in July of 2008: "OK, so Obama somehow won the nomination. But he'll never win the Presidency. No way Americans vote for a black man."

mvscal in 2009: "Obama will never pass health care."

mvscal in 2010: "The health care reform Obama just passed will fail."

Do us all a favor and change your avatard to this...

But that doesn't mean I am a fan of restricting personal liberty.

You're joking---right ?

Ad hominem is a sure fire indicator of a failed argument as are bald faced lies.

mvscal wrote:Ad hominem is a sure fire indicator of a failed argument as are bald faced lies.

Stopped clocks have been right more often than you. That's not an ad hominem, that's a demonstrable fact known to anybody who has bothered to read this board. You're so fucking ignorant you didn't even realize that when the House voted on the Senate bill that it would go to the President for his signature. You thought that the Senate would be voting again before Obama signed. Here's your post, dated Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:14 am, 12 hours after the bill had passed the House and not 24 hours before the President signed.

mvscal wrote:This turd hasn't even passed yet. The ball licking invitations are premature. If the Senate follows their own rules (ridiculous I know), the House reconciliation package is DOA.

You are wrong every step of the way, yet you persist. I suppose in a perverse way I admire your dogged determination. And for the love of all that is holy, please do not stop. You are an absolutely spot on negative barometer.

BSmack wrote:That's not an ad hominem, that's a demonstrable fact

The only demonstrable facts here are that:

A. You cannot make a case for this legislation.

B. You blatantly lie in a pathetic attempt to distract attention from your inability to defend a piece of shit law that will not benefit you or anyone else in any measurable way and yet will cost you even more money.

mvscal in 2006: "The Dems will never win the House, much less the Senate."

Lie. Conventional wisdom says midterm elections go to the party out of power. Chimpy's first midterm was an abberation.

mvscal in January 2008: "Obama will never win the nomination. Hillary will steamroll him."

True. I did overestimate the intelligence of the average Democrat voter. Why? I don't know. I offer no excuses.

mvscal in July of 2008: "OK, so Obama somehow won the nomination. But he'll never win the Presidency. No way Americans vote for a black man."

Lie. My take was that the only reason he was in the running in the first place is because he's a n...igger.

mvscal in 2009: "Obama will never pass health care."

Lie. I offered no opinion on the subject anywhere.

mvscal in 2010: "The health care reform Obama just passed will fail."

Lie. Pointing out the fact that it hadn't passed yet is not saying that it will fail.

Feel free to contribute something other than lies and bullshit. You can start by telling us all how were supposed to pay for this shit and what, exactly, we're going to get for our money.

You may begin at any time.

BSmack wrote:

mvscal wrote:

OCmike wrote:Yeah, but it's a tax on douchebags. I fail to see the downside of this one.

It's a slippery slope and your splayed anus is at the bottom.

There is nothing that could make me feel better about the pending success of health care reform than to see you spewing garbage like that. Your hate make me stronger.

Asshole, what about Obama, Dean, Pelosi, et al arguing that this is merely a first step? Hell, just today Tom Harkin was arguing that they would pass the public option via reconcilliation next year...

You're a fucking a moron if you think this nonsense stops here. From here on out this gets worse and worse as we descend into a cycle of warring about whose lifestyle decision get preferential treatment. This bullshit tanning tax is just the first...fucking moron.

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:mvscal in 2006: "The Dems will never win the House, much less the Senate."

Lie. Conventional wisdom says midterm elections go to the party out of power. Chimpy's first midterm was an abberation.

Fortunately for you, doing a search for your old posts ain't happening. Otis took care of that. Because if he hadn't, I am absolutely certain that a search for mvscal posts containing the words "Democrat" + "2006" and "Not a fucking chance" would have yielded more than enough proof.

mvscal in January 2008: "Obama will never win the nomination. Hillary will steamroll him."

True. I did overestimate the intelligence of the average Democrat voter. Why? I don't know. I offer no excuses.

You did not just "overestimate the intelligence of the average Democrat". You said that the party leaders would step in to overturn the will of the electorate and install Hillary as the nominee. Of course you were dead wrong.

mvscal in July of 2008: "OK, so Obama somehow won the nomination. But he'll never win the Presidency. No way Americans vote for a black man."

Lie. My take was that the only reason he was in the running in the first place is because he's a n...igger.

And you also said that Americans wouldn't vote for him. It was 18 months ago. If you're going to lie, try lying about something a tad older.

mvscal in 2009: "Obama will never pass health care."

Lie. I offered no opinion on the subject anywhere.

You mean other than opining that Obama was an ineffectual fucktard who would get chewed up and spit out by Washington like a low calorie version of Jimmy Carter? How's that working out for you?

mvscal in 2010: "The health care reform Obama just passed will fail."

Lie. Pointing out the fact that it hadn't passed yet is not saying that it will fail.

But it did pass. It is law. No matter what stunts the Senate GOP pull, it is law. And you were too fucking ignorant to understand that.

Feel free to contribute something other than lies and bullshit. You can start by telling us all how were supposed to pay for this shit and what, exactly, we're going to get for our money.

The bill errr THE LAW is 2000 pages long. Read it yourself if you are really interested in the payment mechanisms. Or read the CBO scores. Or stick a fucking grenade up your ass. I really don't care. I'm just here to point out your many failings.