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By the end of the first half those big linemen, especially on defense, will be standing around between plays with their hands on their knees, gasping for breath and trying their best not to puke on national TV.

We need to get "fukk y'all" dude in here for his take.

We need to get "fukk y'all" dude in here for his take.

You gotta do something about that stutter, smackie.

been having a lot of trouble with that lately. have no idea why it keeps double posting.

you can delete posts, if the double post happens. jus FYI. click the "x" next to EDIT.

Uhm... pretty much what Mikey said.

Sam obviously hasn't seen Oregon play much.

The goal is to get the ball snapped within 13 seconds of ball placement. It often happens even faster.


So, how are these monsterous defensive lineman going to hang in there against much smaller, faster, infinitely more fit offensive lineman (they didn't recruit them because they were leftovers -- there's a reason), when there isn't enough time to rotate out the wind-suckers?

Against the big D lines is where Oregon really shined.

And you're unfamiliar with Oregon's basic strategy. It's built to counter big nasty lineman. Most plays, they leave one of the Dlinemen unblocked (doubt it will be Fairley). The Kelley Offense kinda works off this by giving a guy a "free pass" into the backfield -- where he's now trying to play catch-up with Derron Thomas and/or LaMike... good luck with that. What this accomplishes, is it basically creates an open space where the guy was allowed to passrush from -- a space that is then filled by someone faster than your fastest linebacker. The QB reads what the passrusher does, whether he keys on the QB or RB, then makes the option -- a keeper (which Thomas needs to do morte), a handoff, or an open pass to the now-vacant spot. If they fill the vacant spot with a safety, then the deep ball is open. Kind of a new twist on the triple-option.

And if/when the ball is run out of the backfield -- those miniature O-linemen are now downfield, taking out everything in their path -- which leads to an awful lot of long runs.

I think the "SEC Speed!" crowd is in for a rude awakening.

But that's why they play the games, right?

King Crimson wrote:you can delete posts, if the double post happens. jus FYI. click the "x" next to EDIT.

Someone missed a joke.

Dinsdale wrote:

King Crimson wrote:you can delete posts, if the double post happens. jus FYI. click the "x" next to EDIT.

Someone missed a joke.

wasn't really paying attention to the thread...just trying to be helpful.

Papa Willie wrote: So how is Oregon's defense going to react when Auburn's offense plays at the same speed as Oregon's offense the whole game?

First off, Auburn doesn't play anywhere near as fast as Oregon.

Fast... yes.

Oregon-fast... BWA


But as to your argument... who does Oregon's defense practice against?

Nice logic -- SECnology at its finest.


And Sam -- really?

Auburn's defense gave up 34 to Kentucky, and 31 to Ole Miss and UGA. This is conducive to keeping Oregon under 60... how?


And the point spread has sure dropped, eh?

I'm surprised the O/U isn't higher than 74, though.

Allbarn will walk into the locker rooms at half time up 3 to 7 points...

Oregon will walk off the field with a 14 to 17 point victory.

Oregon even when it has given up yards has found a way to demolish the competition on the scoreboard (i.e. Arizona State). Allbarn on the other hand has struggled and eeked out wins for the most part and even against very subpar competition (i.e. Clemson). Don't feed me the SEC shit either; the SEC hasn't beaten a non Big 10 conference team yet this post-season and all that BS about how Georgia had improved tremendously as the season progressed got fist fucked by Florida Directional school's defense.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Are you insinuating that there's something wrong with this picture, Sam? The only thing I can see is that the tractors aren't painted black and gold. :)

Papa Willie wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:Allbarn will walk into the locker rooms at half time up 3 to 7 points...

Oregon will walk off the field with a 14 to 17 point victory.

Oregon even when it has given up yards has found a way to demolish the competition on the scoreboard (i.e. Arizona State). Allbarn on the other hand has struggled and eeked out wins for the most part and even against very subpar competition (i.e. Clemson). Don't feed me the SEC shit either; the SEC hasn't beaten a non Big 10 conference team yet this post-season and all that BS about how Georgia had improved tremendously as the season progressed got fist fucked by Florida Directional school's defense.

I'm sorry - what is it (again) that's been going on since the BCS has been out? Who played more ranked opponents? Quit being a bitter fuck, SCS. That was a stupid a post as I've ever seen you make. You're better than that.

Oregon's offensive speed (both field speed and the way they run their offense) are going to run Auburn off the field in the second half.

Allbarn needed OT to be beat a bad Clemson team, struggled against Kentucky, and had a track meet with Georgia, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Oregon pretty well had only one game the entire season where a team was able to hang for four quarters with them.

And you think it's absurd anyone sees an Oregon victory. :doh:

Someone west of the Colorado River discounting the competitive greatness of the Pac 10?

Oregon will win (easily) and the myopiacs will retreat once again to the comfort of their time worn excuses.....

it's not football
they don't play defense
they don't play anyone all year
they cheat
they have unfair advantages

etc. etc. etc.

The Pacific 10 conference (soon to be 12) by far has the most national championships of any conference. It has the 2 best college football teams in the country this year...in a part of the country where football is a diversion.

Reality isn't always fair, but it is always reality. Deal with it.

Papa Willie wrote:

The Seer wrote:Someone west of the Colorado River discounting the competitive greatness of the Pac 10?

Oregon will win (easily) and the myopiacs will retreat once again to the comfort of their time worn excuses.....

it's not football
they don't play defense
they don't play anyone all year
they cheat
they have unfair advantages

etc. etc. etc.

The Pacific 10 conference (soon to be 12) by far has the most national championships of any conference. It has the 2 best college football teams in the country this year...in a part of the country where football is a diversion.

Reality isn't always fair, but it is always reality. Deal with it.

So far (and I'm a SECBSH), I have no problem in admitting that Oregon could win. Funny how the P10BSH's won't admit that in reverse.

We heard all this "speed" bullshit last year before those big ol' slow Big 10 boys from tOSU kicked their ass in the Rose Bowl. I'm picking Auburn to win but think it's an even match and will hinge on the turnover battle, not any misconceived notion about the difference in speed.

Papa Willie wrote:
So far (and I'm a SECBSH), I have no problem in admitting that Oregon could win. Funny how the P10BSH's won't admit that in reverse.

Do you even realize how completely full of shit you are?

Just a quick question:

If Auburn's defense is so big and fast, why were they 54th in the BCS giving up an average of over 24 points per game?

Oregon put up 52 against Stanford, which ranked #10 at 17.4 (including that 52), threw three shutouts and just held VTech to 10 offensive points.

And don't give me any bullshit about Auburn playing against much better teams. That dog won't hunt.

BTW, citing a game from last season is really dumb. Stop embarassing yourself.

Papa Willie wrote:Just remember - Auburn's offense can simulate Oregon's offense a HELL of a lot better than Oregon's offense can simulate Oregon's.

Then Oregon is fucked.

I already got a good laugh today:

Sudden Sam wrote:Last season Oregon had a better QB running the same offense.

Not even close.

Masoli was the problem against tOSU. Thomas has about twice the IQ, better decision maker, and a much better passer.

I'm not a big karma guy, but the more I think about this one, the more I lean towards Oregon...

Just all the shadiness surrounding the Cam Newton shit and the AU program in general. The fact they may have some ineligible players. OSU snapped their losing streak to the SEC. Seems like the SEC will snap its winning streak in the MNC. It's only a matter of time, anyway. Just feels like Oregon is going to win, ya know?

I know. I should be getting paid for this kind of hard hitting analysis.

If Auburn wins, I wonder if Tiger Fan will feel bitter-sweet about that? You know, since it's just going to get vacated. Enjoy it while it lasts, I suppose.

I'm going off just a hunch feeling as well, but on paper these teams seem to be pretty even across the board. Reminds me a little of the '05 Orange Bowl, when it seemed Oklahoma & USC were dead even leading up but one team came out and blew the doors off the place.

I think Oregon just comes out playing fast and jumps to a quick lead and never looks back. 46-34 or something like that. Should help Kal sneak into the Top 5 of the final poll too.

Sudden Sam wrote:Funny that OU has a RB named Barner.

Funny to southerners anyway.

Also on the track team... just call him Burner. 5 tuddies in the first half against the juggernaut known as New Mexico (who I think finished up at #120 out of 120 in defense)

BTW, why are we using OU to refer to Oregon? Wouldn't it be UO?

"We"?

You got a mouse in your pocket, or a gerbil up your ass?

OU is a school in some town called Norman.

U of O is a school in Eugene... UO if you're lazy.

I'd rather UO than OU.

Sort of depends on how much UO, though.

Sudden Sam wrote:I stand corrected.

I recommend sitting after being corrected -- unless you have a jizzmop in your hand, then by all means stand.

Sudden Sam wrote:Auburn's lines outweigh Oregon's by around 40-45 pounds, both ways.

and Wisky's lines outweighed TCU's by a similar margin.....Oregon's linemen are pretty good at leveraging larger opponents

Now when you consider that Auburn's linemen are quick as hell, that doesn't seem to bode well for Oregon.

sideline to sideline, oregon is as fast as anybody in the country.....Auburn will have more success running between the tackles

I foresee AU disrupting the Oregon offense and overpowering the Duck's defense. Probably wear the lighter Ducks down and beat 'em pretty bad in the 2nd half. A 14-21 point AU win, is my feelin'.

if the barners can hold Oregon to 14 points, no doubt they'll win it...I just don't think Auburn is capable of slowing them down that much...but then again, I don't give the ducks much chance of slowing down AU's offense

I'd rather .....BOISE STATE...win the NC other than Auburn.

I take back all those bad things I said about you sammy

If Oregon is smart, they'll study the 1st half of the Alabama-Auburn game and see how to neutralize the bastard.

Chip Kelly is a smart guy and Allioti develops some pretty clever defensive schemes, but stopping Newton for the majority of a game seems to be almost impossible.....they may hold him in check for a while, but sooner or later he's going to go superman on Oregon's defense...it's an inevitability

Good luck, Ducks. You're gonna need it.

I think they are going to need some luck, but I still think the Ducks can pull it off

And as to the thread title, what'll happen...

Two supercharged nuclear powered ass stomping gettin'-it-on teams of motherfuckers are going to go at it like there's a title on the line or something, and two defenses are going to get absolutely shredded, one of which will be pissed about it come late-monday.


That's my take.

Which probably means a 6-3 Oregon victory.

Sudden Sam wrote:Nothing that happens in this game will surprise me.

Isn't Cam bigger than the entire Oregon defense?

No, but he prolly gets paid a little more.

Sudden Sam wrote:Nothing that happens in this game will surprise me.

You can't see Oregon "hanging with Auburn" and nothing will surprise you.

I got it. I think? No...I'm confused.

Sudden Sam wrote:Isn't Cam bigger than the entire Oregon defense?

No, just the game itself. Until he's busted.

Sincerely,
Reggie

Papa Willie wrote:

Mikey wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:Nothing that happens in this game will surprise me.

Isn't Cam bigger than the entire Oregon defense?

No, but he prolly gets paid a little more.

Wanna bet?

Sincerely,
Nike

We pay them after they leave.

And there's maybe 2 NFL prospects on the defensive roster.

Then again, cushy jobs in Beaverton await the semi-stars who don't make the pros.

Sudden Sam wrote:Seriously, 235 pound defensive ends? Come on.

Who the hell is gonna tackle Cam? And if UO loads up to try to stop the run, how are they gonna stop that big SOB's pinpoint passing? The more I look at this thing, the worse it gets for Oregon.

Please....PLEASE....Ducks win this game. There is no way I can live in this state if Auburn finally wins a NC.

Oh, by the way, not that any of you bastards care...I might not get to see the game. They're predicting a major ice storm to hit the state Sunday/Monday, so I anticipate the power being out. What a bitch that'll be.

Just listen for the "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chants outside your window, and you'll know that Auburn won the game. If you hear crickets, they lost.

I'm sure that 'Spray will provide you with a tape if Auburn wins. :)

Sudden Sam wrote:Seriously, 235 pound defensive ends? Come on.

Who the hell is gonna tackle Cam?

How'd those huge psuedo-fast DE's of the SEC do?

Our DE's are faster than Cam... do some Alabama math.

'Spray? Carson? Either of you guys taking Dins up on the offer?

Dins shares a lot of my political views but he's not the marrying type.

Papa Willie wrote:

Mace wrote:'Spray? Carson? Either of you guys taking Dins up on the offer?

I'll pass.

SS - lost COMPLETELY in the shuffle are Adams, Dyer & McCaleb. Ontario has a swoot 8 1/2 yard per carry average. Dyer broke Bo's Freshman record. And nobody is paying one BIT of fucking attention to them. Something tells me those 3 might decide what happens more than Newton or LaMichael...

James isn't exactly the only offensive threat on the Oregon team.

Sudden Sam wrote:But you'd have done the same if the Ducks had rolled.

No -- I would have said "thanks for the great game, Auburn."

The huge divide between the level of class between the U&L (and West in general) and the South has become pretty obvious.

Matter of fact, it's on full display right here -- SECBSH comes'a'runnin... to gloat. Uhm... we don't do that.

Did you catch Derron Thomas (among others) sprinting across the field to congratulate the opponents, with a smile on his face? Could have been quite the learning moment for your lot... but I doubt it sank in.

And as far as my pregame analysis -- since Oregon never ran their offense, we don't really know how it might have worked out. Kelley and Co. dropped the ball, in a major way. Made the exact opposite mistake from last year's Rose Bowl -- last year, were much too adamant about a preconcieved gameplan. This time around, they abandon the game plan after the first drive.

And I'm laughing my ass off at the fact it took less than 24 hours for SECBSH to engage in revisionist history -- they seem to want to talk about some disparity in speed... that absolutely didn't exist at any point.

Size? Yup, big disparity, which made a huge difference. Speed? SECBSH must have been watching a different game from the rest of us.

Terry Bowden came on a local show for quite a while yesterday... saw it about the same way I did. The difference in the game was Nick Fairley. Without his rather large, rather disruptive ass, Auburn comes away with a L.

But there's no question that Oregon was missing a huge DT to cause problems up the middle. It was painfully apparent every time Dyer got that extra yard or two or three after the initial contact on the runs up the middle. Definitely needs to be adressed this recruiting season. It's not like we haven't had plenty of them in recent memory -- I can rattle off 3 Oregon DTs that will be playing this weekend (sup Haloti, Matt, and Junior).


And a RB with some meat on his bones (sup LaGarrett) would have been pretty helpful (got a couple in the wings, I think there's a redshirt coming this season, and I believe we already got a commit from a bruiser). That was the other huge difference in the game -- Oregon didn't have the horses to convert 3rd-and-middlin -- Auburn did it well. Oregon's containment scheme for Scam actually worked very well -- only problem being that like anyone else who had to deal with him, containing him and making him beat you with his arm involves your safties staying awfully close to the box... which leadsto DEs and LBs defending deep pass routes. That was kind of a problem. A big nasty DT or 2 could have had the safties playing where they belong... but it's the same problem everyone else had with Auburn.


But what it boiled down to was the more poised coaching staff won the game. Did the Auburn D-line suck wind after halftime? No, because Oregon didn't line up after the ball was placed and snap it, like they did all season -- complete abandonment of the game plan, leaving the offense staring at the sidelines for help while Auburn substituted at will. Bottom line. Save the SECBSH shit for some time when you can actually bring something in the same zip code as "accuracy."

Sudden Sam wrote:Hindsight is 20-20. Easy to pick this apart now.

Is it? Coulda swore the entire time you were trumpeting, "I just can't see Oregon hanging with Auburn." It appears they did just that. You got the outcome, just not the analysis.

Oh, and your bias is still showing.

Sudden Sam wrote:"poor SS, he must not have seen Oregon this year/he has no idea what the Ducks speed is like" manner. That's fine. But now he can't laugh about the fact that he was wrong?

Wow. I guess we didn't watch the same game.

How the ever living fuck do you think Oregon stayed in the game, dumbass? With their size?


One of us was wrong... I just think you're a little confused as to which one.


I guess the "football is religion in Alabama" thing is rearing its ugly head -- like religion, it's not based on actual fact, or anything observed -- merely "I'm always right, despite facts"... yup, it's a "religion," alright.


If you attribute the end result to anything other than preparedness of the coaching staffs... well, I don't want to offend your "faith." It's like arguing with a poptart about the great flood.

Sudden Sam wrote:My bias?

Yes. You say one thing, your actions say another, and you think people can't see through the bullshit. It's a basic human reaction to defend that of which you side or sympathize with. And you've done just that ad nauseum, pre and post game, and now taking opportunities to rub it in...even when you're still wrong, i.e., "oh I was right about some technicality re: Auburn's defensive line, blah blah blah." Well, you were wrong about the bottom line which was the claim that Oregon couldn't hang with Auburn. Sure, there were some areas in which Oregon was exposed, that'll happen. But they were absolutely in the game until triple zero.

This behavior wouldn't be natural if you were in fact rooting for Oregon.