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Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:58 pm
by Mikey
According to the US Chamber of Commerce, it's you and me...
“It is generally not the practice of this country to change the laws after the game,” said Tom Donohue, the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
“. . . Everybody is going to contribute to this clean up. We are all going to have to do it. We are going to have to get the money from the government and from the companies and we will figure out a way to do that.”
Donohue made his remarks during a roundtable with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor in Washington, D.C.
The event came at a time when the BP liability cap is coming under increasing scrutiny.
At present, BP’s liability bill is capped at $75 million.
That cap could be lifted, however, if the company is found to have acted with gross negligence or to have broken rules that led to the spills.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/0 ... eanup.html
According to the GOP, it's you and me...
So today I asked Boehner, "Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?" The shorter answer is yes.
"I think the people responsible in the oil spill--BP and
the federal government--should take full responsibility for what's happening there," Boehner said at his weekly press conference this morning.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010 ... -spill.php
Collective responsibility.
Ain't Socialism a wonderful thing?
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:58 pm
by indyfrisco
I think only people making $250k or more should pay for it.
-Obama
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:00 pm
by BSmack
IndyFrisco wrote:Spin, deflect, ignore
check
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:04 pm
by Screw_Michigan
IndyFrisco wrote:I think only people making $250k or more should pay for it.
-Obama
Why do you hate personal responsibility?
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:04 pm
by Mikey
IndyFrisco wrote:I think only people making $250k or more should pay for it.
-Obama
So you apparently think that all US taxpayers should pay for it equally?
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:12 pm
by indyfrisco
No, I think no taxpayers should pay for it. BP has something like 50 billion in cash/liquid assets, no? Let that well run dry first. They're only 1.5 billion into that now.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:10 pm
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
Gee... thanks for the URL. I just read the next sentence in the post you responded to.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:27 pm
by PSUFAN
As we all are beneficiaries of the extraction and utilization of petroleum, to varying degrees, we share responsibility in this. Meanwhile, BP clears almost 3 billion a month; the vast majority of this should be taken care of by them.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:44 pm
by mvscal
Toddowen wrote:How about they cap this well
That's what they were trying to do when it blew out, dumbfuck.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:01 pm
by trev
Celebrities should pay for it.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:49 am
by indyfrisco
PSUFAN wrote:As we all are beneficiaries of the extraction and utilization of petroleum, to varying degrees, we share responsibility in this. Meanwhile, BP clears almost 3 billion a month; the vast majority of this should be taken care of by them.
We are all beneficiaries of Tylenol, but if they mass produced a batch with cyanide in it killing many and causing mass hysteria, taxpayers should not pay a dime until the producer is run dry of cayshe.
Unless the government is the one extracting that crude, the People have no skin in the game and are not responsible for paying for it. I'd go as far to sy that if BP expendsall their assets to clean this up and goes bankrupt and there is still work to be done, tax the other Big Oil producers as a lesson.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:57 am
by Screw_Michigan
IndyFrisco wrote:PSUFAN wrote:As we all are beneficiaries of the extraction and utilization of petroleum, to varying degrees, we share responsibility in this. Meanwhile, BP clears almost 3 billion a month; the vast majority of this should be taken care of by them.
We are all beneficiaries of Tylenol, but if they mass produced a batch with cyanide in it killing many and causing mass hysteria, taxpayers should not pay a dime until the producer is run dry of cayshe.
Unless the government is the one extracting that crude, the People have no skin in the game and are not responsible for paying for it. I'd go as far to sy that if BP expendsall their assets to clean this up and goes bankrupt and there is still work to be done, tax the other Big Oil producers as a lesson.
You learn something new every day.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:06 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Tell the Israelis that the well is a secret "Gaza Freedom Tunnel".
They will seal it up (for free, too).
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:01 am
by PSUFAN
The truth is, Americans haven't been interested in fortifying the regulatory structure that would have been necessary to prevent this catastrophe - another area where we are all culpable. As things stand, we actually don't want BP or offshore drilling to fail, if we expect to maintain our very high standard of living. What will the economy of the gulf area look like without oil? Many, many small and medium sized businesses are supported by it.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:04 am
by indyfrisco
PSU,
And those small businesses are those who are "paying for it" now by loss of business. BP owes them. Not us. Not another bailout. We can't keep printing money AND stealing from those who earn it while cost of goods and services go up and companies are laying people off and no raises given.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:17 am
by mvscal
PSUFAN wrote:The truth is, Americans haven't been interested in fortifying the regulatory structure that would have been necessary to prevent this catastrophe - another area where we are all culpable.
The regulatory structure is just fine. The problem is that BP bought it. Just like they bought the White Hut. Onogroid's noser boy ballerina spent five years living in a house rent free with BP picking up the tab. They were exempted from just about every report, regulation and requirement there is.
This well was trouble from the get go and
everybody involved knew it. That's why BP's CEO cashed out a huge percentage of his options. It's why Goldman Sachs shorted BP just before the blowout. The criminal negligence involved goes
far beyond BP.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:05 am
by Moving Sale
mvscal wrote: Onogroid's noser boy ballerina spent five years living in a house rent free with BP picking up the tab.
Must you lie about everything?
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:42 am
by Diego in Seattle
mvscal wrote:PSUFAN wrote:The truth is, Americans haven't been interested in fortifying the regulatory structure that would have been necessary to prevent this catastrophe - another area where we are all culpable.
The regulatory structure is just fine.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:27 pm
by PSUFAN
Onogroid's noser boy ballerina spent five years living in a house rent free
Whom? I don't speak Hate Radio Polemic.
My statement has to to with POTUS administrations - this one and almost all previous - gladly humping it to the bank graft in hand amidst the dismantling of the regulatory structure for the benefit of a few industry piglets.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:32 pm
by mvscal
PSUFAN wrote:Onogroid's noser boy ballerina spent five years living in a house rent free
Whom? I don't speak Hate Radio Polemic.
Who not whom.
His chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:37 pm
by Dinsdale
mvscal wrote:The regulatory structure is just fine.
As long as the feds have the power to fine BP off the face of the earth, then yes, it's just fine.
I have a feeling that since BP has bought and paid for the American Government, it probably won't happen, but it'd be the right thing to do.
The "more regulation" crowd cracks me up. A head-up-their-asses lot, if ever there was one.
Newsflash, brainiacs -- shit was HEAVILY regulated. The tards you voted for just decided to sell off their stake in the "regulation."
We don't need more beauracracy. Just fine BP until they're dead and buried, and see if the next drilling outfit plays as fast and loose with safety as BP.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:05 am
by PSUFAN
We don't need more sham regulation. We need actual sensible regulation.
The "regulation is always a cuss word" folks crack me up. Since your boy Reagan, "regulation" has meant "lobby cash delivery service". What he succeeded in obscuring for you is that left unchecked, industry will take the cheapest road...every single time. That what they do...not because they are evil, but rather because they always seek to minimize cost. The check of regulation is always needed.
Industry has to be guided towards safety via regulation...not by Big Goverment, but by people who demand it of their government. First we need to recall that it is possible.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:53 am
by mvscal
PSUFAN wrote:We don't need more sham regulation. We need actual sensible regulation.
We
have sensible regulations. The problem is that process was corrupted and government officials routinely exempted BP from those sensible regulations.
Much like we
have sensible immigration laws and do not need any "immigration reform." We need to enforce the laws and regulations already on the books before we start dicking around with new ones.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:04 am
by mvscal
88 wrote:Regulation is what caused this mess in the first place. There are plenty of places to drill for oil that are not 5,000 beneath the Gulf of Mexico. But regulators put them off limits.
Pure bullshit. The reason they were drilling 5,000 feet down is because that is one of the largest deposits of oil on the planet.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:50 am
by Diego in Seattle
mvscal wrote:88 wrote:Regulation is what caused this mess in the first place. There are plenty of places to drill for oil that are not 5,000 beneath the Gulf of Mexico. But regulators put them off limits.
Pure bullshit. The reason they were drilling 5,000 feet down is because that is one of the largest deposits of oil on the planet.
Can't argue with that.
And it's not just the actual drilling where the oil industry is allowed to run amuck. Again, look at BP Cherry Hill, where five or six people died earlier this year.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:07 pm
by Truman
mvscal wrote:88 wrote:Regulation is what caused this mess in the first place. There are plenty of places to drill for oil that are not 5,000 beneath the Gulf of Mexico. But regulators put them off limits.
Pure bullshit. The reason they were drilling 5,000 feet down is because that is one of the largest deposits of oil on the planet.
You just made 88's point, mv.
Since Federal regs prohibit drilling in the shallower waters just off our Coast, BP and others have been forced to drill in less-than-ideal places such as the deep-water Gulf. With all the risk and great expense associated with deep water drilling, not to mention having to develop the technical know-how necessary to drill over a mile deep in the ocean floor, there better SURE be a shit-pot full of oil down there for them to even think about drilling.
Gotta admit, I'm missin' Cap'n Jack and the fresh shrimp and oysters he used to sell road-side on weekends. 'Fraid BP has put him out of business....
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:04 pm
by mvscal
Truman wrote:You just made 88's point, mv.
Since Federal regs prohibit drilling in the shallower waters just off our Coast, BP and others have been forced to drill in less-than-ideal places such as the deep-water Gulf.
Are you fucking retarded or something?
They're drilling there because there are
15 billion barrels of oil down there. That doesn't have anything to do with federal regulations on shallow water drilling.
The Deepwater Horizon rig, located 45 miles south of the Louisiana coastline, was attempting to exploit an oil field discovered in 2006, by a consortium of oil companies. The first well in this field, called the Jack well, was drilled in 7,000 feet of water, to a depth of more than 20,000 feet below the sea floor. It found a major field in a geological area called the lower tertiary trend. It is estimated that the formation may hold up to 15 billion barrels of oil, which could boost America’s reserves by 50 percent.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2010/0 ... the-waves/
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:24 pm
by Moving Sale
Dinsdale wrote: brainiacs -- shit was HEAVILY regulated.
You are dumber than a box of wet deck screws.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:28 pm
by Moving Sale
mvscal wrote: there are 15 billion barrels of oil down there.
The 20th Century called. They are intrigued.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:12 am
by PSUFAN
88 wrote:Regulation is what caused this mess in the first place. There are plenty of places to drill for oil that are not 5,000 beneath the Gulf of Mexico. But regulators put them off limits.
Regulation doesn't necessarily equal security or safety. The Food and Drug Administration regulates the living hell out of just about everything within its jurisdiction, but shit (literally) still ends up in the food supply.
This situation will go the way all disasters go. In response to a big disaster, a huge number of regulations will be enacted. The politicians will say they have taken care of the problem and that we are safe. And then things will go back to the way they were before the disaster. The big crater where the Twin Towers used to be ought to have told you that.
Well...I can't quibble with that.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:42 pm
by PSUFAN
I think Kevnic should pay for it all.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:38 pm
by Jerkovich
Notice how this discourse ended with that ignorant remark, ass bag.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:28 pm
by Derron
Toddowen wrote: Capitalism can still work, ya know.
Not if we can do anything about it, it won't.
Sin,
President Muslim Messiah and the Democratic Party.
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:56 pm
by Diego in Seattle
Derron wrote:Toddowen wrote: Capitalism can still work, ya know.
Not if we can do anything about it, it won't.
Sin,
President Muslim Messiah and the Democratic Party.
What's capitalism?
Sin,
President President Petzel Choker
Re: Who Should Pay For BP's Fuckup?
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:04 am
by Goober McTuber
Jerkovich wrote:Notice how this discourse ended with that ignorant remark, ass bag.
Apparently not, fuck-nozzle.