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Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:37 am
by Mikey
In San Francisco you can no longer sit or lie (lay?) on the sidewalks.
This repudiates many of the long held beloved principles (principals?) that I learned growing up in the Bay Area.
What are we now to do?


Arrest these miscreants!!!

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Marty, your "thoughts?"



No block party in San Francisco
Haight-Ashbury merchants tired of aggressive panhandling in the birthplace of the 'Summer of Love' back an ordinance that would ban sitting or lying on sidewalks citywide from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.

By Lee Romney, Los Angeles Times

May 10, 2010

Reporting from San Francisco

Tourists flock to San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury neighborhood for people like the poem guy, who sets up a folding chair and typewriter and composes on demand in exchange for a little cash. Then there's the edgy puppet guy and the countless street musicians who lounge on the sidewalk with a change cup nearby.

But the birthplace of the "Summer of Love" has also become a magnet for homeless youths who have blocked merchants' doorways and intimidated passersby with aggressive taunts, unpredictable dogs and even a few assaults.

The behavior, decried as thuggish by Mayor Gavin Newsom, is the catalyst for a proposed ordinance that would ban sitting or lying on sidewalks citywide from 7 a.m. to 11 pm.

"We're dealing with behavior creating real and chronic conditions where progressive liberals have had enough," said Newsom, who recently moved to Ashbury Heights, a warren of handsome Victorians above Haight Street. "People with earrings in their nose and tattoos on their neck are saying, 'We've got to do something.' "

A host of cities nationwide — including Los Angeles — have similar laws, many less sweeping. Seattle's ordinance withstood a 1st Amendment challenge in federal court. Portland's was struck down under Oregon law. But in this dense and politically liberal city, the proposal has sparked a debate on civil rights, civil behavior and the Haight's changing character.

A Board of Supervisors committee is scheduled to take up the ban Monday. The panel could reduce its scope, but Newsom has vowed to take it to the ballot if lawmakers water it down or reject it.

At a recent hearing, Public Defender Jeff Adachi showed photos of tourists sitting on suitcases and kids resting. If the law were equally applied as the Constitution requires, he contends, they and countless others — the poem guy and the puppet guy included — would risk violation daily.

Adachi and others contend that the discretion police say they intend to use leaves too much leeway for profiling of the down-and-out.

Opponents cite existing laws that police could use to crack down on blocked sidewalks, aggressive panhandling or assaultive behavior.

"If there are a few bad apples behaving inappropriately, they should deal with that," said Tommi Avicolli Mecca, who played his guitar on Castro Street in a citywide protest last month to oppose the ordinance. "But to take away the civil rights of everyone in the city is not the way to go."

The Democratic Party Central Committee recently voted to oppose the ban, and the Planning Commission noted that it is at odds with the city's stated commitment to encourage the use of sidewalks and converted parking spaces as gathering zones.

Proponents counter that police use discretion daily with infractions like jaywalking and can be trusted to enforce this ordinance selectively.

The ordinance calls for an initial warning. A first offense is an infraction, and repeat violations are misdemeanors that can earn offenders up to $500 in fines and 30 days in jail. Parks, plazas and public benches remain legal resting places.

Assistant Police Chief Kevin Cashman said warnings have largely reduced problems in other cities with comparable laws, and he expects to cite people "very, very rarely."

He said existing laws have "shortcomings," with some requiring the aggrieved party to step forward — problematic because of fears of retaliation — and others demanding too much police time in an era of tight budgets.

History has shadowed the debate. A similar law was used in the 1970s to target gay men. And law-and-order Mayor Frank Jordan tried to pass a virtually identical one in 1994. The late San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen, noting that it aimed to keep "the street people on their feet and moving briskly in all directions," called it "a bummer." Voters rejected it.

But in a citywide poll conducted in February for the Chamber of Commerce, 71% of respondents said they would support an ordinance that "would prohibit individuals from sitting or lying on the sidewalk, blocking or harassing pedestrians during specific hours." The ordinance under debate deals only with sitting and lying.

On a recent day, a homeless man named Randall gathered with friends on Masonic Street in the historic neighborhood.

"We're all from broken homes, there's reasons why we're here," he said, adding that most of them cause no trouble. "All these rich people in these houses live in the Haight-Ashbury because it used to be cool. But now they don't want us here anymore."

To Ted Loewenberg, president of the Haight-Ashbury Improvement Assn., that about sums it up. The Haight is now one of the city's most affluent neighborhoods, he said, with a growing number of homeowners and families — "real people living real lives."

The passive panhandlers of yesterday were well-tolerated, but recent arrivals have gathered in groups, demanding money and berating those who refuse or give too little, he said.

On a blue-sky Saturday, Loewenberg strolled past one young man in a group, holding a sign asking for "cash, grass and hash." Loewenberg stepped around them without incident.

The ordinance, he said, would allow officers to "on the spot look at people who are more problematic than others and disperse a situation that could be problematic."

Therein lies the concern.

"What bothers me is because people feel intimidated by certain people in the street — based on appearance — that we have to make sitting illegal," said Colleen Rivecca of the Homeless Youth Alliance, which serves many of the Haight Street kids.

In Los Angeles, a citywide ordinance applies from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. Police warn the downtown homeless at 6:01 a.m. and cite or arrest those who refuse to move, said Deputy City Atty. Songhai Miguda-Armstead. Her office said 193 misdemeanor cases were filed last year, and 29 so far this year. Police have also issued numerous citations handled directly by the courts.

Miguda-Armstead says social workers sometimes enter the booking room after arrests and offer youths a chance to accept services instead, such as shelter or addiction counseling. Newsom said he believes San Francisco's ordinance would be a similar stick to prod resistant youths into meaningful programs.

Some merchants feel they have no other option.

Kent Uyehara, a fourth-generation San Franciscan, has run his FTC skateboard shop here for 15 years. Lately he has dealt with youths blocking his doorway, swearing at him and failing to clean up after their dogs.

"This is a tolerant neighborhood, but why should we be tolerant of people who don't want to respect anyone else?" Uyehara asked. "We're not extreme ideologues. We're just San Franciscans who love this city."

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:45 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
$500 in fines
I like to think of it as rent.

-Toolio

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:00 am
by mvscal
You can still shit on them though, right?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:08 am
by Dinsdale
In Portland, it's now 6-8 feet depending on sidewalk width.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:12 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
Rumplewife better not move to the left, or she's gonna get a mailbox full of invoices.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:13 am
by mvscal
"We're dealing with behavior creating real and chronic conditions where progressive liberals have had enough," said Newsom, who recently moved to Ashbury Heights, a warren of handsome Victorians above Haight Street. "People with earrings in their nose and tattoos on their neck are saying, 'We've got to do something.' "
Oh dear...people with nose rings are complaining?!? Yes, of course, we absolutely must do something now.

When tax paying business owners in suits were complaining they were told to go fuck themselves, right?

What a pathetic fucking joke of a city.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:48 am
by mvscal
Here's my suggestion, Tardd:

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One twitch of the finger and then...sweet release. Just like going home. You can do this.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:04 am
by mvscal
Assuming I had any such aspriations, I'm guessing they wouldn't subject to your approval.

Actually, if you were to "ban yourself from life," I think it would be a real feather in my cap as one of the best "moderators" ever, wouldn't you say?

Just put on a Great White cd, set your room on fire, kick back and suck down a slug. It's easy if you try...

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:11 am
by mvscal
DO IT, TARDD!! DO IT!!! You are a misshapen mongoloid with oedipal and pedophiliac tendencies. Spare your family further shame and tap that trigger, big guy. We're all pulling for ya.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:13 am
by mvscal
Toddowen wrote:And speaking of which...I thought I read where you confessed to wasting your nights away with a bottle of bourbon?
Uh no. Needless to say, you are hideously confused. Nothing like a high velocity lead pellet to shake out the cobwebs though, ay? Whaddya say, old boy?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:21 am
by Van
Dunno where mvscal's "misshapen" bit came from, but that one made me laugh out loud. I guess being a mongoloid isn't bad enough; no, he has to be misshapen too.

:lol:

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:49 am
by H4ever
Van wrote:Dunno where mvscal's "misshapen" bit came from, but that one made me laugh out loud. I guess being a mongoloid isn't bad enough; no, he has to be misshapen too.

:lol:


"Misshaen mongoloid..." Yambags, marble pouches, vapid fuckstain, etc. <------ exactely why I come here, mostly lurking, for years now.

Yeah...my wife thinks I'm crazy when I laugh out loud during an otherwise quiet evening at home.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:10 am
by mvscal
Toddowen wrote: Tard up your thread?
Go ahead and tard up your wallpaper with the contents of your malformed cranium. Why are you fighting it? It's inevitable and you know it.

Muzzle, mouth, tap, BANG...done. How easy is that?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:20 am
by mvscal
Van wrote:I guess being a mongoloid isn't bad enough;
Not at all. Mongoloids are some of the most happy, outgoing and well adjusted people you'll ever meet. Just don't get between them and food and you'll be perfectly safe.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:59 pm
by jiminphilly
How is .imatool going to sell his shitty sidewalk crap?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:52 pm
by Goober McTuber
Toddowen wrote:Yeah, tho. I spent the weekend in rememberance of good ol' Mom, and veiwing suggestive pics of Lazytown Stephanie. It's how I unwind.
I’m like, “What the fuck is Lazytown Stephanie”? So I google it. And it’s a children’s show featuring a pre-pubescent girl in a short skirt. Shocking that our resident pedophile would know all about this.

Tardowen, we all thought about our moms this past weekend. You’re just the only one who pictured his mom naked.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:01 pm
by Van
mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:I guess being a mongoloid isn't bad enough;
Not at all. Mongoloids are some of the most happy, outgoing and well adjusted people you'll ever meet. Just don't get between them and food and you'll be perfectly safe.
Baaaaaaaahhh...huh?

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Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:56 pm
by Moving Sale
Van wrote:Dunno where mvscal's "misshapen" bit came from, but that one made me laugh out loud.
From me. I bet you LOL when you read it in my post too.

How is mvskkkal's hairy Mexican ballsack treating you, you vapid cumglass?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:43 pm
by Goober McTuber
Moving Sale wrote:
Van wrote:Dunno where mvscal's "misshapen" bit came from, but that one made me laugh out loud.
From me. I bet you LOL when you read it in my post too.
Give me a fucking break. Not claiming to have come up with it, but I was using it at Honksville in the last century. The next time you intentionally make anyone LOL will be the first.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:06 pm
by Van
:lol:

Now TVO is claiming original ownership of a normal word in the English language!

:lol:

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:23 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Nice knowin' ya, Todd.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:08 am
by Mikey
Todd, are you seeking help?

You should be.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:11 am
by Screw_Michigan
Christ Almighty.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:15 am
by Van
Pretty sure she wasn't eighteen in some of those deleted pics, Todd. She looked closer to thirteen.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:59 am
by Goober McTuber
Tardowen showing his true colors? What a shocker.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:33 pm
by Mikey
Toddowen wrote:
Mikey wrote:Todd, are you seeking help?

You should be.
What's the pro-lum? She's eighteen. Soon to be nineteen, in fact.


It's just like you fukks to always assume the worst.
The "legality" of the pics is not the issue here.

The fact that you're a sick fuck is why you need to seek help.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:36 pm
by Moving Sale
Goober McTuber wrote: Not claiming to have come up with it, but I was using it at Honksville in the last century. The next time you intentionally make anyone LOL will be the first.
You really ARE a dumbass huh? I kinda thought it was troll job at first.

Van,
Now THAT is a strawman. I never said I was "claiming original ownership of a normal word in the English language." I said that mvskkkal got the idea to use the word from me. It was actually a test to see if you could be honest with yourself and others but you failed. Better luck next time.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:27 pm
by Goober McTuber
Right. mvscal got the idea to use the word from you. What a fucking world class tard you turned out to be.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:37 pm
by Moving Sale
Are you dumb on purpose?

"It was actually a test to see if you could be honest with yourself and others but you failed."

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:42 pm
by Goober McTuber
Moving Sale wrote:Are you dumb on purpose?

"It was actually a test to see if you could be honest with yourself and others but you failed."
Ironic that you put those two sentences in the same post.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:43 pm
by Van
:lol: :lol: :lol:
TVO wrote:mvscal got the idea to use the word from ME! ME, I tell you! ME!ME!ME! God DAMMIT but I loves me some ME!
So, The Vainglorious One, did this happen while he was ignoring you, and you were whining about him not responding to you?

Seriously, what on God's green Earth would ever give you the idea that a grown man needed you to show him the word 'misshapen'?

Your raging impotence is just fucking awesome. By all means, please, keep this shit up. You're on a roll!

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:55 pm
by Moving Sale
Again Van, forest trees forest trees. The part about me giving him the word was sarcasm. Only an idiot like you or goober would not (does not) get that. The point of the post (the part you missed or refuse to see) was the part about you sucking his dick and telling him how great he is when he does it and worrying more about my spelling when I do it. You are a nutsack-swinging fuckcloth. Got it?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:10 pm
by Van
Yep, I got it, TVO. You suck at admitting you're wrong, despite all the opportunities your existence as a urinal for this board has afforded you to hone your craft.

The part you fail to get is that we all have the same words at our disposal. Admittedly, some here have more words in their toolbox than others, but it's not the words themselves that matter; rather, it's how they're assembled.

Here's where it gets dicey for you...

You do a uniformly poor job of putting together words for your posts on this board. You aren't creative with them—excepting your peculiar penchant for combining things with 'fuck-' and 'douche-'—and you routinely mismanage them to an often comical degree of ineptitude.

On the other hand, your favorite vapid, racist fuckstick, mvscal, he's rather adept at using words to create funny descriptions. Not only does he usually manage to avoid your habitual malaprops but he goes that one step further by actually assembling his words in a manner that's intentionally entertaining.

'Intentionally' being the key difference, as you've become utterly incapable of being entertaining except for when you faceplant on your keyboard.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:26 pm
by Moving Sale
Van wrote: 'Intentionally' being the key difference, as you've become utterly incapable of being entertaining except for when you faceplant on your keyboard.
I posted almost the same thing as he did. Motivation has nothing to do with it even if you did know my motivation. mvskkkal is a stupid racist fuckstick. He is almost never right about anything. He is a coward and a fraud. YOU like him because you have the same inane sensibilities that he has. That is why you find him funny when he posts something and you don't find it funny when I do*. I'm not saying that that is not a natural reaction I'm saying that it is because you are so far up his ass you could walk back out for a mile and never see daylight. I don’t care if you like him and not me. You are a fucking tard so frankly I’m glad you don’t, but don’t try and sell this shit you are pedaling now.

* I KNOW this is true because I’ve posted shit under a troll you like and you have loved it when it is almost the same shit I post under this nic. Sucks being you huh?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:44 pm
by Van
I guess you're going to gloss over those occasions when I have applauded your funny comments posted under your normal nic.

As always, you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't descriminate as to giving out these things... :lol:

My worst 'enemies' on this board still receive my praise when they make me laugh, including you. The thing you fail to grasp is that I may not have seen your use of the word in some earlier post, and/or you may not have used it in an equally funny manner. Hell, maybe I just wasn't in the same mood then as I was when I read mvscal's post.

In any case, he frequently makes nearly everyone on this board laugh, whether friend or foe. You're so married to this recent crusade of being a bitter cuntsore of a contrarian that you're simply incapable of giving credit when credit is due. You never praise anybody or anything on this board, with your standard argument being that nobody here is worth your praise.

Pretty much, that means you're a miserable dick, and that's all it means.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:48 pm
by Mikey
You two remind me of my teenage kids.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:53 pm
by Mace
Mikey wrote:You two remind me of my teenage kids.
Your kids are gay flamers? Sorry.

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:57 pm
by R-Jack
Moving Sale wrote:* I KNOW this is true because I’ve posted shit under a troll you like and you have loved it when it is almost the same shit I post under this nic. Sucks being you huh?
Link?

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:00 pm
by Van
Mace wrote:Your kids are gay flamers?
:twisted:

Illuminated!

-Dins

Re: Blasphemy

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:08 pm
by Mace
Van wrote:
Mace wrote:Your kids are gay flamers?
:twisted:

Illuminated!

-Dins
I'm no expert on the subject but I'm pretty sure you can be gay without being a flamer.