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Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:21 pm
by Mikey
Priest calls for pope's resignation
East Longmeadow, Massachusetts (CNN) -- The phones are ringing off the hook at the parish of St. Michael's Church, where the Rev. James Scahill called in a sermon last weekend for the pope to resign over the church's sexual abuse scandal.
Pope Benedict XVI has found himself tied to the crisis after news broke last month that 30 years ago, when he was an archbishop, he approved accommodations in his diocese for a priest accused of child sex abuse so the priest could undergo therapy.
The priest, who was not identified, was let go from church service in 2008, according to church officials in Germany.
"If he can't take the consequences of being truthful on this matter, his integrity should lead him, for the good of the church, to step down and to have the conclave of cardinals elect a pope with the understanding that the elected pope would be willing to take on this issue, not just in promise," Scahill said.
His church has received more than 100 emails and dozens of calls, of which only two were negative, Sister Betty Braughan said.
Scahill, a longtime critic of the sexual abuse crisis in the church, said the Vatican is responsible for the controversy and believes that it is wrong to blame the media for perpetuating the scandal.
"I have met with countless victims of abuse. I have lives I can relate this to, and you know anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the media has not created this scandal," he said. "The institutional church has brought this onto themselves."
The priest complimented the church on its programs for better protection of children over the past eight years but added, "The last temptation, the greatest treason, is to do the right thing for the wrong reason."
The church took action after years of sexual abuse only because it had been exposed through the media, Scahill said.
Although he has received great support from his parishioners, he admits it has been hard to speak out against the church and the pope.
"This has not been a healthy thing for me. It's a lot of stress, but I believe the truth needs to be spoken, and I believe the people want to hear the truth and [that] they are sick of the smoke and mirror approach."
Bishop Timothy McDonnell, whose diocese includes Scahill's parish, said it was a sad irony that Scahill gave his sermon on Divine Mercy Sunday, "a day on which the church throughout the world re-affirms Christ's forgiveness, reconciliation and mercy towards all his followers."
Or maybe something a little more...emphatic...to bring all those pesky little priests into line?

Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:03 am
by poptart
Can the pink slip be far behind?
Thought this thread was about AP.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:09 am
by Trampis
Catholisism is bizzare.
Done in Norm MacDonald voice..." Hey there preists...dont have sex and try to relate and be normal why dont ya"
My wifes nephew is taking, having?, his first communuion on Sunday,... hes 8. It will be as exciting for him as the first time he ate a booger.
Im happy for him I guess...as long as he doesnt get molested in the process it should go well.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:06 am
by Wolfman
It's a little odd that some of you have this fixation on the problems of Catholic church. Perhaps you could explain it.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:09 am
by mvscal
Wolfman wrote:It's a little odd that some of you have this fixation on the problems of Catholic church. Perhaps you could explain it.
They fuck young boys up the ass and don't care if you know about it.
Does that clear things up for you?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:40 am
by Wolfman
Like it doesn't happen elsewhere ? Why single out one entity, why not vent against NAMBLA and the likes ? You act like the Roman Catholic Church accepts pedophilia as doctrine. You can't seriously believe that. Were they trying to cover up the problem, of course. Maybe a bad decision not to air dirty laundry in the public forum given the modern world of information in which we live.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:57 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
I love how you're suddenly a beacon of perspective and objectivity the moment an organization you identify with is brought into question.
And perhaps that "entity" is being singled out because they're doing it by the fucking thousands whilst looking for a big enough rug to sweep it all under.
Eat shit. Eat my shit.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:27 am
by Mikey
Wolfman wrote:It's a little odd that some of you have this fixation on the problems of Catholic church. Perhaps you could explain it.
I'm Catholic and right now I'VE got some problems with the Catholic Church.
You really need to mind your own business.
And God damn it. It's the One True Church. Learn to CAPITALIZE properly or stay the fuck out of my thread.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:31 am
by mvscal
Wolfman wrote:You act like the Roman Catholic Church accepts pedophilia as doctrine.
They have certainly given nobody any reason to believe otherwise. They merely shuffle around their pedo-priests like a shell game. It's what makes Christianity such a pathetic religion and a perfect haven for the most vile sexual deviants society has to offer.
All you have to do is say you're sorry....
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:36 am
by Mikey
mvscal wrote: All you have to do is say you're sorry....
I don't think that's actually required.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:45 am
by H4ever
Wolfman wrote:Were they trying to cover up the problem, of course. Maybe a bad decision not to air dirty laundry in the public forum given the modern world of information in which we live.
Why do you think there are sex offender registrys where the general public is notified when a sex offender relocates? Why do you think information on sex offenders is readily available to everyone?
Would you consider that a bad thing since it is "airing dirty laundry" via the "modern world of information in which we live" ???
I think many in the Catholic church up to and including the Pope should be charged with aiding and abetting felony sex offenses against minors or whatever each individual states' statutes stipulate. In Nebraska, a sexual assault on a child involving penetration is a class 1 felony....same as murder in the first degree. Punishable by up to life in prison.
If a number of elementary p.e. teachers were regularly sodomizing young students and the school administrations were concealing these crimes and keeping these same criminal, rapist, pedophile motherfuckers on the job, don't tell me you would apologize for them, too the way you seem to apologize for the church.
Pedophile priests who use their positions/status in the motherfucking Catholic Church for easy access and avenues of opportunity to their victims should be publicly castrated and then locked away for the rest of their natural lives.
Shame on the church for coddling those who victimize the very innocents who come to them to get closer to God.
The most hardened and heartless criminals in penitentiaries will murder pedophiles for their crimes. They are housed in protective custody units. And ya know why? You don't fuck with kids. Same guys who beat old ladies to death for their purses agree. You don't fuck with kids.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:56 am
by Van
Wolfman wrote:Like it doesn't happen elsewhere ? Why single out one entity, why not vent against NAMBLA and the likes ?
Because NAMBLA members are not immune from prosecution for their criminal offenses the way the Pope may or may not be. Oh, and because NAMBLA and their ilk aren't committing rape against children in the name of God. NAMBLA also isn't in the business of self-serving sanctimony even as they're commmitting child rape. Organziations such as NAMBLA are rightfully scorned; they're not venerated as being the physical embodiment of the Word of God.
Is that edifying enough for you?
You act like the Roman Catholic Church accepts pedophilia as doctrine.
With 'accept' being the key word, yes, they do. If they didn't accept it, they'd be turning these pedos in to the local police for criminal prosecution rather than merely attempting to hide their misdeeds.
You can't seriously believe that
If you don't believe that, you're not only senile, you're a complete moron. What world are you looking at? When was the last time you saw a priest being led away in cuffs after his superiors took the first step to turn him in to the authorities?
Were they trying to cover up the problem, of course.
The very definition of acceptance. A lack of acceptance means a lack of tolerance. A lack of tolerance means an immediate defrocking and the notifying of the proper authorities. Acceptance means they let it continue while trying to keep it a secret.
Maybe a bad decision not to air dirty laundry in the public forum given the modern world of information in which we live.
Proof that their sole priority is to maintain the status quo, even if doing so entails acceptance of pedophilia within their priestly ranks. Rather than living up to the standards they purport to aspire to - standards one might expect a gas station attendant to easily live up to, without even having to be told - they're less concerned with doing what's right and more concerned with covering their asses.
Need I remind you, these people have set themselves up as final arbiters of
morality. Their moral hypocrisy knows no bounds, and it's without peer.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:59 am
by PSUFAN
Wolfman, why the blind spot on pedophilia? If you would defend the Catholic Church, then why not demand better morality from its leadership? Are you really this casual about where you offer allegiance and support - that you can shrug off pedophilia?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:05 am
by Van
Mikey, your new avatar represents the single best upgrade ever witnessed 'round these parts. The only thing that ever came close was the replacing of LV's Fugly Ginger Baby pic with basically anything else.
I really do wonder, how retarded does someone have to be in order to look at that old German feeb in the gay clown suit and say to themselves, "Yep, I will worship that man as God on Earth."
C'mon, people! Look at that guy! That's what you worship?!
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:09 am
by PSUFAN
As fucked up as the guy looks, his actions are far uglier.
Yep, Benedict will come to symbolize the Church's struggles with pedophilia. Truly moral parishioners will seek to put distance between themselves and Benedict.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:10 am
by Tom In VA
Van.
1. I think you're spot on with your takes about this specific crime. The "Move along, nothing to see here" approach is failing, it's wrong, it's defending the indefensible. Which is a good thing. It is a cleansing(hopefully). It was an absolute abuse of trust, authority, and power.
2. Nobody worships the pope.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:11 am
by poptart
mvscal wrote:It's what makes Christianity such a pathetic religion
Ought to say ...
It's what makes catholicism such a pathetic religion.
Trust in Christ is
faith.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:13 am
by Mikey
Van wrote:Mikey, your new avatar represents the single best upgrade ever witnessed 'round these parts. The only thing that ever came close was the replacing of LV's Fugly Ginger Baby pic with basically anything else.
I really do wonder, how retarded does someone have to be in order to look at that old German feeb in the gay clown suit and say to themselves, "Yep, I will worship that man as God on Earth."
C'mon, people! Look at that guy! That's what you worship?!
I only had it for less than 24 hours and I just thought it was a pretty cool picture. He looked so happy, holding his staff and waving all decked out in that beautiful brocade and the mitre. Just had to use it for a while.
Nobody worships the Pope, BTW. He's not supposed to be "worshiped". That reserved for the Big Guy and his Boy. Oh yeah and that weird dove that seems to hang around them sometimes.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:14 am
by PSUFAN
If Catholics don't worship the Pope, then they definitely underwrite his crimes. Why would you choose to be led by monsters of this sort - to let them stand for your beliefs, to let them speak to you on your God's behalf? Have you no better options where your religious fealty is concerned?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:18 am
by Mikey
Nobody "chooses" to be led by the Pope. It's not a democracy. Most of us were Catholics long before Palpatine XVI came along.
Just because there are a bunch of assholes "leading" the Church, doesn't necessarily make the Church a bad thing.
When Bush was President I still thought the USA was pretty cool.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:19 am
by Tom In VA
PSUFAN wrote:If Catholics don't worship the Pope, then they definitely underwrite his crimes.
We all underwrite many crimes dude. You're not absolved from that at all - if this is the route you're taking.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:28 am
by PSUFAN
You're right, of course. The Catholic Church is exempt from property tax. As a taxpayer, I underwrite their crimes just as surely as one who cuts them checks does.
Sorry, Mikey - If the Church aids and protects pedos, then takes money from parishioners and indirectly from taxpayers (money intended for good works) and spends it on pedo crime settlements and resettling criminal priests - that organization has lost its grasp on moral leadership. At that point the Church IS a bad thing.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:32 am
by Van
There are plenty of people who worship the Pope as the current physical messenger of God. Like Mike Backer with Mark Cuban, the Pope is God's proxy, so rightly or wrongly he is worshipped.
And hey, lookie there! God's consigliere wants us to know that God thinks nothing is more important than protecting pedo priests and the coffers of the Catholic church.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:33 am
by Mikey
PSUFAN wrote:You're right, of course. The Catholic Church is exempt from property tax. As a taxpayer, I underwrite their crimes just as surely as one who cuts them checks does.
Sorry, Mikey - If the Church aids and protects pedos, then takes money from parishioners and indirectly from taxpayers (money intended for good works) and spends it on pedo crime settlements and resettling criminal priests - that organization has lost its grasp on moral leadership. At that point the Church IS a bad thing.
Then I guess the United States is a bad thing. It takes your tax money, a lot more of it, and spends it on illegal wars, subsidizing corporations that rape the land, keeping Dick Cheney alive, etc, etc, etc.
So, you gonna leave it?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:37 am
by Tom In VA
Mikey wrote:PSUFAN wrote:You're right, of course. The Catholic Church is exempt from property tax. As a taxpayer, I underwrite their crimes just as surely as one who cuts them checks does.
Sorry, Mikey - If the Church aids and protects pedos, then takes money from parishioners and indirectly from taxpayers (money intended for good works) and spends it on pedo crime settlements and resettling criminal priests - that organization has lost its grasp on moral leadership. At that point the Church IS a bad thing.
Then I guess the United States is a bad thing. It takes your tax money, a lot more of it, and spends it on illegal wars, subsidizing corporations that rape the land, keeping Dick Cheney alive, etc, etc, etc.
So, you gonna leave it?
Sustaining dictatorships that tortured communists in Central America, Vietnam, Cold War, Nuclear Proliferation, Korea, WWII (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, internment camps), WWI (chemical weapons), Spanish American War (Colonialism), Civil War, Genocide of Native Americans, Slavery, etc.. etc.. etc..
There is so much good in the worst of us
And so much bad in the best of us
That it hardly behooves one
To criticize the rest of us.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:40 am
by PSUFAN
That doesn't wash.
I must pay my taxes and abide by the laws of the land, or I can be jailed.
You can walk away from a Church that protects and encourages criminal activity - and you can do quite freely.
I can cast my votes against those in power who I oppose. In many ways, I can work to change said government.
Your opinions on the leadership of your organization are not welcome or even elicited. The only way you can change your organization is to leave it.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:57 am
by Tom In VA
PSUFAN wrote:The only way you can change your organization is to leave it.
Disagree. I have changed, personally, throughout the years. The change came from within - sometimes due to external circumstance. I can't very well "leave me".
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:05 am
by Van
That's not what Dave said, Tom. He said the only way a person can change the organization - not themselves - is to leave it. He was making that point to demonstrate the difference between supporting this country and supporting the Catholic church. By law he is forced to support this country through the paying of taxes, and he also has the ability to effect change with the power of his vote. With the Catholic church he has no say-so in their dealings, so his only option for changing the organization is to leave it.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:06 am
by PSUFAN
With respect, it doesn't appear you understood the point I was making to Mikey.
Of course you can change yourself - your "organization". I referred to Mikey's US/Catholic Church equation.
[edit - thanks, Van]
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:10 am
by Tom In VA
I can dig it.
Thanks all, excellent reading and dialog.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:17 am
by smackaholic
Van wrote:That's not what Dave said, Tom. He said the only way a person can change the organization - not themselves - is to leave it. He was making that point to demonstrate the difference between supporting this country and supporting the Catholic church. By law he is forced to support this country through the paying of taxes, and he also has the ability to effect change with the power of his vote. With the Catholic church he has no say-so in their dealings, so his only option for changing the organization is to leave it.
you mean he can't make himself a write in candidate on the next pope election.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:42 am
by BSmack
You know, when I did this wytch a few years back, I had no idea how hauntingly close to real life it was.
Seriously, was there ever a time when this fraud of a pope did NOT cover up for a pedophile? Ever?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:45 pm
by Mikey
PSUFAN wrote:That doesn't wash.
So, my analogy wasn't perfect. How may analogies are? You'd find some reason to differ no matter how close it was.
I'm pretty sure you had problems with the Church long before the pedophile thing came out. So did I, and I'm not in any way defending what's going on now. I've been pretty close to walking for some time now. To me it's not really worth arguing about.
I will say this, though. For us it's more about the community than the Church heirarchy. The Pope and his minions do not affect our everyday lives. There has been no scandal in our parish. Without going into details, the pastor at our church has "walked the walk" as far as courageously living up to "Christian" ideals, in the face of criticism from different sides on different issues, more effectively than probably anybody I've ever known. The local church supports many important aspects of the community including a K-8 school, food bank, hiring center, a Women's Resource Center that actually provides spritiual and material support to single mothers instead of just haranguing against abortion, my kid's Boy Scout troop, etc. I'm not quite ready to bail just yet, based on the sins of people I don't even know.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:41 pm
by PSUFAN
I respect that, Mikey - and I'm not trying to smack you on this. I'm fascinated by your reply - it seems very similar to that of my parents in similar discussions, back when we had them. My take remains that the vast majority of Catholics are good, moral people who try to lead good moral lives. What I can't understand is the willingness of those good folks to be represented by - and for their monies to support - such criminally depraved authorities.
I tell my parents, "Interested in doing good works? Become Quakers." I do really believe that they'd be better suited to another organization. In my book, the Church has no exclusive hold on good works - there are churches that seem to pursue them with more honesty and more vigor.
Thank for recognizing - as so few actually do - that I am not crafting attacks on you as a Catholic.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:52 pm
by mvscal
BSmack wrote:Seriously, was there ever a time when this fraud of a pope did NOT cover up for a pedophile? Ever?
Or any other pope. Why now? Why so special about this one?
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:07 pm
by Van
Because this one was caught with his hand in the cockles jar.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:14 pm
by Mikey
PSUFAN wrote:I respect that, Mikey - and I'm not trying to smack you on this. I'm fascinated by your reply - it seems very similar to that of my parents in similar discussions, back when we had them. My take remains that the vast majority of Catholics are good, moral people who try to lead good moral lives. What I can't understand is the willingness of those good folks to be represented by - and for their monies to support - such criminally depraved authorities.
I tell my parents, "Interested in doing good works? Become Quakers." I do really believe that they'd be better suited to another organization. In my book, the Church has no exclusive hold on good works - there are churches that seem to pursue them with more honesty and more vigor.
Thank for recognizing - as so few actually do - that I am not crafting attacks on you as a Catholic.
Not too many Quakers around here.
Limited choices include LDS (too many already), Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopal and some sort of sing songy church of the river spirits or somthing.
Thought about walking across the street to the Episcopal church, but they're in some kind of legal fight now trying to break away from the mainstream commie liberal Episcopals, take over the property and join up with the he-man woman haters gay bashers club. I'll wait to see how that comes out.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:22 am
by Tom In VA
KC Scott wrote:Mikey wrote:
I will say this, though. For us it's more about the community than the Church heirarchy.
I know quite a few that are in for this reason alone. It's what their friends do, where they go and a big part of their social lives.
Nothing wrong with that -
Indeed seeing as many of the social events involve charitable acts to help the poor and needy.
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:15 am
by LTS TRN 2
I'd like to know why anyone feels the Church was ever any different. Why does anyone believe it ever had a shred of credibility? Have you actually read Gibbon? As for the perversity, why would anyone be the slightest bit surprised that a bunch of natural politicians--and that's what the calling of priesthood actually reflects--who swear into a vow of celibacy in order to crawl up the slimy ladder should--shudder--act on their pent up and twisted desires?
The model of the Catholic hierarchy is of course based on that of the ancient Egytian priesthood--right down the line, from the outfits, the celibacy, the octagonal features of the various structures (you know, that room in the church where babies are baptized?). But...does anyone really believe that any priest in the Catholic church really believes in that which sustained the ancient Egyptian priesthood? Or even knows what it was? The Rottweiler certainly knew to surrender to the Americans rather than the Russians. :wink:
Re: Can the pink slip be far behind?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:55 pm
by Tom In VA
KC Scott wrote:
Actually more like Softball and Pot Luck Dinners
Those events are geared towards keeping the morale of the fellowship high so they can be more effective at helping the poor and needy.