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Since your guys are tearing it up in the NFL draft I have to ask one thing. How the fuck did you guys suck so bad with all NFL caliper talent? Was it the Iowa curse? 27 first rounders=Outback Bowl?

same exact thing considering 50 of iowa's 85 first-rounders stand on the sidelines for most of their games.

Believe the Heupel wrote:

campinfool wrote:Since your guys are tearing it up in the NFL draft I have to ask one thing. How the fuck did you guys suck so bad with all NFL caliper talent? Was it the Iowa curse? 27 first rounders=Outback Bowl?

I totally get it. I mean, losing your not-first-round-QB is a great excuse for you guys to cry and pule for a couple of months about how things would have been different in the Rose Bowl had only Colt been able to play.

Losing our #1 overall in the draft QB in the first game of the season totally shouldn't translate into losses for us. At all. Or a first-round TE. Or losing so many guys on the OL that you start a walk-on against Texas.

Nah, that doesn't have an effect at all.

By the way, Bradford, McCoy, and Gresham? All from OK. But OU gets all of its talent from Texas.

Didn't help in 2008.....just sayin'. But if excuses make you feel better, have at it. What hurt was losing your line and it almost got Bradford killed. Congrats to Sam for being the first pick and heading to a team with a team with a shitty oline. I hope he does well because he is totally a class guy. All that money will ease of the pain of the beating he is going to take next year and the year after that.

McCoy will be an impact player for TB. He is good, really good. Williams better make friends with McNabb as he is protecting his blindside. Gresham is the best TE in the draft and Cincinnati got a steal. I think that all the players from OU that were drafted in the first round will do well.

Earl Thomas is an impact player too. He is going todo well in Seattle. Funny how Petey passed on Mays and took Earl instead. Colt will go to Cleveland in the 2nd. He can watch for a year and will be starting next year. Kindle may have a microfracture and may miss some time. I bet he is gone in the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. The player I am most excited about is Lamarr Houston. He will go in the 2nd and I hope the Texans get him.

But even with all these drafted players, it seems that Mack has learned how to coach.

Double Post....

Believe the Heupel wrote:You mean 2008, when OU won the Big 12 and went to the national championship game?

Yeah and lost to Texas who didn't have the 4 First round picks. OU also lost to Florida. I never understood what was so impressive about beating OU by 10 on a neutral field? I also love how you left Trent Williams off you list considering he is from Texas.

So since Bob Stoops came to OU in 1999 there have been 12 OU players selected in the 1st round of the Draft.

Sam Bradford from Oklahoma
Gerald McCoy from Oklahoma
Trent Williams From Texas
Jermaine Gresham from Oklahoma
Adrian Peterson From Texas
Davin Joseph From Florida
Jammal Brown From Texas
Mark Clayton From Texas
Tommie Harris From Texas
Andre Woolfolk From Colorado
Roy Williams From California
Stockar McDougle From Florida

Yeah, 3 out of 12 are from Oklahoma and the state with the most picks is Texas.

Texas has had 15 1st Round picks in the same time frame
Earl Thomas
Brian Orakpo
Michael Griffin
Aaron Ross
Vince Young
Michael Huff
Cedric Benson
Derrick Johnson
Roy Williams
Marcus Tubbs
Mike Williams
Quentin Jammer
Leonard David
Casey Hampton All from Texas
Ricky Williams From California

14 out of 15 from Texas. Big difference

I love this new Texas is "the little engine that could" posture UT fan has embraced. UT, with largest budget in the galaxy is stitching together winners with 1 star players, 8 man backups from Dalhart, and the coaching wizardry of Mack "Mister Football" Brown. Not quite as developed as the Tom Osborne era NU myth of the walk-on from western Nebraska who ate tumbleweeds growing up and waited his turn, spending 23 hours a day in the weight-room juicing (err, lifting) so the Big Red could triumph on sheer virtue alone....but it's got some promise.

i just wanted to get this in before UT fan moves into the circular argument phase of resetting 2008 for the next 8 pages.

instead, let's jump ahead......when Colt McCoy gets hurt it's bad luck (and UT was STILL better); when Sam Bradford gets hurt it's UT knocking him out of the game (that's football, tough luck Paperclips).

Believe the Heupel wrote: See, the world "all" (at least to a person who's more intelligent than a spastic baboon) shows that the thesis being disproven is that every talented player on the OU roster comes from Texas. By listing three first-round draft picks from the state of Oklahoma, I have disproven the claim. Whether OU has any talented players from Texas is irrelevant.

I don't recall making any excuses for losing to Texas in 2008. OU got outplayed. I do recall a bunch of "WAHHH! IT WAS IN LUBBOCK ON THE LAST PLAY! WE WOULDA WON IF A FRESHMAN COULD CATCH THE BALL!" excuses for losing to a team that OU later beat like a drum on an Egyptian war galley.

Excuse me for questioning your intelligence, but, OU gets the majority of their players from out of state. The 3 tops picks under Stoops didn't come until THIS YEAR. No one has ever said that all of the talent at OU comes from Texas but when your roster is made up of 53 kids from 1 state, the odds of having some talent drafted increases. That being said, The majority of players on OU's roster last year were from Texas. So the odds of them being drafted are higher than the 6 kids from Kansas. Just the facts.

Texas fans bitching about a Freshman SS dropping an interception with :08 seconds left is the same as OU fan stating that Texas only won because Bradford was injured and so was Gresham. Injuries and dropped balls are part of the game.

King Crimson wrote:
instead, let's jump ahead......when Colt McCoy gets hurt it's bad luck (and UT was STILL better); when Sam Bradford gets hurt it's UT knocking him out of the game (that's football, tough luck Paperclips).

Colt got knocked out and we still had a chance with 3 minutes left. We didn't get it done. Sam Bradford had a brand new line that was not as good as the 2008 line. He was blitzed and the new guys missed it and he got hurt. I think it was BYU that got him. When Kindle got him it was the result of the earlier injury.

None of that matters now. Both QB's are going to the NFL and both are going to do well.

Harvdog wrote: That being said, The majority of players on OU's roster last year were from Texas.

factually, this is untrue. count for yourself. I've posted this 150 times but OU's 2000 NC team had almost 70% of kids from Oklahoma. So, again, not a majority from Texas.

http://soonerstats.com/football/players ... sonid=2009

and, as I've posted another 150 times...recruits overwhelmingly tend to go to schools within 500 miles of their high school. statehood is far less a determining factor. a lot of Texas is closer to Norman than it is to Austin or B/CS. This is info from a longtime Switzer assistant who also did a stint at Arkansas and a friend of my uncle (OU letterman and longtime HS coach in OK and TX).

OK State has about 60% of their roster from Texas, why don't you guys complain about that?

Harvdog wrote:No one has ever said that all of the talent at OU comes from Texas

See: =bitch, Vito

Crack all the jokes you want, but only 4 schools had more players drafted this weekend than Iowa. And Iowa had a very small senior class. We'll easily have more players drafted next year. Go see who Kiper has as his 5th best prospect for 2011.

Nobody develops NFL talent like Iowa does. NOBODY. Other teams may send more guys to the NFL, but those aren't players they had to do much developing with- though I will say Stoops does a fantastic job as well at actually developing NFL talent. OU has had quite a few players that weren't big shot recruits coming into college actually end up as high NFL picks.

Mack Brown, Urban, Tressel, etc.........they recruit NFL players. Iowa DEVELOPS NFL players.

M Club wrote:same exact thing considering 50 of iowa's 85 first-rounders stand on the sidelines for most of their games.

Michigan becoming Iowa, and Iowa becoming Michigan has made you cranky lately. You need to chill out, dude. Don't worry, club, you'll get used to losing. As a die-hard Kansas City Royals fan, I can assure you that you just learn to accept it eventually. The Royals used to be the Michigan of baseball- granted, I don't remember that time.

TheJON wrote:The Royals used to be the Michigan of baseball- granted, I don't remember that time.

This made me smile.

Harvdog wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote: See, the world "all" (at least to a person who's more intelligent than a spastic baboon) shows that the thesis being disproven is that every talented player on the OU roster comes from Texas. By listing three first-round draft picks from the state of Oklahoma, I have disproven the claim. Whether OU has any talented players from Texas is irrelevant.

I don't recall making any excuses for losing to Texas in 2008. OU got outplayed. I do recall a bunch of "WAHHH! IT WAS IN LUBBOCK ON THE LAST PLAY! WE WOULDA WON IF A FRESHMAN COULD CATCH THE BALL!" excuses for losing to a team that OU later beat like a drum on an Egyptian war galley.

Excuse me for questioning your intelligence, but, OU gets the majority of their players from out of state. The 3 tops picks under Stoops didn't come until THIS YEAR. No one has ever said that all of the talent at OU comes from Texas but when your roster is made up of 53 kids from 1 state, the odds of having some talent drafted increases. That being said, The majority of players on OU's roster last year were from Texas. So the odds of them being drafted are higher than the 6 kids from Kansas. Just the facts.

Texas fans bitching about a Freshman SS dropping an interception with :08 seconds left is the same as OU fan stating that Texas only won because Bradford was injured and so was Gresham. Injuries and dropped balls are part of the game.

Yeah because it's not like of the five Heismans Oklahoma players have won three of them weren't from Oklahoma and a fourth from New Mexico... :doh:

TheJON wrote:Crack all the jokes you want, but only 4 schools had more players drafted this weekend than Iowa. And Iowa had a very small senior class. We'll easily have more players drafted next year. Go see who Kiper has as his 5th best prospect for 2011.

Nobody develops NFL talent like Iowa does. NOBODY. .

sounds to me like Iowa ought to be better than mid-tier Big 10.

Harv? "majority"? not seeing you respond after someone posted facts and not your usual BS.

http://soonerstats.com/football/players ... sonid=2009

2nd best program in the conference over the last decade = mid-tier?

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TheJON wrote:2nd best program in the conference over the last decade = mid-tier?

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Or 4th best, based on wins and winning percentage. But yeah, whatever.

ESPN ranked us 2nd best program of the decade. Overall wins isn't the only thing. 2 co-championships, 2 BCS Bowls and 4 Top 10 national finishes. 5 Top 20's. Averaged 8 wins per season in the decade. Outside of tOSU, the other 2 teams that won a couple more games don't have the overall resume.

We spent the majority of this decade as the 2nd best program. Remember, the decade began in rebuilding mode. Since 2002, no other program is even close to Iowa other than Ohio State. And, again, going into next year the clear cut top 2 teams are Iowa and tOSU.

In the 1990's we were a middle tier program. But to say we are right now is as dumb of a statement as could be. Iowa is the 2nd best program in the Big-10 right now. You can't argue that.

King Crimson wrote:

Harv? "majority"? not seeing you respond after someone posted facts and not your usual BS.

http://soonerstats.com/football/players ... sonid=2009

The definition of "Majority" according to webster's is: : the excess of a majority over the remainder of the total or: the greater quantity or share <the majority of the players come from Texas>

Looking at the Sooner website it shows 45 players from Texas. Oklahoma has 33. Therefore, the majority of the players on the OU roster are from Texas. Even someone as dumb as yourself can figure this out.

TheJON wrote:ESPN ranked us 2nd best program of the decade. Overall wins isn't the only thing. 2 co-championships, 2 BCS Bowls and 4 Top 10 national finishes. 5 Top 20's. Averaged 8 wins per season in the decade. Outside of tOSU, the other 2 teams that won a couple more games don't have the overall resume.

We spent the majority of this decade as the 2nd best program. Remember, the decade began in rebuilding mode. Since 2002, no other program is even close to Iowa other than Ohio State. And, again, going into next year the clear cut top 2 teams are Iowa and tOSU.

In the 1990's we were a middle tier program. But to say we are right now is as dumb of a statement as could be. Iowa is the 2nd best program in the Big-10 right now. You can't argue that.

Michigan had 2 Co-championships, 1 outright championship, 3 BCS bowl appearances. Since 2003, they had 1 Co and 1 outright, and 3 BCS bowl appearances. All while having more wins and a better winning percentage. So when you say "Since 2002, no other program is even close to Iowa other than Ohio State." you really mean "I'm completely wrong, go ahead and pile on me.", then yeah, props.

And you comparing the Royals to Michigan is fucking laughable. The more apt comparison would be BYU. One title in the '80s, a whole lot of nothing ever since.

The Royals were one of the best organizations in baseball from the early 70's to the mid to late 80's. Michigan has just 1 title in about 40 years. But they've consistently been winning a lot of games and conference titles- much like the Royals were doing.

Iowa vs Michigan in the decade of the 2000's was very close. There's arguments for both. I think both teams had almost identical records. Michigan went to 1 more BCS Bowl but did not win any if I'm not mistaken (pretty sure the 1999 season was last time they won BCS Bowl). Iowa had 4 Top 10 finishes and I think UM only had 1 or 2. Both teams went to 8 Bowl games.

But since 2002 it really hasn't been close between these teams. The decade as a whole it is very close.

You're not really trying to argue Iowa is just a middle tier Big-10 program right now, are you?

TheJON wrote:But since 2002 it really hasn't been close between these teams. The decade as a whole it is very close.

You're not really trying to argue Iowa is just a middle tier Big-10 program right now, are you?

No, I'm arguing this:

TheJON wrote:2nd best program in the conference over the last decade

TheJON wrote:We spent the majority of this decade as the 2nd best program.

TheJON wrote:Since 2002, no other program is even close to Iowa other than Ohio State.

None of these quotes is accurate. I see what you're doing with the "since 2002". You get rid of two of Iowa's worst seasons while still including Michigan's two worst. Yet in that time frame, they have more outright championships than Iowa, and just as many total championships. And more BCS games. And they finished in the top 10 3 times.

Iowa put together a good run in the 2000's, but they weren't by far the second best team. It's very, very debatable.