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The full list in now posted at nfl.com here.

http://top100.nfl.com/?module=HP_cp2

Mean Joe not making the Top 10 was a fucking travesty.

Why is it a travesty? Much like any fucking list, it's largely based upon opinions... not facts.

You are allowed to (and encouraged) to formulate your own opinion(s) and to back up your take(s) with statistical and historical data.

Furthermore, you would have been okay with him being #10, but "all the way down" at #13... he's being totally disrespected and underappreciated?

Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

There is no argument. You don't get a say.

Quit whimpering and be happy that the steel curtain got two more people on that list.

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

Let's first start with who you would move out of the top 10.

jiminphilly wrote:Let's first start with who you would move out of the top 10.

Any non-Steeler.


OH YEAH!

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:Let's first start with who you would move out of the top 10.

Any non-Steeler.


OH YEAH!

Rack.

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

The 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens defenses are laughing heartily at that statement. Child please.

I think Favre being ranked ahead of Brady is a travesty. Who would you rather have with the game on the line?

Neely8 wrote:I think Favre being ranked ahead of Brady is a travesty. Who would you rather have with the game on the line?

That depends whether or not you're playing for the other team. See. That's the thing about Brett Favre; he's not afraid to throw an interception. That's one of the things I most admire about him.

jiminphilly wrote:

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

Let's first start with who you would move out of the top 10.

Don Hutson is the most logical candidate. He was a great player in his time, but also padded his numbers horribly playing against a bunch of F-4s in the 40s. He was great, but not Top 10 great.

Neely8 wrote:I think Favre being ranked ahead of Brady is a travesty. Who would you rather have with the game on the line?

John Elway or Joe Montana.

KC Scott wrote:a better question would be could Brady have led another team to 3 Super Bowls or were the Pats just that stacked as a team?

Instead of wandering around aimlessly in Fantasyland, how about you just deal with the facts? I don't recall him throwing any crushing INT in a huge game. Ever. Favre has routinely pissed his pants with the game on the line. That is a fact, not opinion.

He has a career record of 117-35. Brady led a game-winning drive to break a tie or take the lead in the fourth quarter of each of the Patriots’ three Super Bowl victories, becoming the only quarterback in NFL history to lead three such game-winning drives in the Super Bowl.

He's 6-1 this year even though they have a no-name defense. They are categorically not stacked and yet, they have the best record in the league. And they're undefeated after the Moss trade.

5 Pro Bowls. 2 time Super Bowl MVP. All he does is win.

I am sorry, what was your dumb fucking question again?

Tony Gonzalez??? many great players looking up at him on that list that should be viewing him from behind.

BSmack wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

Let's first start with who you would move out of the top 10.

Don Hutson is the most logical candidate. He was a great player in his time, but also padded his numbers horribly playing against a bunch of F-4s in the 40s. He was great, but not Top 10 great.

Think again.

Hutson is EASILY top 10 all-time.

Paul wrote:

BSmack wrote:Joe Green was the best player on the best defense that ever played the game. End of fucking argument.

The 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens defenses are laughing heartily at that statement. Child please.

They both had great years, but the Steel Curtain dominated an entire DECADE.

poptart wrote:Think again. Hutson is EASILY top 10 all-time.

He was a top 10 draft dodger who fattened up his numbers against a league that was so lacking players that the Steelers and Eagles combined one year to form the Steegles. And he was one of the two best receivers in an era when the forward pass was as common as anorexia in Kansas City. That doesn't make him one of the ten best players of all time and it sure as hell doesn't make him better or more worthy than Mean Joe Greene.

BSmack wrote:The full list in now posted at nfl.com here.

http://top100.nfl.com/?module=HP_cp2

Mean Joe not making the Top 10 was a fucking travesty.

I see that the fans agree with you that 13 is not the right spot for Greene.

I see LT made the list twice.

How cool is that?

Mikey wrote:

BSmack wrote:The full list in now posted at nfl.com here.

http://top100.nfl.com/?module=HP_cp2

Mean Joe not making the Top 10 was a fucking travesty.

I see that the fans agree with you that 13 is not the right spot for Greene.

They also didn't include John Hannah and they voted Anthony Munoz 80th. What's your fucking point?

BSmack wrote:He was a top 10 draft dodger who fattened up his numbers against a league that was so lacking players that the Steelers and Eagles combined one year to form the Steegles. And he was one of the two best receivers in an era when the forward pass was as common as anorexia in Kansas City. That doesn't make him one of the ten best players of all time and it sure as hell doesn't make him better or more worthy than Mean Joe Greene.

Yes, that era was not a forward passing era - Hutson and GB were inovators and trailblazers of the forward pass game.

The competition was so awful in that time and yet it was only Hutson who COMPLETELY obliterated the league.

If it was so easy, others should have also done so.

At any rate, all a player can do is handle the competition that is in front of him in his own era.

This guy not only handled, but he DESTROYED in PHENOMENAL fashion.

Hutson is easily one of THE most dominant players ever, and he belongs higher on the list than #9, imo.