T1B

And you expected a reply ?

What's your question, SS?

Are you surprised at the incompetence of of our War On Terror? Does it occur to you that waging war on an abstract noun is nothing more than a bullshit premise for a permanent state of extremely expensive fear-mongering and catastrophic invasions of other nations? Gee, you're waking up. Too late. You might consider why the Muslim world actually hates us (pssssst...it's not because they hate our freedoms).

No, SS, it's because prior to 1948 the Middle East was populated by millions of Jews--real Middle Eastern Jews, not white Ashkanazis from Europe. And they lived throughout the various Middle Eastern nations among the Arabs, Persians, Bedouins and Berbers in peace and prosperity. In fact, about one third of Baghdad's population was Jewish prior to 1948. Then came the ZioNazi invasion and we've had sixty-plus years of geo-political instability, featuring massive aggression by the U.S. armed race-state experiment as it expands and maintains its utterly disgusting apartheid state model. It's doomed of course, but being a bunkered state of fanatics and hysterical criminals, it will no doubt cause all manner of hellish destruction and terror as it goes down. The entire debacle sucking our budget dry and causing the deaths of thousands of Americans--and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Afghans, and others, is ENTIRELY caused by our shameless and gutless support of the ZioNazi fake state.

Continue your Waking (even though it's basically too late.)

LTS TRN 2 wrote:You might consider why the Muslim world actually hates us (pssssst...it's not because they hate our freedoms).

They most certainly do. Shall I list them ?


Not saying your "reason" isn't plausible and probably carries some validity. But don't insult the people here who actually read the tripe put out by the very fucking for whom you've nominated yourself as "T1B's Apologist".

They don't like the liberal attitude Westerners have towards many things. And OUR conservatives are liberal compared to their notion of a "religious right".

So what are you saying, Tom? That I'm basically right, but the leaders of, say, Iran--oh but that "threat" is fake as well--okay, Saudi Arabia...but they're compliant as a schoolboy in a brothel....well, Syria--sure, that one-town sand trap is a threat--uh...allright, the Taliban in Afghanistan, damnit, that's a threat that we can't abide....

I mean , it just goes on and on.

What's your point about our "freedoms"?

Listen carefully, Tom: EVERY U.S. politician above the rank of mayor of a medium sized town must pass muster with the entity known as AIPAC, or they are viciously attacked and undermined in a variety of means--most of which they're not even aware of.

And that includes every single congressman and senator, president and cabinet.

Okay? That's where we're at in this country right now...as we are guided by all manner of lie, smear, and deception into a catastrophic attack on Iran.

Now stop faking it and wake the fuck up!

LTS TRN 2 wrote:You might consider why the Muslim world actually hates us

Or maybe they might want to consider why we hate them. That makes more sense seeing as how we have the bigger bombs.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:So what are you saying, Tom?

I think he is saying that you are a complete fucking idiot who does not know your ass from a pile of dog shit.

Listen carefully, Tom: EVERY U.S. politician above the rank of mayor of a medium sized town must pass muster with the entity known as AIPAC, or they are viciously attacked and undermined in a variety of means--most of which they're not even aware of.

Complete and total bullshit. Proof of your idiocy. Fuck off and die.

Derron, you're a no-trick pony. What's your dispute? That AIPAC screens American politicians and judges? Really? And...do you suppose that ONE person here or anywhere actually believes you or takes your bratty nonsense seriously?

Of course my assertion on AIPAC is verified up and down and has been for many years.

Develop some skills and stop being a bore.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Derron, you're a no-trick pony. What's your dispute? That AIPAC screens American politicians and judges? Really? And...do you suppose that ONE person here or anywhere actually believes you or takes your bratty nonsense seriously?

Of course my assertion on AIPAC is verified up and down and has been for many years.

Develop some skills and stop being a bore.

Good to see you don't dispute the fact that you ARE a complete fucking idiot. That is beyond dispute, and proved every time you post.

And your AIPAC or your ASSFUCK or whatever you call it, screens politicians above a small town mayor ?? Guess what..

Nobody gives a fuck !!

You mean robotic hillbilly losers like you don't care if some hysterical hyper-military race state experiment with two hundred or so illegal nukes is in fact screening all of our elected officials. Well, you should, unless you don't really care about America's future.

C'mon, humor us--tell us with a straight face that you actually believe Iran will start trying to nuke its neighbors unless it is attacked. C'mon, we need a laugh around here.

You can't dispute anything I've posted, and you don't even try. That's why you're a hillbilly loser, in short. Carry on.

I'm open to your suggestion LTS.

What are the criteria ? How are they screened ? Are they an arm of the Bilderberg Society ? Illuminati ? or what ?

I'm willing to hear what you have to say. Just say it, lay it out there, document your sources and present your argument.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:...illegal nukes...

That is a de jure assessment of nuclear arms proliferation.

There is nothing legal or illegal about nuclear weapons. You have them...or you don't.
If you have them, you claim they are legal. If anyone cares to dispute that fact, they can test it out in the court of glowing fireballs.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:You mean robotic hillbilly losers like you don't care if some hysterical hyper-military race state experiment with two hundred or so illegal nukes is in fact screening all of our elected officials. Well, you should, unless you don't really care about America's future.

C'mon, humor us--tell us with a straight face that you actually believe Iran will start trying to nuke its neighbors unless it is attacked. C'mon, we need a laugh around here.

You can't dispute anything I've posted, and you don't even try. That's why you're a hillbilly loser, in short. Carry on.

My response:

The Story of Chicken Little


"Chicken Little"" is a story for teaching courage.

Don't be a chicken little. Don't be afraid. The sky is not falling.

Characters

1. Narrator
2. Chicken Little / LTSTRN 2
3. Henny Penny
4. Ducky Lucky
5. Goosey Loosey
6. Turkey Lurkey
7. Villain: Foxy Loxy

Narrator: Chicken Little was in the woods one day when an acorn fell on her head. It scared her so much she trembled all over. She shook so hard, half her feathers fell out.

Chicken Little / LTSTRN 2: "Help! Help! The sky is falling! I have to go tell the king!"

Narrator: So she ran in great fright to tell the king. Along the way she met Henny Penny.

Henny Penny: "Where are you going, Chicken Little?"

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "Oh, help! The sky is falling!"

Henny Penny: "How do you know?"

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

Henny Penny: "This is terrible, just terrible! We'd better hurry up."

Narrator: So they both ran away as fast as they could. Soon they met Ducky Lucky.

Ducky Lucky: "Where are you going, Chicken Little and Henny Penny?"

Chicken Little/LTSTRN 2 & Henny Penny: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! We're going to tell the king!"

Ducky Lucky: "How do you know?"

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head."

Ducky Lucky: "Oh dear, oh dear! We'd better run!"

Narrator: So they all ran down the road as fast as they could. Soon they met Goosey Loosey walking down the roadside.

Goosey Loosey "Hello there. Where are you all going in such a hurry?"

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "We're running for our lives!"

Henny Penny: "The sky is falling!"

Ducky Lucky: "And we're running to tell the king!"

Goosey Loosey: "How do you know the sky is falling?"

Chicken Little/LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

Goosey Loosey: "Goodness! Then I'd better run with you."

Narrator: And they all ran in great fright across a field. Before long they met Turkey Lurkey strutting back and forth..

Turkey Lurkey: "Hello there, Chicken Little, Henny Penny, Ducky Lucky, and Goosey Loosey. Where are you all going in such a hurry?"

Chicken Little /LTSTRN 2: "Help! Help!"

Henny Penny: "We're running for our lives!"

Ducky Lucky: "The sky is falling!"

Goosey Loosey: "And we're running to tell the king!"

Turkey Lurkey: "How do you know the sky is falling?"

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

Turkey Lurkey: "Oh dear! I always suspected the sky would fall someday. I'd better run with you."

Narrator: So they ran with all their might, until they met Foxy Loxy.

Foxy Loxy: "Well, well. Where are you rushing on such a fine day?"

Chicken Little /LTSTRN 2, Henny Penny, Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey (together) "Help! Help!" It's not a fine day at all. The sky is falling, and we're running to tell the king!"

Foxy Loxy: "How do you know the sky is falling?"

Chicken Little / LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

Foxy Loxy: "I see. Well then, follow me, and I'll show you the way to the king."

Narrator: So Foxy Loxy led LTSTRN 2, Henny Penny, Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey, and Turkey Lurkey across a field and through the woods. He led them straight to his den, and they never saw the king to tell him that the sky is falling.

...

Screw you, Duhhron. Chicken Little is my shtick.

Sin,

poptart

Wrong, b-juice. Nukes are illegal when the nation or group has stolen them and won't admit they have them, and won't dare test them in the open, etc. In other words, when a group is sneaking around and locking up its own nuclear scientists who try to inform the world as to the simple fact of the program's existence (not actual data and specifics). Well, that's illegal and immoral and depraved. Got it?

The chicken little bullshit is unreadable--and unread.

As for AIPAC having a strangle hold on American government, I'll assume you're living in a coal mine. Here's a few basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQv5YSg ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXkb7Xm2 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-q9b59uxY

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Wrong, b-juice. Nukes are illegal when the nation or group has stolen them

Israel didn't steal any nukes, you stupid douche guzzling shitheel. They didn't sign the non-proliferation treaty either just like Pakistan and India. I don't see you prattling on about their "illegal" nukes.

Just shut the fuck up.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
The chicken little bullshit is unreadable--and unread.

Of course you don't read it, a good actor has it committed to memory.

Don't be afraid. The sky is not falling.

Chicken Little/ LTSTRN 2: "I saw it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears, and part of it fell on my head!"

And because LTSTRN 2 errrrr Chicken Little says so, and backs up his take with " You Tube" proof it must be so...Bwwaaaahaaa

Don't try and dismiss "youtube" just for providing the vid. Try disputing a 16-year congressman. Try disputing a former president. Try disputing Amy Goodman.

What do you offer?

Nothing whatsoever except bratty playground taunts. That's it. That's all you've got. Pathetic.

As for Israel's illegal nukes, let's hear from Henry Kissinger, circa 1968..

In July 1969, while the world was spellbound by the Apollo 11 mission to the moon, President Richard M. Nixon and his close advisers were quietly fretting about a possible nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Their main worry was not a potential enemy of the United States, but one of America’s closest friends.

“The Israelis, who are one of the few peoples whose survival is genuinely threatened, are probably more likely than almost any other country to actually use their nuclear weapons,” Henry A. Kissinger, the national security adviser, warned President Nixon in a memorandum dated July 19, 1969.

Israel’s nuclear arms program was believed to have begun at least several years before, but it was causing special fallout for the young Nixon administration. For one thing, President Nixon was getting ready for a visit by Prime Minister Golda Meir of Israel, who was also in her first year in office and whose toughness was already legendary.

Should Washington insist that Israel rein in its development of nuclear weapons? What would the United States do if Israel refused? Perhaps the solution lay in deliberate ambiguity, or simply pretending that America did not know what Israel was up to. These were some of the options that Mr. Kissinger laid out for President Nixon on that day before men first walked on the moon.

The Nixon White House’s concerns over Israel’s weapons were recalled in documents held by the Nixon Presidential Library that were released today by the National Archives. They provide insights into America’s close, but by no means problem-free, relationship with Israel. They also serve as a reminder that concerns over nuclear arms proliferation in the Middle East, currently focused on Iran, are decades-old.

The papers also allude to a campaign by friends of W. Mark Felt, who was then the second-ranking F.B.I. official, to have him succeed J. Edgar Hoover as director of the bureau in 1972. President Nixon, of course, did not take the advice, choosing L. Patrick Gray instead, and Mr. Felt later became the famous anonymous source “Deep Throat,” whose Watergate-scandal revelations helped to topple the president.

There are also snippets about Washington’s desire to manipulate relations with Saudi Arabia, so that the Saudis might help to broker a peace in the Mideast; discussion of possibly supporting a Kurdish uprising in Iraq; and a 1970 incident in which four Israeli fighters shot down four Russian Mig-21’s over eastern Egypt, even though the Israelis were outnumbered two-to-one in the battle.

But perhaps the most interesting material released today, and the most pertinent given the just-completed Mideast peace conference in Annapolis, concerns Israel and its relations with its neighbors, as well as with the United States.

“There is circumstantial evidence that some fissionable material available for Israel’s weapons development was illegally obtained from the United States about 1965,” Mr. Kissinger noted in his long memorandum.

One problem with trying to persuade Israel to freeze its nuclear program is that inspections would be useless, Mr. Kissinger said, conceding that “we could never cover all conceivable Israeli hiding places.”

“This is one program on which the Israelis have persistently deceived us,” Mr. Kissinger said, “and may even have stolen from us.”

Israel has never officially acknowledged that it has nuclear weapons, but scientists and arms experts have almost no doubt that it does. The United States’s reluctance to press Israel to disarm has made America vulnerable to accusations that it is a preacher with a double standard when it comes to stopping the spread of weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East.


Of course I could bounce you idiots around like basketballs all day long, but you really bore the shit out me.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:

Of course I could bounce you idiots around like basketballs all day long, but you really bore the shit out me.

Of course you could ....but you keep coming back and posting these obscure leftist takes and then scream "score board" !

Psssttt..guess what ?..no body gives a fuck about your takes !

And speaking of boring..I deleted that entire Kissinger quote with out reading one fucking word of it..

LTS TRN 2 wrote: blah, blah, blah...

Cite the law which Israel allegedly broke when developing their nuclear program or shut the fuck up.

A clue: Things you don't like are not necessarily illegal.

Here, Avi, run this through yer Limpdick flow chart..

“There is circumstantial evidence that some fissionable material available for Israel’s weapons development was illegally obtained from the United States about 1965,” Mr. Kissinger noted in his long memorandum.

And, Derron, I guess you, what, just totally surrender? No big surprise, but wow, what a butterball!

Some vague mumbling about "circumstantial evidence" from 41 years ago is the best you can do? Which law was broken? Please be specific.

Really, Avi? A no-take phony like you--who's been discredited and thrashed on every issue--is prepared to dismiss the memoir of Kissinger? His direct assertion?

Fuck you, you pathetic creep.

Which law was broken? And what is this alleged "circumstantial evidence"? It should be no trouble to present it for our consideration, right?

Well, if you're implying that secretly developing nuclear weapons systems is NOT illegal, then why are Limpdickians like you getting your panties in a wad over Iran allegedly doing the same thing. The problem of course, as the good Dr. Kissinger pointed out is the same...

One problem with trying to persuade Israel to freeze its nuclear program is that inspections would be useless, Mr. Kissinger said, conceding that “we could never cover all conceivable Israeli hiding places.”


You see, Avi, if a group is sneaking about in the manner of rat-like gangsters, well they're probably up to no damn good, right?

What's your point again? No nuke inspections for Israel and Iran? Just Israel? C'mon, be clear for once in your bunkered life. :wink:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, if you're implying that secretly developing nuclear weapons systems is NOT illegal,

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT. They aren't in violation of anything other that whipping you into a bizarre, sexual psychosis.

Martyred wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, if you're implying that secretly developing nuclear weapons systems is NOT illegal,

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT.

And Iran is.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, if you're implying that secretly developing nuclear weapons systems is NOT illegal,

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT.

And Iran is.

Do you have a point?

That means their nuclear program is subject to international inspection/verification and weapons programs are flatly illegal.

Does that clear things up for you?

mvscal wrote:That means their nuclear program is subject to international inspection/verification and weapons programs are flatly illegal.

Does that clear things up for you?

They don't have a weapons program. Even the Israelis admit that.

Do you know what being a signatory to the NPT entails, you dolt? There are no facilities "under lock and key". Iran even offered "additional protocols" to ensure compliance.

If you want to talk about fear of Iran's "breakout capability", I'll entertain that.

Martyred wrote: They don't have a weapons program.

Yet they are making high enriched uranium which is not used in for power plants. Care to explain?

Even the Israelis admit that

Link?

Do you know what being a signatory to the NPT entails, you dolt?

Do you? Obviously not. Let me help you out here:

Article II

Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to receive the transfer from any transferor whatsoever of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or of control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; not to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices; and not to seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

Article III

1. Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Agencys safeguards system, for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfillment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. Procedures for the safeguards required by this article shall be followed with respect to source or special fissionable material whether it is being produced, processed or used in any principal nuclear facility or is outside any such facility. The safeguards required by this article shall be applied to all source or special fissionable material in all peaceful nuclear activities within the territory of such State, under its jurisdiction, or carried out under its control anywhere.

2. Each State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to provide: (a) source or special fissionable material, or (b) equipment or material especially designed or prepared for the processing, use or production of special fissionable material, to any non-nuclear-weapon State for peaceful purposes, unless the source or special fissionable material shall be subject to the safeguards required by this article.

3. The safeguards required by this article shall be implemented in a manner designed to comply with article IV of this Treaty, and to avoid hampering the economic or technological development of the Parties or international cooperation in the field of peaceful nuclear activities, including the international exchange of nuclear material and equipment for the processing, use or production of nuclear material for peaceful purposes in accordance with the provisions of this article and the principle of safeguarding set forth in the Preamble of the Treaty.

4. Non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty shall conclude agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency to meet the requirements of this article either individually or together with other States in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Negotiation of such agreements shall commence within 180 days from the original entry into force of this Treaty. For States depositing their instruments of ratification or accession after the 180-day period, negotiation of such agreements shall commence not later than the date of such deposit. Such agreements shall enter into force not later than eighteen months after the date of initiation of negotiations.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote: They don't have a weapons program.

Yet they are making high enriched uranium which is not used in for power plants. Care to explain?

Your idea of "highly enriched" and the rest of the planet's definition of "highly enriched" are two different things.

Do you know the figure as a percentage that uranium needs to be enriched to, so that it may be considered "weapons grade"?

I do.

I doubt you do.

This has nothing to do with a current weapons program and everything to do with the existential threat of a "breakout capability".

Oh yeah, the article you posted? Iran is in violation of none of it.
Go pound sand.

Link me to a report that Iran has violated the IAEA Safeguards Agreement, faggot.

I'll even take evidence from you own State Department.

I'm waiting.

Okay, b-juice, but just because the ZioNazis didn't sign an otherwise binding (to international law) agreement doesn't alleviate the fact that they stole the nukes, developed them illegally, tried to sell them illegally, continue to act in every illegal manner imaginable, and just flaunt their total disregard for any compliance with anything but their own demented race-state agenda... and, well, your limp caveat is dead in the water.

But you're right of course about the total fake hysteria concerning Iran. Carry on.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:...they stole the nukes, developed them illegally, tried to sell them illegally, continue to act in every illegal manner imaginable.

Link?

No problem. Here's the link. Read it and try to get your head out of your already sore butt.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:No problem. Here's the link. Read it and try to get your head out of your already sore butt.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

As payment for Israeli participation in the Suez Crisis of 1956, France provided nuclear expertise and constructed a reactor complex for Israel at Dimona capable of large-scale plutonium production and reprocessing.

The End.

You're done.

mvscal wrote:Yet they are making high enriched uranium which is not used in for power plants. Care to explain?

Glow-in-the-dark wristwatches?

mvscal wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:No problem. Here's the link. Read it and try to get your head out of your already sore butt.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

As payment for Israeli participation in the Suez Crisis of 1956, France provided nuclear expertise and constructed a reactor complex for Israel at Dimona capable of large-scale plutonium production and reprocessing.

The End.

You're done.

Well, no...not at all...what part of this whole thing don't you get?

Israel used delay and deception to at first keep the United States at bay, and later used the nuclear option as a bargaining chip for a consistent American conventional arms supply.

It's not only the illegal manufacture of nukes, but the astonishing maliciousness in exploiting them to their "allies"..

Quit running and just admit it: Israel is the most duplicitous and sleazy nation in the world, period.

Keeping state secrets isn't illegal, dumbfuck.

But stealing nukes and attempting to sell them on the black market sure is. Whose side are you on?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ar-weapons

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