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Re: Should Be Institutionalized

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:22 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
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Re: Should Be Institutionalized

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:03 am
by velocet
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What's the story with this one, Sam? What about it indicates that someone should be institutionalized?






velocet

Re: Should Be Institutionalized

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:37 pm
by velocet
Sudden Sam wrote:Kicked their own ass, the way I see it.

The sign suggests you turn to fairy tales when you can't comprehend things. When logic, sanity, and reason don't work for you, give up.




Oh.

Hey, check this out. It's from Kant's Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics




And thus there remains our original proposition, which is
the resume of the whole Critique: "that reason by all its a
priori principles never teaches us anything more than objects of
possible experience, and even of these nothing more than can be
known in experience." But this limitation does not prevent reason
leading us to the objective boundary of experience, viz., to the
reference to something which is not itself an object of
experience, but is the ground of all experience. Reason does not
however teach us anything concerning the thing in itself: it only
instructs us as regards its own complete and highest use in the
field of possible experience. But this is all that can be
reasonably desired in the present case, and with which we have
cause to be satisfied.



And here's a lil summary of a relevant portion of his thought:

The Limits of Reason
Now that we've seen Kant's answers to all three parts of the Prolegomena's "Main Transcendental Question" and have traced their sources in the Critique of Pure Reason, we are in a position to appreciate his careful delineation of what is possible in metaphysical thought and what is not.

What most clearly is not possible is any legitimate synthetic a priori judgment about things in themselves. The only thing that justifies the application of regulative principles in mathematics and natural science is their limitation to phenomena. Both sensible intuition and the understanding deal with the conditions under which experience is possible. But the whole point of speculative metaphysics is to transcend experience entirely in order to achieve knowledge of the noumenal realm. Here, only the faculty of reason is relevant, but its most crucial speculative conclusions, its deepest convictions about the self, the world, and god, are all drawn illegitimately.

What is possible—indeed, according to Kant what we are bound by our very nature as rational beings to do—is to think of the noumenal realm as if the speculative principles were true (whether or not they are). By the nature of reason itself, we are required to suppose our own existence as substantial beings, the possibility of our free action in a world of causal regularity, and the existence of god. The absence of any formal justification for these notions makes it impossible for us to claim that we know them to be true, but it can in no way diminish the depth fo our belief that they are.

According to Kant, then, the rational human faculties lead us to the very boundaries of what can be known, by clarifying the conditions under which experience of the world as we know it is possible. But beyond those boundaries our faculties are useless. The shape of the boundary itself, as evidenced in the Paralogisms and Antinomies, naturally impels us to postulate that the unknown does indeed have certain features, but these further speculations are inherently unjustifiable.

The only legitimate, "scientific" metaphysics that the future may hold, Kant therefore held, would be a thoroughly critical, non-speculative examination of the bounds of pure reason, a careful description of what we can know accompanied by a clear recognition that our transcendental concepts (however useful they may seem) are entirely unreliable as guides to the nature of reality. It is this task, of course, that Kant himself had pursued in the First Critique.






velocet

Re: Should Be Institutionalized

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:51 pm
by velocet
So they came up with the notion of the boundary of pure reason on their own?


Impressive.




velocet

Re: Should Be Institutionalized

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:54 pm
by Python
velocet wrote:
And thus there remains our original proposition, which is
the resume of the whole Critique: "that reason by all its a
priori principles never teaches us anything more than objects of
possible experience, and even of these nothing more than can be
known in experience." But this limitation does not prevent reason
leading us to the objective boundary of experience, viz., to the
reference to something which is not itself an object of
experience, but is the ground of all experience. Reason does not
however teach us anything concerning the thing in itself: it only
instructs us as regards its own complete and highest use in the
field of possible experience. But this is all that can be
reasonably desired in the present case, and with which we have
cause to be satisfied.



velocet
I agree.