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Good stuff..Ken Burns and crew are working overtime to repair and realign America's love and devotion to its true sport.

Q: Is Barry being unceremoniously thrown under the bus? :?

A: Of course..but....at what cost?...

Think carefully before pretending to answer...

He makes out that poor Barry was not happy that McGwire and Sosa were getting all this adulation. This was the rationale for him to "roid up" and out do them in home runs ? Spare me the sob story. Barry couldn't carry the jock straps of Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, etc..

Wolfman wrote:He makes out that poor Barry was not happy that McGwire and Sosa were getting all this adulation. This was the rationale for him to "roid up" and out do them in home runs ?

Yes, it was. Idiot.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Wolfman wrote:He makes out that poor Barry was not happy that McGwire and Sosa were getting all this adulation. This was the rationale for him to "roid up" and out do them in home runs ?

Yes, it was. Idiot.

You've got to be the most obtuse motherfucker here. He's not questioning what rationale Bonds had on 'roiding, but rather, whether or not it was valid.

Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

smackaholic wrote:Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

Given the fact there was not a weight training cultrue in those days, all of those players may have ended up a bloated mess.

Their numbers were all enhanced by speed anyway.

smackaholic wrote:Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

Mays spent most of the 1952 season (he only played 34 games and hit 4 HR) and all of 1953 in the service. He came back and hit 92 in the next two seasons so figure he might have hit 80 more if he had played. That would have put him at around 740.

Mikey wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

Mays spent most of the 1952 season (he only played 34 games and hit 4 HR) and all of 1953 in the service. He came back and hit 92 in the next two seasons so figure he might have hit 80 more if he had played. That would have put him at around 740.

That's true, and where would Ted Williams have ended up on the HR list if he had not served in WWII and Korea?

Roach wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Good stuff..Ken Burns and crew are working overtime to repair and realign America's love and devotion to its true sport.

Q: Is Barry being unceremoniously thrown under the bus? :?

A: Of course..but....at what cost?...

Think carefully before pretending to answer...

I give up. But are the jews involved?

No one has produced any clear photos of Hank Greenberg 'roiding up or attempting to fix the World Series. He was a class act, so don't try and smear him.


Batter up!


Barroid, however, is another gangster entirely. Seriously, I've not seen such loyalty among a made man's minions since Vincent "the chin"Gigante.

Yeah, gimmie some fuckin' peanuts and crackerjacks


Imagine a trainer doing over a year in the slammer without ratting anyone out. Wow. How much do you suppose Barroid is compensating him?

Did Barry change his phone number? What's up?

Mikey wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

Mays spent most of the 1952 season (he only played 34 games and hit 4 HR) and all of 1953 in the service. He came back and hit 92 in the next two seasons so figure he might have hit 80 more if he had played. That would have put him at around 740.

yup, willie would have easily surpassed the babe.

ted's service impact was greater though, partly because of the length of it, partly because, especially with WWII, it was right smack in the middle of his best years.

the thing that is so amazing about hank's numbers is that dude never really had any great single season ones, but, he had a whole shitload of all most great ones.

rack the hell out of all pro ball players that hung up their cleats to serve.

Good point, smackie, and as the Rocket gets fit for a cell, we can salute the actual Greatest Pitcher in MLB history, Bob Feller, and apply your idea: players who served in morally defensible wars should have their stats pro rated for the seasons they sacrificed. Absolutely right and proper. And with "Rapid Robert" (worst nickname ever), he should be properly appropriated about...120 wins.

By the power invested in my right arm..I declare this fastball..in session

dude held the record for most hit batters and was clocked at 107 mph. How the fukk did he not kill someone?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Good point, smackie, and as the Rocket gets fit for a cell, we can salute the actual Greatest Pitcher in MLB history, Bob Feller, and apply your idea: players who served in morally defensible wars should have their stats pro rated for the seasons they sacrificed. Absolutely right and proper. And with "Rapid Robert" (worst nickname ever), he should be properly appropriated about...120 wins.

Stupid take.
1. He lost three and a half seasons to the service. If you think that adds up to 120 wins, you suck at math like it's a glory hole.
2. The war took some prime pitching years, true. It's safe to say that those years on not logging 300+ innings helped him pitch longer into his career. If people are going to talk about what would've been if they didn't serve, you have to account that their decline would've started earlier, especially for pitchers. There is no way to accurately prorate stats, because the inactivity probably affected the second half of his career.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Wolfman wrote:He makes out that poor Barry was not happy that McGwire and Sosa were getting all this adulation. This was the rationale for him to "roid up" and out do them in home runs ?

Yes, it was. Idiot.

I don't know how much Barry's desire for adulation came into it, but it's well known that he began his relationship with Balco because he wanted to take a run at the HR record.

OCmike wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Wolfman wrote:He makes out that poor Barry was not happy that McGwire and Sosa were getting all this adulation. This was the rationale for him to "roid up" and out do them in home runs ?

Yes, it was. Idiot.

I don't know how much Barry's desire for adulation came into it, but it's well known that he began his relationship with Balco because he wanted to take a run at the HR record.

Sosa and McGwire weren't half the player Barry was pre-roids. The thing that sucked is that he became as one dimensional as they were once he got on the juice.

I don't know if adulation is the right word, but it was almost obvious Barroid didn't like how McGuire and Sosa were showing him up (as in best player in the game) so he got on the juice. Pretty simple.

And spot-on take by R-Jack. He was the best player in the game for about a decade pre-joice.

R-Jack wrote:

OCmike wrote:
I don't know how much Barry's desire for adulation came into it, but it's well known that he began his relationship with Balco because he wanted to take a run at the HR record.

Sosa and McGwire weren't half the player Barry was pre-roids. The thing that sucked is that he became as one dimensional as they were once he got on the juice.

Yep. He was a legit triple crown threat every year before the drugs. Stupid choice. He went from the most feared hitter in baseball to a hr-hitting punchline.

smackaholic wrote:Wonder what kinda numbers a roided up hank aaron or willie mays would have produced? Gotta add atleast a hundred HRS to each, IMO.

Of course a roided up don drysdale mighta got a few more fast balls past them. A roided up bob gibson would have ended up doing time for murder 1 after killing a few mofos who made the mistake of crowding the plate.

A ted williams not preoccupied with killing enemy fighter pilots for the most productive years of his career would have 800 dingers. Toss in roids? maybe a thousand.

Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

How about a sober Mantle with no death wish?

a sober mantle not playing on a seriously jacked up knee for his entire career would have put up some pretty amazing numbers as well. dude was a physical freak. we're talking almost ucan't BIG here. wonder if scott has any posters of the mic up on his wall to GHJO to?

Even on said fucked up knee, the guy was one of the best ball players of all time. Sober him up and let him know that he would live past 40, and the guy could have put up unheard of numbers.

R-Jack wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Good point, smackie, and as the Rocket gets fit for a cell, we can salute the actual Greatest Pitcher in MLB history, Bob Feller, and apply your idea: players who served in morally defensible wars should have their stats pro rated for the seasons they sacrificed. Absolutely right and proper. And with "Rapid Robert" (worst nickname ever), he should be properly appropriated about...120 wins.

Stupid take.
1. He lost three and a half seasons to the service. If you think that adds up to 120 wins, you suck at math like it's a glory hole.
2. The war took some prime pitching years, true. It's safe to say that those years on not logging 300+ innings helped him pitch longer into his career. If people are going to talk about what would've been if they didn't serve, you have to account that their decline would've started earlier, especially for pitchers. There is no way to accurately prorate stats, because the inactivity probably affected the second half of his career.

Actually four seasons, but yer right, 120 is way too high. But a good 80 wins is realistic. And the prorating is based on principle, not practicality.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Actually four seasons, but yer right, 120 is way too high. But a good 80 wins is realistic. And the prorating is based on principle, not practicality.

70 is a more reasonable and logical number. And then subtract at least 20 wins at the end of Feller's career to account for the wear and tear of those 3 and a half seasons. He very likely would have been a 300 game winner without the war. But to think that he would have come close to tracking down Warren Spahn is insane. A simple look at Feller's post 1948 stats shows that he wasn't an inning eater after that season. After 48, Feller never again broke the 250 inning mark. Meanwhile, Spahn tossed 250+ innings for 15 out of 16 years with thirteen 20 win seasons. Even if you credit Feller with 4 extra 20+ win seasons, he's still 3 behind Spahn.

smackaholic wrote:Imagine what a sober roided up babe ruth would do. scary to just think about it.

Not to mention that Ruth spent the first four seasons of his career as a pitcher. Make him an outfielder for those seasons, and you probably add about 140 HR's to his career total. And that's with him as the fat drunken physical wreck he was.

Alright, Barroid never flunked a drug test, will walk on the idiotic fed perjury charges, and has never fired a gun in a club or blew a DUI...so....how does Bud the slug Selig and the alien midget Bob Costas presume to play arbiter--armed with fellow alien midget Ken Burn's slick flick--and deny His Glaring Imperiousness entry to Cooperstown?

Total bullshit!

MLB completely endorsed the "chicks dig long balls" resuscitation of the game in the 90's and everyone tacitly agreed to look the other way and enjoy the show.

So....everyone with the appropriate numbers and stature goes in. And no asterisks.

smackaholic wrote:a sober mantle not playing on a seriously jacked up knee for his entire career would have put up some pretty amazing numbers as well. dude was a physical freak. we're talking almost ucan't BIG here. wonder if scott has any posters of the mic up on his wall to GHJO to?

Who hit the fly ball that Mantle was chasing down when Dimaggio called him off and Mantle caught his spikes in a sprinkler head trying to throw on the brakes?

mays?

smackaholic wrote:mays?

Yep

Roy Halladay just threw a no hitter in the first game of the Philles run at the NL flag. Rack him. The year of the no-hitter is not over yet.

smackaholic wrote:mays?

Yep. Who would have thought that three of the greatest centerfielders of all time would all be involved in a play that caused serious injury to one of them.

Mace wrote:

smackaholic wrote:mays?

Yep. Who would have thought that three of the greatest centerfielders of all time would all be involved in a play that caused serious injury to one of them.

no shit. all three are on anyones top 10 list, some top five. mays is without a doubt, number one on my list.

i remember my gramps talking about dimaggio. he said the most remarkable thing about him was that he never looked remarkable. he said joe made it look so fukking easy because of his amazing ability to get a bead on where the ball was going. dude never had to make diving catches because he was there 5 minutes before the ball landed.

i really envy his stretch of baseball watching, some of it live. he was born in 1898 in NJ, died in 1994. He saw ruth, dimaggio, gehrig, mantle, etc... live. Moved to connecticut in '48 and had the misfortune of becoming a sox fan, so he saw williams too.

Mays would get my vote as the greatest player ever.....most certainly the greatest I've seen in person, and Williams the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

You seen me? I broke every record of my godfather, Willie Mays. I never flunked a drug test...sure, I'm a retired investor living on a pension...but I'm the best...and you know it...