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Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:39 am
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
Hawkins is gonzo. Official announcement tomorrow...

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_16559630

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:21 am
by At Large
I think he finally forced their hand when it seemed pretty obvious that he wants his son to break the career yardage record by slinging it all over the field against Kansas. I obviously didn't see the game, but the article I read said that in the fourth quarter instead of trying to run out the clock, the offense would snap the ball with 20 seconds left on the 40-second clock.

He may go down in history as the worst hire CU has ever had, or at least since Fairbanks.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:26 am
by At Large
Before Saturday's epic collapse at Kansas, CU didn't have to fire head football coach Dan Hawkins until season's end. The Buffs weren't going anywhere anyway. They just had to hit the ground running with a new coach the next day.

Since KU's astounding 35-point fourth quarter, a toxic level of suspicion has infected the CU program, and now Hawkins' motives will be questioned with every play call until his pink slip is delivered.

"The negativity has just grown to a point where it's a challenge on many fronts," a CU insider told me Sunday. "The factors are lining up pretty clearly right now."

The Hawk Watch is no longer about which week. It's about which day. It could be today. And it ought to be.

Let me quickly add that the suspicion infecting the program requires a highly uncharitable interpretation of circumstantial evidence. Neither Hawkins nor his son, Cody, the team's starting quarterback, has given us any reason to question his integrity over the past five years. In the case of Cody, who has handled a difficult situation with more maturity than many of us would have at his age, the suspicions seem particularly cruel.

Nevertheless, inexplicable play-calling and the elder Hawkins' refusal to explain much of anything have raised two suspicions that could do the program long-term damage:

• In search of a rationale for head-scratching play-calling that kept giving the ball back to Kansas during Saturday's nightmarish fourth quarter, some fans are openly wondering whether Dan Hawkins' top priority is winning or getting his son the CU career passing record on his way out the door.

• In search of a rationale for allowing Hawkins to continue coaching as his program disintegrates around him, it's been suggested that CU can't fire Dan because Cody is the Buffs' only healthy quarterback and might walk out with his dad.

Insiders assure me that Cody's possible reaction to his father's firing is only one of many considerations and not a major one. Personally, I think there is zero chance that Cody quits on his teammates with three games remaining and no other experienced quarterback on the roster, no matter what happens with his father.

And frankly, even if he did, an inexperienced quarterback playing out the string on a lost season would be better for CU than the perception that Hawkins & Son are holding the university hostage.

The choice is not to keep Dan around for Cody's benefit or burn freshman Nick Hirsch man's redshirt. Hirsch man isn't ready anyway. If worse comes to worst, the Buffs could go with freshman walk-on Justin Gorman or emergency quarterbacks Scotty McKnight or Kyle Cefalo, receivers who played some quarterback in high school. It wouldn't be pretty, but hey, the Buffs aren't exactly painting a Monet as it is.

Similarly, the only evidence that Dan Hawkins kept calling pass plays in the fourth quarter at Kansas to pad his son's stats is Hawkins' refusal to offer another explanation. Even insiders wondered why Cody Hawkins was taking snaps with 20 seconds left on the play clock and throwing long, dangerous out patterns while frittering away a 28- point lead.

With the younger Hawkins now third on the CU career passing list behind Joel Klatt and Kordell Stewart, some fans jumped to a predictable conclusion. The elder Hawkins can protest that this is unfair, but it's the price he pays for building his program around his son.

In fact, there's another explanation that goes to Hawkins' uneven recruiting and wacky play-calling rather than his integrity. It's not just that he's down to one healthy quarterback. He's also down to one healthy running back. The 5-foot-6, 175-pound Rodney Stewart had a great game Saturday, but after 27 carries for 175 yards and three touchdowns, he was out of gas when the Buffs needed to run clock at the end.

Hawkins could have explained this if he hadn't abandoned his commitment to public accountability weeks ago. He cut off his postgame radio interview with KOA after two questions and two cliches. He cut off his postgame session with reporters after a slightly longer but no more edifying exchange.

It is a measure of the elder Hawkins' current standing that recruiting failures and oblivious play-calling are the more flattering explanation for his team's unraveling. If he is permitted to coach the final three games, every pass thrown by his son will be suspect, and the passing yardage record, should Cody get it, will be tainted.

Better to let the younger Hawkins finish under an interim coach whose motives are above suspicion. Better to end the melodrama now, before it spirals further out of control.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:30 am
by At Large
I see CU fans have been busy. From Chuck Fairbank's Wikipedia page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Fairbanks
While considered by many to be the worst football coach in the history of CU football, Dan Hawkins has since taken that label from Fairbanks.
:lol:

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:36 am
by Danimal
Congrats Mike, now CU can move forward again.

I'd go after Mike Leach.

If the price has to be moderate I'd say beat the rush and hire Okie State's OC Holgerson, IMO he's a star in the making. Malzahn would also be a good option but he'd probably ask almost as Leach.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:38 am
by TheJON
About time they put you out of your misery, Mike!

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:24 pm
by King Crimson
i don't believe that Hawkins was trying to get the record for Cody. DH has proven time and time and time again that he's too pompously stupid to understand that conventional wisdom is actually the right play for _a reason_. Moreover, 9/10 Cody Hawkins starts is typified by the complete jettison of the run game at some point (usually after about 2.5 quarters) once D's begin to understand that Cody is out of the gun for a reason (too small to take a direct snap and be an effective drop back passer)....so, the Buffs inevitably become one-dimensional. Cody in the gun, throwing on every down.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:34 pm
by At Large
New coach suggestion: Sean Watson

Oh please take him off our hands. Just when I like him, he pulls some really stupid crap. Something's working great? Let's not try it again for two quarters. 3rd and short and you've been gashing a team for 5 yards a pop in the wildcat? Throw a short pass.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:33 pm
by Cuda
Whoever the new coach ends up being- please don't keep Brian Cabral around. I was once a big fan of his, but he's been there long enough to show that he either doesn't want to be head coach, or isn't up to the job. Either way, it's time for him to move on too. He's a nice guy, but eventually there comes a time for nice guys to move along.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:47 pm
by King Crimson
Cuda wrote:Whoever the new coach ends up being- please don't keep Brian Cabral around. I was once a big fan of his, but he's been there long enough to show that he either doesn't want to be head coach, or isn't up to the job. Either way, it's time for him to move on too. He's a nice guy, but eventually there comes a time for nice guys to move along.
Cabral is a nice guy....but the days of Butkis Awards and Matt Russell and Jashon Sykes are over. he's been beating the odds as a retained assistant coach for longer than anyone could expect...and without any move up the coaching ladder to even coordinator as you say. he may a great position coach, but still. player and assistant for Mac, retained by Neuheisel, Barnett, and Hawkins. you just don't see that retention anywhere else when there are coaching changes.....let alone 3 times. Cabral interviewed and didn't get the Northern Colorado HC job....so, anyone thinking he's *at all* a viable candidate for the CU job is facing UNC leftovers. I put Jon Embree in this camp as well....passed over for coordinator jobs before at CU and UCLA....so, HC?? a career TE coach?

i think if there is any heat on Bohn and he's not offered the KU job.....the more heat on Bohn's job, the greater the chance of a McCartney return. why? because with Bohn's job in the balance, bringing in Mac shields him from the criticism with boosters and donors. for a time. i'm not at all convinced Bohn can conduct a successful *national* coaching search. he hasn't yet at CU. he's hired Hawkins, and 3 people from up or down 1-25 (Air Force--Bzdelik; Lappe--Metro State; Boyle--UNC). His track record at SDSU and Idaho are also questionable at best. the guy is a salesman and a "PR" guy...

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:02 pm
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
I'm OK with Cabral finishing out the season as interim HC, but he's clearly not the long-term answer. I wouldn't mind if he was retained as LB coach. Even if they're not winning national awards, CU's LBs have been one of the only bright spots of the Hawkins tenure.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:19 pm
by Cuda
King Crimson wrote: i think if there is any heat on Bohn and he's not offered the KU job.....the more heat on Bohn's job, the greater the chance of a McCartney return. why? because with Bohn's job in the balance, bringing in Mac shields him from the criticism with boosters and donors. for a time. i'm not at all convinced Bohn can conduct a successful *national* coaching search. he hasn't yet at CU. he's hired Hawkins, and 3 people from up or down 1-25 (Air Force--Bzdelik; Lappe--Metro State; Boyle--UNC). His track record at SDSU and Idaho are also questionable at best. the guy is a salesman and a "PR" guy...
Bohn not only hired Hawkins, he gave him, for no apparent reason at the time, a raise and a contract extension. The buy-out is reported to be $1.8 million for the remainder of it. Otherwise, they could have been rid of Hawkins 2 years ago. Bohn should have been fired for that fuckup alone.

As for a "national search", he'll probably end up taking Mac because that's the best he'll be able to do. Nobody really seems to want the job. Calhoun at Air Force has already said he has no desire whatsoever to leave there. Dave Logan apparently now does want the job- or at least wants to think he'd be considered for it. Let's see what he can do as Offensive Coordinator for a couple years first.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:26 pm
by The Seer
I have it from solid sources that Norm Chow could be extricated from the cavernous offensive morASS he created at UCLA...


Please?

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:45 am
by Cuda
fuck you, btw

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:27 am
by Danimal
I think the idea of hiring McCartney and grooming Logan is a bad one. McCartney is 70 years old and his last season was in 1994. Assuming he still has it and that he can prep a high school coach into the next big thing is a considerable stretch. Plus Logan is no spring-chicken. By the time he could be ready in terms recruiting and running a major college program he'd be about 60. That is pretty old to start your HC-career. If Logan wanted to be a bigtime coach he should've worked his way up through the ranks.

I'd go with a proven college HC or OC/DC.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:49 pm
by King Crimson
Logan is not a serious candidate to ever be HC at CU, IMO. his name is brought up by the local AM radio peeps and Denver sports media people for some inexplicable reason because he is "one of them". they get some kind of jock-sniffing contact-high out of it since Dave has a (terrible) radio show, too. Shanahan once said that Logan has "a great offensive mind" and they slavishly repeat it in a way that seems like they've got his Bike supporter cupped over their nose and mouth with the straps around their ears like a gas mask. this is the sports media town that continues to employ and even "celebrate" Woody Paige.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:56 pm
by Cuda
King Crimson wrote: Woody Paige.
... should be beaten senseless on a daily basis.

Woody "OMG, They're Selling $7.00 Beers to College Students at Football Games. Somebody Might Get Drunk That Way" Paige. I hate that son of a bitch even more than I hate the Nebraska & Wyoming football programs combined. It was on account of that cocksucker that no matter how obviously older than 21 you were, you had to hand over your ID so you could buy a maximum of 2 beers, and eventually couldn't buy beer at all, unless you joined the Flatirons Club. That was when I decided to drop my two $1500 per year, per seat, just across the aisle from the visitors section, practically on the 5 yard line, season tickets.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:10 pm
by Dinsdale
Cuda wrote:you had to hand over your ID so you could buy a maximum of 2 beers, and eventually couldn't buy beer at all, unless you joined the Flatirons Club. That was when I decided to drop my two $1500 per year, per seat, just across the aisle from the visitors section, practically on the 5 yard line, season tickets.

Uh, pretty sure they don't sell any booze in any D1A arena.

At Autzen, the practice facility is next door, and we can grab beers there during halftime, but it's a zoo. They always have a band there to entertain the drunks, too. And big TVs everywhere, if you stay too long for that one last drink.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:15 pm
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
Dinsdale wrote:
Cuda wrote:you had to hand over your ID so you could buy a maximum of 2 beers, and eventually couldn't buy beer at all, unless you joined the Flatirons Club. That was when I decided to drop my two $1500 per year, per seat, just across the aisle from the visitors section, practically on the 5 yard line, season tickets.

Uh, pretty sure they don't sell any booze in any D1A arena.

At Autzen, the practice facility is next door, and we can grab beers there during halftime, but it's a zoo. They always have a band there to entertain the drunks, too. And big TVs everywhere, if you stay too long for that one last drink.
When the ex and I went to CU @ Miami back in '05, they were selling beers at the old Orange Bowl. I don't think it's a universal ban, but it's pretty widespread...

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:52 pm
by Cuda
King Crimson would know better since he works on campus, but as far as I know, the big moneybags boosters- members of the Flatirons Club- can still buy not only beer, but hard liquor from their own, dedicated concessionaires in their own, private seating area. The general public could only buy 3.2% beer, and that was ended back in the late 1990's which was also when I dropped my season tickets.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:59 pm
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
Dinsdale wrote:Uh, pretty sure they don't sell any booze in any D1A arena.
There are a few still. The NCAA doesn't regulate it for regular season games either, it's up to the schools.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:02 pm
by Dinsdale
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Uh, pretty sure they don't sell any booze in any D1A arena.
There are a few still. The NCAA doesn't regulate it for regular season games either, it's up to the schools.

My very brief research tells me the same thing, although I guess conferences are free to make league-wide rules.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:03 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Cuda wrote:The general public could only buy 3.2% beer
What a rip. I know they sell beer at the Carrier Dome and I knew they sold it at Folsom Field at one point, but I am unsure of other venues. I know Joe Louis Arena sells beer for the GLI but not CCHA Championships.

Edit: Memphis sells beer at the Liberty Bowl. As of an 09 USA Today article: "At least 18 major college football stadiums sell beer through concessions."

Football stadiums: UL-Lafayette, Memphis, Akron (suites only), Maryland (suites only), Nevada, Colorado State, Syracuse, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pitt, South Florida, UNLV, SD ST, Florida Atlantic, Hawaii, SJ ST, Kent State, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, possibly Miami (FL).

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:07 pm
by King Crimson
Cuda wrote:King Crimson would know better since he works on campus, but as far as I know, the big moneybags boosters- members of the Flatirons Club- can still buy not only beer, but hard liquor from their own, dedicated concessionaires in their own, private seating area. The general public could only buy 3.2% beer, and that was ended back in the late 1990's which was also when I dropped my season tickets.
as far as i know you can booze in the Flatirons Club and up in the lux boxes and club level (in the new East-side addition). i've been up there (the view is unreal, you can see 150 miles of the Cont Divide)....and there's a bar. but, yeah, no more brew for the plebs.

the Coors Event Center stopped selling 3.2 beer 2-3 years ago...so, there may be some kind of "ban" in effect. that was one of the great things about CU hoops: GA ticket, nachos and a couple beers for 25$. serious sports entertainment value for the dollar....sit wherever you want, too!

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:48 pm
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
King Crimson wrote:
Cuda wrote:King Crimson would know better since he works on campus, but as far as I know, the big moneybags boosters- members of the Flatirons Club- can still buy not only beer, but hard liquor from their own, dedicated concessionaires in their own, private seating area. The general public could only buy 3.2% beer, and that was ended back in the late 1990's which was also when I dropped my season tickets.
as far as i know you can booze in the Flatirons Club and up in the lux boxes and club level (in the new East-side addition). i've been up there (the view is unreal, you can see 150 miles of the Cont Divide)....and there's a bar. but, yeah, no more brew for the plebs.

the Coors Event Center stopped selling 3.2 beer 2-3 years ago...so, there may be some kind of "ban" in effect. that was one of the great things about CU hoops: GA ticket, nachos and a couple beers for 25$. serious sports entertainment value for the dollar....sit wherever you want, too!
Yeah, I used to live in those shitty apartments on the SE corner of 28th & Colorado. It was a 5-minute walk to the Coors Event Center and unless Kansas was in town, you could stroll up five minutes before tip-off, buy a $2 student ticket at the door, grab a beer at the concession stand and still find a great seat. I think even regular tickets were only $6 or so. Good times. Bad basketball, to be certain, but still, good times.

Re: Fucking FINALLY!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:31 pm
by King Crimson
MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:
King Crimson wrote: as far as i know you can booze in the Flatirons Club and up in the lux boxes and club level (in the new East-side addition). i've been up there (the view is unreal, you can see 150 miles of the Cont Divide)....and there's a bar. but, yeah, no more brew for the plebs.

the Coors Event Center stopped selling 3.2 beer 2-3 years ago...so, there may be some kind of "ban" in effect. that was one of the great things about CU hoops: GA ticket, nachos and a couple beers for 25$. serious sports entertainment value for the dollar....sit wherever you want, too!
Yeah, I used to live in those shitty apartments on the SE corner of 28th & Colorado. It was a 5-minute walk to the Coors Event Center and unless Kansas was in town, you could stroll up five minutes before tip-off, buy a $2 student ticket at the door, grab a beer at the concession stand and still find a great seat. I think even regular tickets were only $6 or so. Good times. Bad basketball, to be certain, but still, good times.
there are a lot of shitty apartments over by 28th and Colorado. yeah, first year i was out of grad school GA tix were 7$. in the early 00's, CU was decent with Pelle, Morandais, and Harrison. Blair Wilson from beyond the arc.....and the Big XII had Eddie Sutton, RMK, Kelvin Sampson, Gillespie, Roy and Self....cheap, go see the good teams in the conference. in 02 (?) CU beat KU and UT in the CEC, both were final four teams. that year, CU got the worst, unluckiest, most dangerous first-round NCAA draw you can possibly get in a 10/7 or maybe 8/9 seed: a Tom Izzo team that underachieved in conference. Sparty put the Buffs away early since a Rico Patton team vs. Izzo on the glass is not a CU-friendly matchup.

I do remember going to a game in the late 90's, mid Patton but post-Billups era, where you could hear people on the *other side of the gym* having a conversation while play was going on. sad. that may have been in the Jaquay Walls heyday.