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Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:05 pm
by Mikey
For some reason I thought that Social Security and Medicare were (theoretically) funded outside the Federal Budget.
So how are cuts to these programs going to reduce the deficit?
Published November 10, 2010 | FoxNews.com

A draft proposal by the deficit commission suggests curbing Social Security benefits and raising the retirement age.

The co-chairmen of the panel appointed by President Obama to cut the U.S. deficit recommend raising the retirement age to 68. It is currently 67 years for retirees to receive full benefits. The panel leaders also propose reducing the annual cost-of-living increases in Social Security.

The increase to age 68 would be implemented by 2050 and then would increase again to 69 by 2075. A "hardship exception" would be provided for certain occupations where older retirement would be unrealistic.

According to a source who spoke to Fox News, the 18-member panel led by former Wyoming Republican Sen. Alan Simpson and former Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, also may propose reducing the base rate on corporate taxes, phasing in spending cuts over time, reducing foreign aid by $4.6 billion, freezing federal salaries for three years and banning congressional earmarks. It is unclear how the commissioners would define a congressional earmark.

The proposal would also set a tough target for curbing the growth of Medicare. And it recommends looking at eliminating popular tax breaks, such as mortgage interest deduction. The plan also calls for cuts in farm subsidies and the Pentagon's budget.

The goal is to reduce $1 trillion-plus budget deficits. The panel, which was meeting Wednesday, was expected to provide a full set of recommendations on Dec. 1.

But any recommendations require a supermajority of 14 members of the panel for approval and that seems unlikely.

Cuts to Social Security and Medicare are anathema to liberals on the panel. Conservatives have difficulty with options on raising taxes.

"This is not a proposal I could support," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill. "On Medicare and Social Security in particular, there are proposals that I could not support."

"It's a very provocative proposal," said GOP Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. "Some of it I like. Some of it disturbs me. And some of it I've got to study."

Speaking to reporters after the draft leaked, Bowles said it would be great if Congress could come to some agreement about the plan before the next term, but said there is no need to vote on anything right now. The approved proposals would have to go to the Senate for a vote before heading to the House.

Bowles said he is certain that this is a real plan that Congress can work from, and the draft will help "educate the American people" as to the "massive" task before them.

Bowles also joked that he and Simpson are now headed into "the witness protection program."

"This is the first time in my memory in Washington ... where it's all there. We have harpooned every whale," Simpson added.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:14 pm
by Cuda
B-Monica & Goober are gonna start a riot

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:18 pm
by Mikey
So will grandma and grandpa.

Good thing they elected the Tea Party last week. They'll put a stop to these crazy commie budget cuts.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:24 pm
by Mace
Maybe people will have jobs and start paying into Social Security by 2050. I'll either be dead or be the oldest poster on T1B....I'm guessing dead.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:32 pm
by BSmack
I will have long retired by 2050. Shit, I'll be in my mid 80s then.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:33 pm
by Wolfman
For some reason I thought that Social Security and Medicare were (theoretically) funded outside the Federal Budget.
So how are cuts to these programs going to reduce the deficit?


Welcome to the real world. You probably think there is money held somewhere in your name. What you hold is an IOU from Uncle Sam. And he's broke.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:37 pm
by Mikey
So, I guess all those t-bills and savings bonds are completely worthless then?

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:52 pm
by BSmack
Wolfman wrote:For some reason I thought that Social Security and Medicare were (theoretically) funded outside the Federal Budget.
So how are cuts to these programs going to reduce the deficit?


Welcome to the real world. You probably think there is money held somewhere in your name. What you hold is an IOU from Uncle Sam. And he's broke.
You say that as the SS check clears your automatic deposit every month.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:02 pm
by Wolfman
They're paying some of my IOU. How do you think you'll make out ?

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:15 pm
by Cuda
Mikey wrote:So, I guess all those t-bills and savings bonds are completely worthless then?
you're starting to wise up.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:19 pm
by BSmack
Wolfman wrote:They're paying some of my IOU. How do you think you'll make out ?
I'll do just fine.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:28 pm
by Wolfman
I wish you well.

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Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:55 pm
by Mikey
KC Scott wrote:
Have some cake
Has it got any high fructose corn syrup in it?

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:15 am
by LTS TRN 2
Mikey wrote:
KC Scott wrote:
Have some cake
Has it got any high fructose corn syrup in it?
You're dead on it...

HFCS is the perfect metaphor for America's entire economic, political, and spiritual character as a nation. At least since Reagan.

It didn't have to be this way.

And it can be changed :wink:

WW

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:02 pm
by poptart
88 wrote:So what to do?
First, the government MUST honor every cent of the promised payments to those who gave to the government with trust.

Government: We've spent your money and can't pay it back.

No, no, no, govenment, you misunderstand.

You MUST give back the money you promised to hold for us.

Or the citizens revolt.

How fuckin' DUMB are we, people?
How much shit are we going to eat?

So what the gov has to do is take funds from OTHER programs (yes, massive gov spending must, and will, one way or another, take place) and funnel it in to SS so that EVERY cent paid in to the program is paid back.

When this is set up, the program is killed.

No more SS.

Should never have begun in the first place.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:20 pm
by War Wagon
KC Scott wrote: We don't want the Govt. to touch our Social Security or Medicare
To the extent that I'd like to have some reasonable expectation that what was taken from me 'for my own good' will someday at least partially be given back.

If I can manage to live that long while they keep raising the age at which I'm eligible for benefits, that is.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:38 pm
by BSmack
War Wagon wrote:
KC Scott wrote: We don't want the Govt. to touch our Social Security or Medicare
To the extent that I'd like to have some reasonable expectation that what was taken from me 'for my own good' will someday at least partially be given back.

If I can manage to live that long while they keep raising the age at which I'm eligible for benefits, that is.
Quit smoking and back away from the 8th Rice Light and you might have a chance.

Re: Deficit Commission Recommends Changes to Social Security

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:30 pm
by Cuda
All of Alan Simpson's self-congratulations aside, this is just exactly the kind of fakery you should expect from the likes of assholes like Simpson & Bowles. Taxes must go up immediately, yet nearly all spending reductions are vague and happen way off into the future.

A possibility of a promise of a balanced budget by 2040? My, that is an accomplishment, isn't it?