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11-1, co-champ of Big Ten, head-to-head win over fellow co-champ #5 Wisconsin. What does that get you? A trip to Orlando.

MSU picked the wrong year to be good. Damn.

Fuckit. Bring on the SEC. Who's their projected Cap One team? Would love to see a match up with Bama.

their last dominant year earned them a trip to orlando. it also earned them the bobby williams regime.

My mindset is you win'em all and you have room to bitch. If not, you suffer the consequences of formulas.

I'm not really bitching about the system. I honestly don't know the fairest way to determine a 3 way tie breaker when two of the teams didn't play. Just pointing out the humorous ills of being an MSU fan, i.e., best season of my lifetime and it's still not good enough. Just fitting, is all. I'll take solace in the fact that regardless of what happens with the beauty pageant selection show the hardware is still in the trophy case.

Papa Willie wrote: But hey - at least we'll get to see (probably) UConn in your place at another BCS Bowl!

No shit. Like I said elsewhere, I think A&M is playing like a top 10 team right now. However, in the current system, you have to do one of two things: get overatedranked (yes, I made up that word) early or play like a top 10 team all year. We didn't do that, and will probably end up in the Cotton Bowl, which I would not be mad about. As long as we continue to improve, I'm good.

A&M will get the Cotton Bowl because A&M is likely to get more people to drive a couple hours to the bowls location than Mizzou fans having to drive 12 hours to the bowls location. real talk.

Bizzarofelice wrote:A&M will get the Cotton Bowl because A&M is likely to get more people to drive a couple hours to the bowls location than Mizzou fans having to drive 12 hours to the bowls location. real talk.

Yeah because Oklahoma isn't closer (if it loses to Nebraska) and Oklahoma State isn't just as close as College Station.

I prefer going to the Outback over the CapOne. CapOne is played in the shittiest stadium ever and the tailgating blows. Raymond James is a nice stadium and even though I do love Orlando, it's nice to have the beach in the winter.

From a fans perspective, of all the Florida bowls, I prefer the Outback. Been to 2 Orange, 2 Outback and a CapOne and the best times have been at Outback bowls. Miami is the most overated city in America and whatever they are calling the Dolphins stadium now is just kinda meh. The closest thing other than the parking lot to the stadium I saw was a trailer park. it is a good spot to tailgate, though.

I think an MSU-Alabama matchup would be great. Saban vs 1 of his old teams. Iowa losing to Minnesota really fucked the Big-10 over in bowl games. Because of the loss, it will bump Michigan and Penn State to bowl games where they will get throttled, and Iowa will give about as much effort in the Insight Bowl as they did against Minnesota. There's no way we show up for that game. The 3 year string of 1 score only losses will end- I don't care who the opponent is. So we pretty much dicked over the Big-10's chances of a winning bowl record, but hopefully our top teams will show up and represent like last year.

Alabama would seem to me to make the most sense in the Capital One, assuming Auburn wins the CCG.

Auburn to BCS championship game.
Arkansas to Sugar.
Alabama to Cap One.
LSU to Cotton.
South Carolina to Outback.
Mississippi State to Chik-fil-A.
Florida to Gator.
Tennessee to Music City.
Kentucky to Liberty.
Georgia to Birmingham BBVA.

I'd prefer a playoff myself, maybe keep the bowl system in place as college football's answer to the NIT.

Birmingham BBVA Bowl?? What the fuck is that??

Used to be the PapaJohns.com Bowl.

Fwiw, I see Iowa in the Outback Bowl this year. Assuming, of course, that tOSU gets an at-large BCS bid, which now seems likely.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Used to be the PapaJohns.com Bowl.

Fwiw, I see Iowa in the Outback Bowl this year. Assuming, of course, that tOSU gets an at-large BCS bid, which now seems likely.

I'm not so sure about that. It sounds like everyone is expecting the Insight Bowl. We won't show up to play some crappy Big-12 team like K-State or whoever it is. The ONLY way Iowa shows up for a bowl game is if it is in January OR against an elite program. In 2006, after a disappointing year, we played our best game of the season against Texas in the Alamo Bowl. The only reason that team showed up was because it was Texas. How can you NOT get fired up to play Texas?

Iowa, Michigan, and State Penn are all 7-5. Iowa has been to 3 Outback Bowls since 2004. It would be hard to imagine the Outback Bowl committee wanting to take Iowa over those 2 teams given that fact. I suppose maybe the Gator Bowl would take Iowa, but I really don't see Iowa fans traveling for that game given the disappointment of the season. In fact, I really don't think Iowa fans will travel at all. Arizona is probably our best destination given that there are so many Iowa alums/fans that live down in Phoenix.

I am not saying there is no chance Iowa ends up in the Outback or Gator Bowl, but I think it's very unlikely. Plus, if Florida is taken in the Gator Bowl, why would they want to match them up with Iowa? We've faced them twice in the past 7 years in bowl games. That might make for even fewer fans given that some Iowa fans may not travel to see an opponent they've already seen a couple of times.

TheJON wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Used to be the PapaJohns.com Bowl.

Fwiw, I see Iowa in the Outback Bowl this year. Assuming, of course, that tOSU gets an at-large BCS bid, which now seems likely.

I'm not so sure about that. It sounds like everyone is expecting the Insight Bowl. We won't show up to play some crappy Big-12 team like K-State or whoever it is. The ONLY way Iowa shows up for a bowl game is if it is in January OR against an elite program. In 2006, after a disappointing year, we played our best game of the season against Texas in the Alamo Bowl. The only reason that team showed up was because it was Texas. How can you NOT get fired up to play Texas?

Iowa, Michigan, and State Penn are all 7-5. Iowa has been to 3 Outback Bowls since 2004. It would be hard to imagine the Outback Bowl committee wanting to take Iowa over those 2 teams given that fact. I suppose maybe the Gator Bowl would take Iowa, but I really don't see Iowa fans traveling for that game given the disappointment of the season. In fact, I really don't think Iowa fans will travel at all. Arizona is probably our best destination given that there are so many Iowa alums/fans that live down in Phoenix.

I am not saying there is no chance Iowa ends up in the Outback or Gator Bowl, but I think it's very unlikely. Plus, if Florida is taken in the Gator Bowl, why would they want to match them up with Iowa? We've faced them twice in the past 7 years in bowl games. That might make for even fewer fans given that some Iowa fans may not travel to see an opponent they've already seen a couple of times.

Without looking it up, I wasn't aware of how many times in recent years Iowa had been to the Outback, or played Florida. I was thinking Iowa being slotted ahead of Penn State and Michigan due to the fact that they beat both head-to-head. Of course, both of them finished stronger than Iowa did.

The good news is that if you play in the Insight Bowl, your likely opponent will be either Missouri or Oklahoma State rather than Kansas State, so that's a little bit of a step up.

insight.com bowl Big XII rep is not going to be KSU, JON. most likely it will be Mizzou, OSU, or ATM.

i'd bet over the last 20 years KSU's W-L and yearly rankings are comparable to Iowa's, anyway.

King Crimson wrote:insight.com bowl Big XII rep is not going to be KSU, JON. most likely it will be Mizzou, OSU, or ATM.

i'd bet over the last 20 years KSU's W-L and yearly rankings are comparable to Iowa's, anyway.

I don't think it'll be aTm, I think one of the bowl games in Texas (Cotton or Alamo) grabs them. Nebraska-Oklahoma loser gets the other bid of those two, which leaves Mizzou and Okie State for Holiday and Insight Bowls.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

King Crimson wrote:insight.com bowl Big XII rep is not going to be KSU, JON. most likely it will be Mizzou, OSU, or ATM.

i'd bet over the last 20 years KSU's W-L and yearly rankings are comparable to Iowa's, anyway.

I don't think it'll be aTm, I think one of the bowl games in Texas (Cotton or Alamo) grabs them. Nebraska-Oklahoma loser gets the other bid of those two, which leaves Mizzou and Okie State for Holiday and Insight Bowls.

i tend to agree that the Alamo bowl will lean local (or possibly OSU) and have posted about this many times (Texas bowls taking South teams over comparable North teams)....but I didn't want to disrespect MU fan without making the explanation. lazy. If NU wins big over OU, then i could see ATM jump up to the Cotton.

OSU was in the Holiday a few years ago, maybe that would give MU a novelty edge. tell the truth, while the payout is not so much, San Diego and AZ are better December/Jan destinations than Dallas or SA imo. and i like San Antonio, pretty much.

King Crimson wrote:OSU was in the Holiday a few years ago, maybe that would give MU a novelty edge. tell the truth, while the payout is not so much, San Diego and AZ are better December/Jan destinations than Dallas or SA imo. and i like San Antonio, pretty much.

In terms of quality of opponents, Mizzou or Okie State might be better off with the Insight this year than the Holiday. In the Insight, you'll wind up with either Penn State, Michigan or Iowa as your opponent. The Holiday is wide open. Most likely the opponent would be Washington, assuming they beat Washington State. Oregon State is also a possibility but only if they beat Oregon. Maybe you get Arizona, but that could only happen if Stanford isn't selected for the BCS, and they'd have to drop at least a notch in next week's poll for that to even be a possibility. If Washington and Oregon State both lose, and Stanford goes to the BCS, the bid goes at-large, which means you probably get an opponent from the MAC, unless ND somehow were to get out of its Big East tie-in and take that bid (I don't see it, but stranger things have happened, e.g., Boise State getting out of the Humanitarian Bowl in years where they didn't go to the BCS).

TheJON wrote:I prefer going to the Outback over the CapOne. CapOne is played in the shittiest stadium ever and the tailgating blows. Raymond James is a nice stadium and even though I do love Orlando, it's nice to have the beach in the winter.

Orlando sucks donkey scrote. Unless you're 5 minutes from a beach, there's no reason to even be in the state of Florida. What a miserable hellhole.

As for the bowl, I'm not going to either one, so I'd selfishly pick the Cap One over the Outback simply because MSU will get a better opponent.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Orlando sucks donkey scrote. Unless you're 5 minutes from a beach, there's no reason to even be in the state of Florida. What a miserable hellhole.

Orlando is on my list of places to go, but only because I have kids who are young enough to enjoy Disney World. Maybe I can hold out long enough that they get to the point where they're not interested anymore.

I lived in Jacksonville for 3 1/2 years while in the Navy, but only made it to Orlando twice. One was the obligatory trip to Disney World (I figured if I lived that close, I had to go at least once). The other was for a Genesis concert. Not that Jacksonville is any great shakes in terms of a place to live either.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I'm not really bitching about the system. I honestly don't know the fairest way to determine a 3 way tie breaker when two of the teams didn't play. Just pointing out the humorous ills of being an MSU fan, i.e., best season of my lifetime and it's still not good enough. Just fitting, is all. I'll take solace in the fact that regardless of what happens with the beauty pageant selection show the hardware is still in the trophy case.

I believe the same thing happened to UW in Bielema's first season. 11-1, as was UM and tOSU. At least you're better than Iowa.

King Crimson wrote:insight.com bowl Big XII rep is not going to be KSU, JON. most likely it will be Mizzou, OSU, or ATM.

i'd bet over the last 20 years KSU's W-L and yearly rankings are comparable to Iowa's, anyway.

Probably pretty close. That's not my point. My point is that there's no way you are going to get any team (not just Iowa) to show up for a minor bowl game to play Kansas State after one of the most disappointing seasons in school history. This is why I hate minor bowl games and almost wish they didn't exist. It's all a crapshoot and a battle of who actually cares about playing the game. Put Texas, Nebraska or Oklahoma in that game and Iowa shows up. But programs like Missouri or KSU aren't going to fire this team up. Remember, this will be our worst bowl game since 1997 and this team played in the Orange Bowl last year.

I won't even be mad when we lose by 30 because it's actually understandable. Losing to Minnesota was not. But I don't expect any effort whatsoever from this team, nor should I. There are very few teams in this situation (regardless of program stature) that would show up to play a minor bowl game against a program like Missouri.

Goober McTuber wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I'm not really bitching about the system. I honestly don't know the fairest way to determine a 3 way tie breaker when two of the teams didn't play. Just pointing out the humorous ills of being an MSU fan, i.e., best season of my lifetime and it's still not good enough. Just fitting, is all. I'll take solace in the fact that regardless of what happens with the beauty pageant selection show the hardware is still in the trophy case.

I believe the same thing happened to UW in Bielema's first season. 11-1, as was UM and tOSU. At least you're better than Iowa.

Gee, I wonder if it had to do with the fact that you didn't beat anyone with a pulse the entire regular season that year. Hmm.....I dunno....

TheJON wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I'm not really bitching about the system. I honestly don't know the fairest way to determine a 3 way tie breaker when two of the teams didn't play. Just pointing out the humorous ills of being an MSU fan, i.e., best season of my lifetime and it's still not good enough. Just fitting, is all. I'll take solace in the fact that regardless of what happens with the beauty pageant selection show the hardware is still in the trophy case.

I believe the same thing happened to UW in Bielema's first season. 11-1, as was UM and tOSU. At least you're better than Iowa.

Gee, I wonder if it had to do with the fact that you didn't beat anyone with a pulse the entire regular season that year. Hmm.....I dunno....

It was a softer schedule in that it didn’t include tOSU and it did include a typically mediocre Iowa team. Purdue and Penn State were the only teams on the schedule to finish with a winning record. We did beat a 10-win Arky team in the bowl game.

Sudden Sam wrote:I'd love an Alabama-MSU matchup. Bear vs. Duffy!

4th place SEC West team taking on Big Ten co-champ. Perfect! :D

Or, according to Jeff Sagarin, #5 Alabama vs #21 Michigan State.

Sudden Sam wrote:I'd love an Alabama-MSU matchup. Bear vs. Duffy!

Or the school that Bear sent the balcks to because he wouldn't let them play in Tuscaloosa.

Sudden Sam wrote:4th place SEC West team taking on Big Ten co-champ. Perfect! :D

Yeah, but the only reason MSU is even in that game is because the BCS bowls won't allow more than two teams from one conference. Meatgrinder, I tell ya!

TheJON wrote: Put Texas, Nebraska or Oklahoma in that game and Iowa shows up. But programs like Missouri or KSU aren't going to fire this team up. Remember, this will be our worst bowl game since 1997 and this team played in the Orange Bowl last year.

I won't even be mad when we lose by 30 because it's actually understandable. Losing to Minnesota was not. But I don't expect any effort whatsoever from this team, nor should I. There are very few teams in this situation (regardless of program stature) that would show up to play a minor bowl game against a program like Missouri.

What a pussy you and your team are.

I sorta' wish Iowa didn't suck so bad and could qualify for a bowl as "minor" as what Mizzou will, and that we'd play them... after it was over we'd jizz all over your face.

War Wagon wrote:

TheJON wrote: Put Texas, Nebraska or Oklahoma in that game and Iowa shows up. But programs like Missouri or KSU aren't going to fire this team up. Remember, this will be our worst bowl game since 1997 and this team played in the Orange Bowl last year.

I won't even be mad when we lose by 30 because it's actually understandable. Losing to Minnesota was not. But I don't expect any effort whatsoever from this team, nor should I. There are very few teams in this situation (regardless of program stature) that would show up to play a minor bowl game against a program like Missouri.

What a pussy you and your team are.

I sorta' wish Iowa didn't suck so bad and could qualify for a bowl as "minor" as what Mizzou will, and that we'd play them... after it was over we'd jizz all over your face.

Keep in mind, Wags, that theJON's statements about who Iowa might "get up" to play are his, and his alone. They do not reflect the attitude of the Iowa football team in any way, shape, or form. It's just jonsense and theJON being his douchebag and uninformed self. That said, do you really think that JON would consider "jizzing on his face" to be some form of punishment? More like same shit, different day for him.

yeah Mace, any derogatory comments I make about Iowa are generally aimed at Jon. As well, jizzing on his face would be the equivalent of a post game handshake.

i'd worry about MU "showing up" to play a team of chokers when they could play Penn St., one of the great programs with a legendary coach. :wink:

War Wagon wrote:yeah Mace, any derogatory comments I make about Iowa are generally aimed at Jon. As well, jizzing on his face would be the equivalent of a post game handshake.

I get that, Wags, and you also understand how difficult it is for Iowafan to tolerate his douchebaggery. JON assessing football talent is comparable to Ray Charles judging a beauty contest.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:I'd love an Alabama-MSU matchup. Bear vs. Duffy!

Or the school that Bear sent the balcks to because he wouldn't let them play in Tuscaloosa.

Wasn't allowed to. He wanted the kid(s).

well, he could have sent them to Texas.....oh wait. :?

when Mizzou got throttled by Navy last year, I coulda' gone the "they couldn't get up for a minor bowl game" route and even called it in advance, like Jonbitch has done here.

how convenient, a ready made excuse.

War Wagon wrote:when Mizzou got throttled by Navy last year, I coulda' gone the "they couldn't get up for a minor bowl game" route and even called it in advance, like Jonbitch has done here.

how convenient, a ready made excuse.

I recall some of the SEC honks (sup Jsc?) in here staging the exact same excuse last year in the event Florida were to lose to Cincy in the the Sugar Bowl. Of course UF went on to win by 80, so they must've dug up the interest at the last possible second.

Apparently, Mace and Wags haven't watched a lot of minor bowl games.

Umm......teams with disappointing seasons don't usually show up for a minor bowl game. That's kinda sorta common knowledge. Do either of you know ANYTHING about college football? This is not an Iowa thing here. They shouldn't even have these bowl games for this exact reason.

The funny thing is I can literally say ANYTHING and get Mace and Wags to meltdown. Rack me!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

War Wagon wrote:when Mizzou got throttled by Navy last year, I coulda' gone the "they couldn't get up for a minor bowl game" route and even called it in advance, like Jonbitch has done here.

how convenient, a ready made excuse.

I recall some of the SEC honks (sup Jsc?) in here staging the exact same excuse last year in the event Florida were to lose to Cincy in the the Sugar Bowl. Of course UF went on to win by 80, so they must've dug up the interest at the last possible second.

I still contend that the only reason Urban Meyer went into that fake ass retirement/attention whoring was because he wanted his team to get up for the Sugar Bowl. He saw how Alabama played the year before against Utah after losing in the SEC title game and didn't want the same to happen to his team. That said, I don't care what happened in the final game of the season- how can ANY team not get up for a BCS bowl? That's just plain inexcusable. A minor bowl game is different because nobody cares about them. But a BCS bowl? Come on now, your coach shouldn't have to go into a fake retirement to get the team to play hard.

TheJON wrote:Apparently, Mace and Wags haven't watched a lot of minor bowl games.

Umm......teams with disappointing seasons don't usually show up for a minor bowl game. That's kinda sorta common knowledge. Do either of you know ANYTHING about college football? This is not an Iowa thing here. They shouldn't even have these bowl games for this exact reason.

The funny thing is I can literally say ANYTHING and get Mace and Wags to meltdown. Rack me!

It's not "melting", you ignorant cunt, we're just laughing at your ignorance of everything college football.....and it's been going on for years now. Keep up the good work, JON, because everyone needs a good laugh once in a while.

Mace wrote:

TheJON wrote:Apparently, Mace and Wags haven't watched a lot of minor bowl games.

Umm......teams with disappointing seasons don't usually show up for a minor bowl game. That's kinda sorta common knowledge. Do either of you know ANYTHING about college football? This is not an Iowa thing here. They shouldn't even have these bowl games for this exact reason.

The funny thing is I can literally say ANYTHING and get Mace and Wags to meltdown. Rack me!

It's not "melting", you ignorant cunt, we're just laughing at your ignorance of everything college football.....and it's been going on for years now. Keep up the good work, JON, because everyone needs a good laugh once in a while.

I have forgotten more college football than you and Wags combined will ever know. My 6 year old nephew has a firmer grasp on the sport of football than you do. He's also more intelligent. The only thing to laugh about is when you try and claim you have ANY football expertise at all.

You are a media parrot, Mace. Your takes are based on typical ESPN-type assumptions and arguments. Congrats, you're as dumb as the retards they hire at ESPN. You is awesome!

TheJON wrote:I have forgotten more college football than you and Wags combined will ever know. My 6 year old nephew has a firmer grasp on the sport of football than you do. He's also more intelligent. The only thing to laugh about is when you try and claim you have ANY football expertise at all.

You can't "forget" something that you have never learned, dumbfuck. Your stupidity has been posted on this board for years now, and everyone recognizes you for what you are.....and it's not a college football expert, by any means. If your 6 year old nephew knows as much as you say, he also knows enough to laugh at you too.

You are a media parrot, Mace. Your takes are based on typical ESPN-type assumptions and arguments. Congrats, you're as dumb as the retards they hire at ESPN. You is awesome!

If I ever spent much time watching ESPN, you might be onto something. Sucks for you that I don't. Just another of your thousand or so swings and misses. You claim to be a graduate of Iowa's Journalism school and, if I knew that were true, I'd pull my son out of the journalism school and send him to Iowa State or Missouri. The fact that you claim to have also been an "honor student" makes me think that you're confusing "honor" with "special".

TheJON wrote:
Umm......teams with disappointing seasons don't usually show up for a minor bowl game. That's kinda sorta common knowledge. Do either of you know ANYTHING about college football? This is not an Iowa thing here. They shouldn't even have these bowl games for this exact reason.

More Jonsense not even worth a rebuttal except to say you're full of shit.

The funny thing is I can literally say ANYTHING and get Mace and Wags to meltdown.

Not really. I ignore most of the crap you post and avoid the rest. Scroll wheels were made just on account of you. It'd be a full time job to adequately refute all the ignorance you spew and you're just not worth the time.