Nick, your take, please...

[Van]

Do they achieve a nibble upon the toe of the Goddess?

[LTS TRN 2]

No. At best they sniff the seat from where She just arose. The first tune is just two chords monotonously trotted about in some sort of Gypsy Kings-Lite imitation. The second is more interesting--same stuff but more energy with the idiotic crowd who actually listen to this stuff? Impressive, I suppose, since it's not jabbering rut-funk, but totally boring and tedious. Sure, it's miles beyond John Tesh or the dozen other Yanni spin-offs, and it's great that folks are promoting guitar as guitar. But it's not flamenco or true Gitano spirituality at all. I don't doubt they've got a fairly diverse repertoire and can mix it up, but this stuff is wallpaper. Check out Manolo Sanlucar.

[Van]

smackaholic is going to hunt you down and kill you, then punch you in the face, then kill you again.

I'm not blown away by anything Rodrigo does. He's certainly competent, but he doesn't seem to be anything special. 'Generic' comes to mind. I am however pretty damn impressed by Gabriela's right hand.

I shot you those two clips simply because they're easily accessible songs. I've heard other things from them that were more intricate and varied - and more purely flamenco - but the main thing that always grabs me when I see them is that right hand of hers.

[LTS TRN 2]

Indeed, and it's a benefit of her petite hand. The basic law of physics which bestrides all of sports also attends various aspects of playing instruments like guitar--namely, the amount of force (strength) required to move an object increases exponentially to the weight. So, the ability of such full sized primates as Segovia or Julian Bream to play that dazzling whisking right-hand rhythm is about that of Shaq to do a single pull-up.

[Van]

Manolo Sanlucar keeps some pretty good company...



Gotta say, though, that I prefer Paco. They're both aliens, but Paco is my gold standard. His teacher was amazing too...

[LTS TRN 2]

Those who know don't tell...and those who tell don't know.

Suffice to say, I've been playing guitar and other instruments for a good while.

Good vid, Van, with the two great Gitanos having a pow-wow. Notice how Sanlucar eschews a capo while Paco goes with the standard second fret. Worlds beyond the kids, though she can sit on my face while excitedly strumming, etc.

[Van]

Nick, you've got them mixed up. Sanlucar is using the capo there, while Paco is eschewing it. In some of the other vids I watched last night Paco was using it and Sanlucar wasn't, and vice versa.

As for Gabriela, well, girls like her, and the violin playing sister in the Corrs...



...and especially this chick...



...just work for me. Ideal women.

[Dinsdale]

Nick, your take, please...

I'll take "Things that should never be typed on the internet for $1000, Alex."

[LTS TRN 2]

Dare, Dins...just dare...to have an opinion. Someday.

Yer right, Van, and if my car had just been stolen by a gypsy car-ring--and I had to file a report--I'd have had Paco in trouble! As you may know, whenever a gypsy gets caught the rest of the group will not rest until he/she is free.

When it comes to ladies gettin' down on the boards, let's just skip to the good stuff, shall we?

(lowbrows, hang in until the 4:00 mark )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3jF3g4K ... re=related

[Dinsdale]

Dare, Dins...just dare...to have an opinion. Someday.

OK. In my opinion, you suck with a passion that only someone who is truly passionate about sucking can passionately suck.

Because goodness knows, I'm not considered by my T1B peers to be particularly opionated, or anything like that.


Idiot.

[Van]

Nick, the Dance of the Seven Veils absolutely works for me, though I've certainly seen it performed by more beautiful women.

Okay, the truly ideal woman looks and plays like the ones I mentioned, while also being a world-class dancer.

:twisted:

I could actually do without the operatic voice. Maybe that means I'm lacking in culture, but I've never enjoyed that type of singing. Love the symphony beneath the voice; could do without the voice.

Oh, and yeah, to say that Dins is shy about expressing his opinions here, well, a take doesn't get much more wrong than that.

[Mikey]

"Opera" and "symphony" are generally regarded as two distinct forms.

...sayin'

Perhaps you meant "orchestra"?

[Dinsdale]

"Opera" and "symphony" are generally regarded as two distinct forms.

...sayin'

Perhaps you meant "orchestra"?

I just shook my head, and laughed it off as Van being Van.

[Van]

I enjoy the symphonic orchestra playing in support of ballets and beneath the singing in most operas. I don't enjoy the actual singing.

I gather you're saying that a symphony is a specific work performed by an orchestra, in which case I shouldn't refer to the music they're playing in support of an opera as a symphony. If that's what you mean, then okay, I stand corrected.

[Dinsdale]

I gather you're saying that a symphony is a specific work performed by an orchestra

Uhm...

A "symphony" is a specific type of work (albeit very broad in scope) performed by a...

symphony.

Although the terms are diluted -- all symphonies are orchestras, but not all orchestras are symphonies. An orchestra can be of limited instrumentation, to meet the "letter-of-the-law" definition of "symphony," full instrumentation is required -- winds, strings, percussion, and bass. Depending on which instrumentation is present/lacking, smaller versions can be called "symphonic band," or if you're really feeling dorky, a "chamber orchestra," although that term has generally come to represent "chamber music," which are essentially abbreviated symphonies (which are generally in multiple movements, much like Nick's posts).

The people playing instruments at an opera are members of an "orchestra."

Again, the terms have morphed, and there isn't much cut-and-dried to it, except that operas aren't symphonies.

[Mikey]

Modern symphonic (or philharmonic) orchestras generally employ 100 or more musicians.

Operas are generally scored for, and get by with, a much smaller ensemble. More like a chamber orchestra.
Otherwise those hideous voices would probably be completely drowned out.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I could actually do without the operatic voice. Maybe that means I'm lacking in culture, but I've never enjoyed that type of singing. Love the symphony beneath the voice; could do without the voice.

I felt the same way until I listened to J. Ralph - The Illusionary Movements of Geraldine and Nazu. Great shit.

[Mikey]

I gather you're saying that a symphony is a specific work performed by an orchestra

Uhm...

A "symphony" is a specific type of work (albeit very broad in scope) performed by a...

symphony.

Although the terms are diluted -- all symphonies are orchestras, but not all orchestras are symphonies. An orchestra can be of limited instrumentation, to meet the "letter-of-the-law" definition of "symphony," full instrumentation is required -- winds, strings, percussion, and bass. Depending on which instrumentation is present/lacking, smaller versions can be called "symphonic band," or if you're really feeling dorky, a "chamber orchestra," although that term has generally come to represent "chamber music," which are essentially abbreviated symphonies (which are generally in multiple movements, much like Nick's posts).

The people playing instruments at an opera are members of an "orchestra."

Again, the terms have morphed, and there isn't much cut-and-dried to it, except that operas aren't symphonies.

A good start, but not quite correct.

A sympony is a piece of music.
An orchestra is a group of musicians.

Symphonies and other pieces of music (concerto, etc.) are played by orchestras.

Other names for smaller ensembles:

Chamber orchestra
String quartet (2 violins, viola, cello)
String quintet (can have 2 violas or 2 cellos, or one double bass)
Sometimes a solo instrument is added as in flute with string quartet, or piano with string quartet.

[Screw_Michigan]

Stop, Mike. You're confusing me.

[Mikey]

Every
Good
Boy
Does
Fine

[Dinsdale]

A sympony is a piece of music.
An orchestra is a group of musicians.

OK, now we're confused.

Sin,
San Francisco Symphony
Oregon Symphony
Boston Syphony
et. al.


But again, the terms have become warped/diluted/regionalized/whateverthefuck. You're interpretation is just particularly skewed.


Sin,
Dude who used to play in a youth symphony

[Dinsdale]

Every
Good
Boy
Does
Fine

I think you meant to say:

Every
Good
Boy
Deserves
Fudge (in the FACE)


Except on my end of the risers, it's "Good Boys Deserve Fudge Always (and all children eat grapes).

[Van]

Dins, if you think the group of musicians playing the music are called the symphony, then what were you laughing at?

Love the symphony beneath the voice

I'm saying I love the "band" beneath the voice. Though they're not playing an actual symphony, I love their playing. You're agreeing that a symphony isn't only a specific piece of music, but that it's also another name for the orchestra.

Meh. I hate opera singing, though I love the music.

[Dinsdale]

You're agreeing that a symphony isn't only a specific piece of music, but that it's also another name for the orchestra.

No. It's another name for a "symphonic orchestra."

Just drop it. Leave this technical stuff to those who don't see Yngwie Malmstein as the pinnacle of "classical music," OK?

[Mikey]

A sympony is a piece of music.
An orchestra is a group of musicians.

OK, now we're confused.

Sin,
San Francisco Symphony
Oregon Symphony
Boston Syphony
et. al.


But again, the terms have become warped/diluted/regionalized/whateverthefuck. You're interpretation is just particularly skewed.


Sin,
Dude who used to play in a youth symphony

You might want to look up the definition of the word.

Symphony
1 : a consonance or harmony of sounds <night was a symphony of sounds -- Guy Fowler>
2 a : an instrumental musical passage in a vocal composition b : SINFONIA 1 c : an instrumental movement in a choral work <the Pastoral Symphony in Handel's Messiah> d : an elaborate instrumental composition usually in sonata form for full orchestra e : a work of similar proportions for organ f : SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA
3 a : consonance or harmony of color (as in a painting) b : a pictorial composition or other arrangement marked by consonance or harmony of color
4 : something that in its harmonious complexity or variety suggests a symphonic composition

OK, I'm wrong but I'm right. The "Symphony" that you're talking about is basically an abbreviation of "symphony orchestra".

Like you said, the whole thing's gotten kind of murkey.

[Van]

Dins, you haven't even contradicted me. You're simply dancing around semantics while once again trying and failing to suck your own dick.

Fact of the matter is that by definition I wasn't even incorrect in saying that I enjoy the symphony beneath the singing.

Symphony
1 : a consonance or harmony of sounds <night was a symphony of sounds -- Guy Fowler>
2 a : an instrumental musical passage in a vocal composition

You lose.

[R-Jack]

What makes you think he failed?

[Dinsdale]

You lose.

OK then.


I suggest you quit wasting your time here then, and get on the horn and start correcting all of those outfits that refer to themselves as "symphonies"...


Dumbass.

Google was not kind to you.

[Dinsdale]

Fact of the matter is that by definition I wasn't even incorrect in saying that I enjoy the symphony beneath the singing.

Fact of the matter is...

Just stop.

If you're refering to enjoying the band that's playing the music, it's an "orchestra." If you're enjoying the music being played for the people singing on stage, it's called a "score," like any other musical.

It sure the fuck ain't a "symphony."

[Van]

You're quite charming when you contradict yourself.

[PSUFAN]

A sympony is a piece of music.

Stop LYING

[Van]

Todd, you routinely request things like K.C. and the Sunshine Band - and no, people, I'm neither joking nor exaggerating about that - so pardon me if I don't concern myself too whitehot fuck much with your opinions on the technical skill of Gabriela's right hand, which is considerable.

[LTS TRN 2]

Maria Ewing was no ordinary soprano, or woman. Her daughter is the bonafied bonable British hottie, Rebecca Hall

(Bonafied)


Not only was her interpretation of the sixteen-year-old pheromone howling JP's extremis done to a T, the music of Strauss here reaches a watershed moment in the history of Western music. Perhaps the libretto by Oscar Wilde deserves a closer consideration..

http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/acto ... a_hall.jpg

Just dig it

[mvscal]

So there's two of them. Not that that's a bad thing...or that you would care seeing as how neither one of them have cocks (or balls, SM).

[smackaholic]

You lose.

OK then.


I suggest you quit wasting your time here then, and get on the horn and start correcting all of those outfits that refer to themselves as "symphonies"...


Dumbass.

Google was not kind to you.

Yes, symphony orchestras do refer to themselves as symphonies, but, the word itself, used in this case is technically an adjective. Orchestra is the noun.

Symphony is a noun when refering to a piece of music.

Mikey has attempted to pound this into your skull, but has failed apparently.

[smackaholic]

smackaholic is going to hunt you down and kill you, then punch you in the face, then kill you again.

nahhh. i wouldn't kill turd. life is punishment enough for this sad pompous shitstain

I'm not blown away by anything Rodrigo does. He's certainly competent, but he doesn't seem to be anything special. 'Generic' comes to mind. I am however pretty damn impressed by Gabriela's right hand.

why are you so impressed vannie? i'll bet it's because the jew told you to be

I shot you those two clips simply because they're easily accessible songs. I've heard other things from them that were more intricate and varied - and more purely flamenco - but the main thing that always grabs me when I see them is that right hand of hers.

that's funny, because i have this recurring dream where gabi grabs me with that very same mystical right hand.

[smackaholic]

Indeed, and it's a benefit of her petite hand. The basic law of physics which bestrides all of sports also attends various aspects of playing instruments like guitar--namely, the amount of force (strength) required to move an object increases exponentially to the weight. So, the ability of such full sized primates as Segovia or Julian Bream to play that dazzling whisking right-hand rhythm is about that of Shaq to do a single pull-up.

don't forget that other benefit of petite handed chicks. they make your junk look bigger, although i doubt there's a petite enough female hand on the planet to pull this illusion off for you turd.

as for your attempt to go all mikey with physics explanations, nice try, but, small size doesn't make her hand magic, talent and lots of practice do it. there are plenty of large pawed dudes out there that are blindingly fast with their strumming.

having a small hand does limit play with the left hand. it doesn't matter a bit with the right.

[Dinsdale]

Even the biggest dipshits on this board (sup TVO) bear out the "blind squirrel/nut" theory, and occasionally demonstrate the ability to make some sort of statement that almost appears to be correct...


But not ol' Nicky. Whenever dude casts misfortune upon the rest of us by making contact with his keyboard, the idiocy flows like wine.

[LTS TRN 2]

Sure, Dins, and this is one of of your 20,000 opinions?

You pathetic little child, you're just like B-juice--lots of tiny pesty snipes, without even a semblance of backing anything up--or showing any basic curiosity, etc. What a fraud!

Anyways, there's no argument as to the young woman's right hand technique. No one is suggesting she doesn't practice regularly. The fact of her petite hand being the central factor in her flamenco strumming is similarly obvious. A man can do it as well, but it's tougher--and a large-handed man can't do it in that fashion at all. So what? Do any of you guys actually know anything--or care--about music, etc? And I don't mean Bon Jovi.

Look, I realize I left the wrong link on my previous post.

HERE'S the scene where the fun gets funner! :D

(guitarists: learn this chord progression!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge_nJptS ... re=related