T1B

Peter, speaking to believers.

1 Peter 1:23
(You) Being born again, not of corruptible
seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of
God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


When man left God and became spiritually captured by satan, God immediately promised that He would provide the seed of the woman, which would bruise satan's head - Genesis 3:15.
This is the virgin birth - or God Himself - who would came as Jesus Christ.

All seed of Adam was hopelessly corrupt, such that man has no choice but to come to ultimate suffering and failure.

God overstepped that completely and has a man LIVE AGAIN by the incorruptible seed if he will simply take that promised Word.
Jesus is the Word - John 1:1.

Because a believer has the incorruptible seed in him (which lives and abides FOREVER) he has become a source of blessings (Genesis 12:3, Galatians 3:29 - 4:7) right now, and he lives eternally.



Merry Christmas!

That's what kleenex is for.

poptart wrote:
When man left God and became spiritually captured by satan, God immediately promised that He would provide the seed of the woman, which would bruise satan's head - Genesis 3:15.

why didn't "god" just kill satan and be done with it? why all the machinations

This is the virgin birth - or God Himself - who would came as Jesus Christ.

or the result of the virgin birth could have been Horus, Attis, Fohi, Codom, Adonis, Quetzalcoatl, King Amunothph III, Mithra, Quirrnus, Indra, Krishna or any of the other thousands of virgin births that have been spawned from the imagination of man

Jesus is the Word - John 1:1.

I thought "grease" is the word

Merry Christmas!

happy new year

Felix wrote:why didn't "god" just kill satan and be done with it?

Why God chose the method of salvation that He did, I can't say for sure.

Sam wrote:How can anyone, in this day and age, believe in such silly shit?

Couple points.

1) I'd challenge you to read the post and read the Scriptures within. I could be wrong, but I'd bet you didn't do that.

2) God is spirit. Man is a spiritual (as well as physical) being. The Bible is a book centered on the spiritual world. If a person has not experienced God - or how His Word is true, they might have the take that it seems silly.

See if He's real.

poptart wrote:If a person has not experienced God -

Please...go on...

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called according to his purpose.


I've experienced this.



What's more, many prophets gave details for 2,000 years in advance about the Christ who God would send.
The man Jesus uniquely, unwittingly, and AMAZINGLY fulfilled them all.

It's really not possible to look this off unless a person just chooses to bury it.


It's also not possible to look off the apostles and the spread of Christianity - unless a person chooses to bury it.
This small group of rag-tag nothing apostles began from THE MOST impossible situation - and yet somehow overcame it all to set in motion the fulfillment of Acts 1:8.

Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye
shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The Gospel of Christ is being testified to the end of the earth.


There has never been a situation where darkness overcomes the Light.

A person can receive Jesus the Christ or they will undoubtedly face extreme hardship, suffering, and ultimate failure.

Make no mistake.

poptart wrote: What's more, many prophets gave details for 2,000 years in advance about the Christ who God would send.
The man Jesus uniquely, unwittingly, and AMAZINGLY fulfilled them all.

really.....maybe you can cite the specific passages in the Torah (you know, the book that hasn't been twisted around by christians to fit this jesus character) where there are specific descriptions of the coming of jesus

It's really not possible to look this off unless a person just chooses to bury it.

but your constantly "looking off" the reprehensible behavior of the old testament...you know, the slaughter of innocent human beings and the eradication of civilizations killing off everyone except for the virgins, which they kept for themselves, your god killing off people for his own amusement, condoning of slavery, etc., etc.

It's also not possible to look off the apostles and the spread of Christianity - unless a person chooses to bury it.
This small group of rag-tag nothing apostles began from THE MOST impossible situation - and yet somehow overcame it all to set in motion the fulfillment of Acts 1:8.

you do realize that the majority of the new testament was likely written by one guy-right?

1. Felix, I can cite from the Torah regarding the coming Christ if you'd like, but I find your take to be extremely odd.

Do you imagine that Christians somehow "twisted around" say ... Isaiah, but not Genesis?





2. I don't look off God's actions in the Old Testament.
I've repeatedly answered you when you've brought things up.
I think it's that you don't like my answers - or that you don't read them.


3. Paul wrote a lot of the New Testament, but there were a handful of other writers as well.

poptart wrote:1. Felix, I can cite from the Torah regarding the coming Christ if you'd like

then by all means, pleas do

Do you imagine that Christians somehow "twisted around" say ... Isaiah, but not Genesis?

the entire christian bible has been edited, modified, edited, modified, voted on, modified, voted on, edited, modified, edited, etc. etc. more times than you can possibly imagine
why would anyone edit or modify the "word of god"

I don't look off God's actions in the Old Testament.
I've repeatedly answered you when you've brought things up.
I think it's that you don't like my answers - or that you don't read them.

I read them, it's simply that they don't make any sense.....in the first part of the bible, this god is a narcissistic prick with a real inferiority complex and in the second half of the story, he's meek and mild....quite the turn around

3. Paul wrote almost all of the New Testament, but there were a handful of other writers as well.

ftfy
as long as somebody else threw in their two cents worth

Felix, Paul wrote approximately half of the New Testament.
The other (approximate) half was written by a handful of other people.


Within the Torah, we find the VERY narrow family line that the Messiah was prophecied to be coming through.
This line is, of course, something which Jesus had no control over.


Genesis 9:26-27: Of Noah's three sons (Shem, Ham, and Japheth), the Messiah would come through Shem.

Later - Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 22:18: The Messiah would come through Abraham.

Later - Genesis 26:3-4 : Abraham had two sons (Isaac and Ishmael) - and the Messiah would come through Isaac.

Later - Genesis 35:11-12: Isaac had two sons (Jacob and Esau) - and the Messiah would come through the line of Jacob.

Later - Genesis 49:10: Jacob had twelve sons - and the Messiah would come through the line of Judah.


This is just within the Torah.
The "address in history" is narrowed even much more as one reads further into the Old Testament.


Genesis 3:15 - The original Messianic prophecy is given by God. The seed of the woman (virgin birth) would crush the head of the serpent.
Later clarified in Isaiah 7:14.

Deuteronomy 18:15-22 - The promise that God would raise up a Prophet - like Moses - and God would speak through Him, and whoever does not hearken unto His Words would be destroyed. Peter later instructs the Jews (Acts 3:22-23) that this Prophet is Christ.



There is so much more to say on this topic, but that's it now.

Martyred wrote:

poptart wrote:If a person has not experienced God -

Please...go on...

Indeed. Show us on the doll where 'The Lord' touched you. You won't get in trouble.

The child molester as well as the child who is molested ---> need the Gospel.


Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

poptart wrote:The child molester as well as the child who is molested ---> need the Gospel.


Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

wrong....

the child molester needs to be strung up-shot-castrated then shot again for good measure.....and child who was molested needs psychological healing, not fables....having people tell that child how much jesus loves them isn't going to make any sense, nor bring comfort to a child that's just had their childhood ripped away from them...

fuck me running, just when I thought zealot stupidity had reached a new low....

A molestation victim can benefit from good counseling.
A molester must face the punishment society gives him.

I don't disagree with those things.

poptart wrote:A molestation victim can benefit from good counseling.
A molester must face the punishment society gives him.

I don't disagree with those things.

but you believe that if the molester accepts jesus, he can be saved
me, i get shithammered for being a decent human being, but not believing....makes perfect sense (if your a fucking schizo)

there maybe something more beyond this life, but I can tell you unequivocally that it isn't the "god" of the bible

I have a couple of questions, Felix.

Seeing as you think the molester should be severely punished, I assume you think he is evil.
And you yourself are good.

1. Where do you think this evil (that you think some humans have) came from?

2. Are there some animals that are evil, too (and some good ones), or is this just something in humans?

poptart wrote:I have a couple of questions, Felix.

Seeing as you think the molester should be severely punished, I assume you think he is evil.
And you yourself are good.

"good" and "evil" are terms created by human beings....behaviors are evaluated by the larger collective based on what the effect of a given behavior on the social structure is.....each society determines that for themselves, but I can assure you that within the confines of most structured societies, child molestation is considered abhorrent behavior....and before you ask, those established boundaries have come from 50,000 years of evolutionary development......not by any "god"

given that we're asking questions here: can you define for me exactly what this entity you refer to as "god" is?

Felix wrote:can you define for me exactly what this entity you refer to as "god" is?

I believe God is a spiritual being and that He lives within a person forever when they receive Jesus Christ.


John 4:24
God is a Spirit


1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


Matthew 28:20
I am with you always, even unto the end of the world

poptart wrote:
I believe God is a spiritual being and that He lives within a person forever when they receive Jesus Christ.

very metaphysical...and pretty much says nothing at all

no doubt that it's going to be hard for "him/her/it" to kick me to the curb when the time comes....but "he/she/it" has got nobody to blame but "himself/herself/itself" because "he/she/it" allegedly made me this way....

that must pose quite the quandary for "he/she/it"

Felix wrote:

poptart wrote:
I believe God is a spiritual being and that He lives within a person forever when they receive Jesus Christ.

very metaphysical...and pretty much says nothing at all

no doubt that it's going to be hard for "him/her/it" to kick me to the curb when the time comes....but "he/she/it" has got nobody to blame but "himself/herself/itself" because "he/she/it" allegedly made me this way....

that must pose quite the quandary for "he/she/it"

Not in the least, Felix. I heard a Pastor speak at the funeral of of a young lady who passed away almost overnight from breast cancer. She was only 35. As you can imagine, the church was packed with incredibly sad, stricken people who had come to mourn her passing. His message was simple...

One of the greatest gifts that God ever gave to us was that of Free Will. You are correct, Felix: He could have made you, defined you, made you live the way He wanted you to live... But He didn't. Free Will is the reason why we love so passionately, and mourn so bitterly. Free Will allows us to exhilerate in our triumphs, and yes, despair at our tragedies. Free Will even allows you to question His message... And His existence. And Free Will allows you to Believe. It's what YOU choose to do with Free Will that decides your destiny.

Truman wrote: One of the greatest gifts that God ever gave to us

define "god" and please, something a little more substantive than the dribble that poptart posted

Two unrelated webpages in a row I've read where people, for some reason decided to use the word "dribble" in place of "drivel."

Dinsdale wrote:Two unrelated webpages in a row I've read where people, for some reason decided to use the word "dribble" in place of "drivel."

when it comes to religious non-sense, it's virtually the same

merry easter