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does anyone really care?

FUCK YEAH WE CARE.....

Hey Schmick....suck on that you faggot ass piece of shit........

All college football in SoCal is irrelevant this year.

Except for maybe San Diego State.

I hate to say this, but props to Notre Dame. They could have folded the tent like Kirk Ferentz coached teams do when they suffer through some disappointment. Instead, they nutted up and got themselves a couple of nice wins at the end of the year. Brian Kelly is a good coach and he will get that turned around........maybe not to the level Notre Dame used to be, but certainly better than what it has been. Congrats on having a team that, at least, has some heart. It must be nice.

I agree Mikey but after 8 years this feels nice no matter how shitty both teams are.

TheJON wrote:Brian Kelly is a good coach and he will get that turned around

Yeah, to what? 7-5? Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

It's a good thing no one gives a flying fuck about your opinion.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

TheJON wrote:Brian Kelly is a good coach and he will get that turned around

Yeah, to what? 7-5? Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

Why would you think that's as good as a coach like Brian Kelly could get a program like Notre Dame? I'm not saying there's any guarantees with him, but 7-5 is not his ceiling.

TheJON wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

TheJON wrote:Brian Kelly is a good coach and he will get that turned around

Yeah, to what? 7-5? Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

Why would you think that's as good as a coach like Brian Kelly could get a program like Notre Dame? I'm not saying there's any guarantees with him, but 7-5 is not his ceiling.

Screw can't possibly take off his ND hayta glasses long enough to evaluate this with any semblance of objectivity.

Strange season, indeed. If you had told me before the season started that we'd hold Utah and USC to a combined total of 19 points, I would've expected much better than a 7-5 record. OTOH, if you had told me before the season started that we'd finish 7-5, I would've had both Utah and USC in the L column, whereas Navy and Tulsa both would've been in my W column. And if you told me we'd start a true freshman at QB for 3 games, I would've expected all of those games to be losses.

I have to say that the last three games of the season gave me a confidence in Kelly that I hadn't had up to that time. What's more, we managed to accomplish that with a number of key players (Crist, Allen, Rudolph, Jones, Williams) out for the season. I hope that's something we can build on for next season.

A number of posters at ND Nation opined that Kelly wasn't "ready" to coach at ND, based on his previous stops (Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, Cincinnati). But OTOH, it's not exactly as though Ara Parseghian and Lou Holtz coached one juggernaut after another before landing at ND, now is it?

As far as long-term potential, I have a mixed bag in terms of what you categorize as the expectations ND fan is used to. I don't expect ND to reel off five straight undefeated seasons, like they did under Leahy in the 1940's. That'll never happen again, for anyone. OTOH, I'm a child of the 70's, and the expectations I grew up with -- two national championships that decade, major bowl bids being the rule rather than the exception -- are still, I believe, attainable under the right set of circumstances. I'm not saying for certain that Kelly is the right coach for that, but at least the possibility is still out there, based on the final three games of the season.

Mikey wrote:All college football in SoCal is irrelevant this year.

Except for maybe San Diego State.

From that post, Mikey, it sounds like you don't get the ND-USC rivalry at all. Not that you necessarily should, but . . .

ND-USC is a rivalry game. As such, the importance of the game itself, at least as to those schools and its fanbase, will always transcend the respective records of the schools involved. Kinda like Cal-Stanford in that regard. It's always a big deal to beat your rival, even when they're down.

I saw some parallels between this year's game and 1983. Both times, USC was coming off a long winning streak in the series (5 years in 1983, 8 years this year). Both times, USC was replacing a highly-successful head coach who had jumped to the NFL with a considerably less successful head coach. And both times, ND broke the losing streak. The 1983 win was important, even if Gerry Faust was our coach and we beat a Ted Tollner-coached team. This year is no different.

Props to the Irish. Maybe Kelly will get things turned around sooner rather than later.

Screw can't possibly take off his ND hayta glasses long enough to evaluate this with any semblance of objectivity.

I hate Notre Dame 10x more than he does probably but sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.

USC sucks, this team and its coaches have no heart and thus has nothing to play for.
congrats to the domers I guess, this series coming to an end soon is one of the good things, well ok, it's the best thing the Pac 12 comissioner is going to do.

Why, you don't want to see another 13 year winless streak, or you don't want to see ND start to out physical you again?

And I doubt this series ends, Skippy. But you're to stupid to realize that.

Killian wrote:And I doubt this series ends, Skippy. But you're to stupid to realize that.

I can't see Pat Haden letting it end, not with his background. What's more, if he wants to challenge the conference rule about restricting OOC games to the first three weeks of the season, chances are he'll have some company. I have to think that Utah would want to keep the BYU game late-season, and if Stanford wants to continue with us (admittedly a less likely proposition), they'll probably have no choice but to request that game be late-season as well.

In a worst-case scenario, from ND's point of view, the game has to move to September. If that's the case, I think ND is more likely to dump one (or more) of the Big Ten schools on its schedule than USC.

No, it's because USC gains NOTHING by playing Notre Dame, they're not even an SOS boost. The Trojans are better off playing a team that is from a rich recruiting area and provides them with a national audience, in Breckenridge for the game this last weekend and the Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State game was on.

You got a link to show that USC is cancelling the series, Schmick, or is this just more of your deluded ramblings?

Even with both ND and USC unranked, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State both ranked in the Top 15, and USC on probation, ND-USC still got a pretty significant share of the country in regional coverage, as far east as New York State.

what schools in New York state were playing that time of day?
I provided a link that showed that Larry Scott was going to make the Pac teams play their OOC games in the first 3 weeks of the year, the current agreement with USC and nd ends in 2012 or so, after that they will either play in September or not at all. USC isnt cancelling anything, they will play out this contract.
As for Haden, he doesnt give a shit about notre dame anymore, his checks come from elsewhere and his loyalty was always to his school. Plus he is going to be pretty busy calling out the NCAA for their double standards until USCs sanctions are lowered or removed.
USC needs to schedule games in their best interest, that means vs national super powers or all at home vs nobodies as a warm up for the leage play ('sup SEC) notre dame is just some school in the mid east that is trying to hold on to its past accomplishments, nothing but home games vs the likes of San Diego State would do the Trojans better than playing the irish, San Diego has 100 times the talent pool that South Bend has.

Man, you are one stupid motherfucker.

SoCalTrjn wrote:what schools in New York state were playing that time of day?

What does that have to do with anything? Point was that the game got extended regional coverage. ABC won that time slot handily, even in markets that carried ND-USC, despite the fact that ABC gave significantly less lead-in publicity to that game than to Oklahoma-Oklahoma State.

I provided a link that showed that Larry Scott was going to make the Pac teams play their OOC games in the first 3 weeks of the year, the current agreement with USC and nd ends in 2012 or so, after that they will either play in September or not at all. USC isnt cancelling anything, they will play out this contract.

Ahh, but that's hardly the same thing as saying the series is coming to an end, now is it? As for the take that Pac teams will have to play all OOC games in the first three weeks, I suppose it's at least possible that the fat lady hasn't sung on that one yet.

As for Haden, he doesnt give a shit about notre dame anymore, his checks come from elsewhere and his loyalty was always to his school. Plus he is going to be pretty busy calling out the NCAA for their double standards until USCs sanctions are lowered or removed.

Never said Haden's loyalty wasn't to USC. I just pointed out that his previous position announcing ND games should have given him a perspective on what the tradition associated with that series means, not just to ND, but to USC as well.

USC needs to schedule games in their best interest, that means vs national super powers or all at home vs nobodies as a warm up for the leage play ('sup SEC) notre dame is just some school in the mid east that is trying to hold on to its past accomplishments, nothing but home games vs the likes of San Diego State would do the Trojans better than playing the irish, San Diego has 100 times the talent pool that South Bend has.

So, ND is in the mid-east? You mean, near Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, etc.?

As for the rest, I'm not quite sure what nothing but home games vs. San Diego State does for USC's recruiting in the San Diego area, although I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty of tickets available at the Mausoleum for San Diego kids if they decide to make the trek up the I-5 for that one.

Terry in Crapchester wrote: So, ND is in the mid-east? You mean, near Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, etc.?

As for the rest, I'm not quite sure what nothing but home games vs. San Diego State does for USC's recruiting in the San Diego area, although I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty of tickets available at the Mausoleum for San Diego kids if they decide to make the trek up the I-5 for that one.

the mid-east part of this country.

Name one thing that USC gains out of playing notre dame, just one, one positive for USC and its program
dont give me some "it's traditional" line of bullshit, fuck rockne and his four horsemen in the ass. One concrete gain that USC gets from playing notre dame every year that they wouldnt get playing any other team from back east that most likely resides in an area with more and better recruits.
Just one

I'll wait

I've already done this, but . . .

TV exposure.

The list of other schools that could provide the same level of TV exposure for USC as ND does is a very short one.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I've already done this, but . . .

TV exposure.

The list of other schools that could provide the same level of TV exposure for USC as ND does is a very short one.

Not sure about that. Thankfully USC-ND was not shown in my area.

I think ND should drop USC. It's obvious that the two schools are going in different directions and USC will be a blight on ND's SOS in the future years. ND doesn't gain anything by playing USC, especially with a series out to California every other year with the true football power of the state, Stanford.

Plus, ND should refuese to schedule a team that has repeatedly run afowl with the NCAA. USC had a nice run during one of the worst stretches in ND history, but this "rivalry" is very one sided. If the Pac12 decides to enforce the rule of all OOC games in September, ND should look for alternatives in the ACC, Big East or Big 12 (10).

Forget the fact that it's the largest intersectional rivlary, or the history between the two schools, ND shoud drop them because they gain nothing by playing them.

Hey SC could gain a lot by playing schools like SDSU, SJSU, CP SLO, Portland St, some weathervane school in the northwest.

Sudden Sam wrote:I believe ND draws from a rather extended talent pool. Quite a bit larger pool than the area around San Diego.

Nah. There's no interest in ND outside Indiana.

At least, that's what Schmick told me.

Sudden Sam wrote:Gotta agree with you. Playing the Trojans any over the next 5 years or so will do no more for ND's SoS than playing a Miami (OH) or Kent State.

Part of SoS takes into account your opponent's SoS. USC typically has a top 10 rated SoS (currently they're 6th) so even playing a middling 7-5 USC team isn't really going to hurt your strength of schedule. Miami of Ohio, on the other hand, has an SoS rated 111th. I don't know if that was hyperbole on your part or if you actually believe what you wrote.

In any event, what good does SoS do when you're 6-6, 7-5 every year? ND needs to starting beating teams like Navy and Tulsa consistently before they start worrying about intangibles.

I like ND-SC. It's obviously steeped in tradition. I like how ND treats the LA games as the season finale and I wish SC would do the same. Unfortunately, both teams aren't so good right now, but in a few years when SC gets off probation and gets good again, they'll be back to blowing out ND on a regular basis, especially at the Coliseum, which everyone loves. And everything will be back to normal.

You're honestly too fucking dumb for words.

November 29, 2008 Los Angeles, CA Southern California 38 Notre Dame 3
November 25, 2006 Los Angeles, CA Southern California 44 Notre Dame 24
November 27, 2004 Los Angeles, CA Southern California 41 Notre Dame 10
November 30, 2002 Los Angeles, CA Southern California 44 Notre Dame 13

Nobody cares about anything pre-02. ND has won just ONCE in the series since 02. Just shut the fuck up already.

You're honestly too fucking dumb for words.

So you're giving up? Noted. Christ, you're pathetic, even for a subway alum. No wonder Schmick takes regular dumps on you.

Ironic, considering you turn tail and run from a thread as soon as a critical point is addressed to you.

You're honestly too fucking stupid for words. Now go look at your framed rejection letter from UofM and silently say that one day you'll prove them wrong.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:Gotta agree with you. Playing the Trojans any over the next 5 years or so will do no more for ND's SoS than playing a Miami (OH) or Kent State.

Part of SoS takes into account your opponent's SoS. USC typically has a top 10 rated SoS (currently they're 6th) so even playing a middling 7-5 USC team isn't really going to hurt your strength of schedule. Miami of Ohio, on the other hand, has an SoS rated 111th. I don't know if that was hyperbole on your part or if you actually believe what you wrote.

True, but that argument also cuts against Schmick's take that ND hurts SC's SOS. Let's take a look at SC's OOC opponents this year, shall we?

Hawai'i
Record: 9-3
SOS: 81

ND
Record: 7-5
SOS: 22

Virginia
Record: 4-8
SOS: 57

Minnesota
Record: 3-9
SOS: 27

I'll commend SC for playing a schedule consisting only of BCS-level teams, except Hawai'i (although that game gave them the opportunity to schedule an additional game). But the argument that ND hurt their SOS this year is laughable, at best. In fact, if you were looking for 3 potential OOC opponents for SC with both a better record and better SOS than ND, the pickings get pretty slim:

Alabama
Record: 9-3
SOS: 15

Oklahoma
Record: 10-2
SOS: 12

Arkansas
Record: 10-2
SOS: 17

Texas A&M
Record: 9-3
SOS: 9

And a few other schools that are better than ND in one category and comparable in the other:

Auburn
Record: 12-0
SOS: 24

Missouri
Record: 10-2
SOS: 23

LSU
Record: 10-2
SOS: 26

South Carolina
Record: 9-3
SOS: 25

Florida
Record: 7-5
SOS: 14

You also have Taco Tech, who would be very comparable to ND in both regards (7-5 record, 21 SOS). I doubt Schmick would be complaining about them hurting SC's SOS.

Also, if you notice something about those other schools, they seem to be concentrated within two conferences. I doubt the SEC teams in particular are clamoring for a road trip to LA.

As for ND, it would appear that if anything, their impact on USC's SOS will get better. ND appears to have made a significant improvement following its bye week. It may be overrated, in that Utah was a highly overrated team; Army, while well-disciplined and well-coached, and running an unusual scheme, had a significant talent disadvantage to ND; and USC may be doing little more than playing out the string at this point. I want to see more evidence before I go out on a broken limb and proclaim that ND has turned a corner, but I think at least the potential is there for that to have happened, given that this team had every opportunity to give up on the season and the coaching staff but did not.

As for SOS, don't forget, ND achieved that 22 SOS ranking despite having (on paper, anyway) the weakest schedule ND has ever had in recent memory. The schedules in the next two years figure to improve considerably:

2011: From 2010 schedule, drop Army, Tulsa, Utah and Western Michigan. Add Air Force, Maryland, South Florida and Wake Forest.
2012: From 2011 schedule, drop Air Force, Maryland and South Florida. Add BYU, Miami and Oklahoma.

A lot of variables still to be determined, of course. But at least on paper, the 2012 schedule has potential to be a Top 10 schedule.