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Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:13 pm
by Mace
A $77,500 fine and likely to face a wrongful death suit by the family. They could save some face by giving the family a blank check and avoid the negative PR of going into a courtroom, imo.
INDIANAPOLIS (AP)
The Indiana Occupational Safety and Health Administration (IOSHA) announced $77,500 in fines against Notre Dame University Tuesday, finding the school at fault for a tragic incident last year in which a student fell to his death from a hydraulic lift while filming football practice.

"Notre Dame did not establish and maintain conditions of work that were reasonably safe for its employees that were free from recognized hazards that caused or were likely to cause death or serious injury," according to an IOSHA statement that followed a five-month investigation.

Sullivan fell about 50 feet (15 meters) from a hydraulic scissor lift amid winds that were gusting above 50 mph (80 kph). The agency levied a fine for six violations.

The most serious violation, which was accompanied by a $55,000 fine, was due to Notre Dame "knowingly exposing its employees to unsafe conditions by directing its untrained student videographers to use the scissor lift during a period of time when the National Weather Service issued an active wind advisory with sustained winds and gusts in excess of the manufactured specifications and warnings."

IOSHA classified Sullivan's death as a preventable workplace fatality, and also faulted Notre Dame for failing to train Sullivan and other students on how to properly operate the lifts.

Notre Dame said last week that it would no longer use the hydraulic towers to film football practices and began installing a remote video system.

Shortly after Sullivan's death, Notre Dame took responsibility for the accident, with president, Rev. John Jenkins, saying, "Declan Sullivan was entrusted to our care, and we failed to keep him safe."

Notre Dame could face a wrongful death lawsuit from Sullivan's family seeking tens of millions in damages.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:18 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Yeah, but that would involve actually having some dignity, which ND clearly lacks.

$77k is pitifully small for a human life. But the GOPers in Indiana have gutted OSHA of all its power so no one should really be surprised.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:25 pm
by Mace
I'd like to think that ND has the dignity to do what is right in this case, if for no other reason than to avoid the bad publicity that will come if they go to court and try to defend their actions in this case. They were in the wrong, have accepted responsibility, and now it's time to pay the family for something that no one can put a price on...the untimely death of a child.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:46 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Mace wrote:I'd like to think that ND has the dignity to do what is right in this case
And fire Brian Kelly? Laughable.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:35 pm
by WolverineSteve
Are osha fines paid to the victims?

My guess is the civil suit or settlement will be well into 7 or 8 figures.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:38 pm
by Killian
Screw_Michigan wrote:
Mace wrote:I'd like to think that ND has the dignity to do what is right in this case
And fire Brian Kelly? Laughable.

Why? Again, where was it proven that he told the kid to go up in the lift?

But throw your arms up in a huff and scream about something you know very little about.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:41 pm
by Killian
WolverineSteve wrote:Are osha fines paid to the victims?

My guess is the civil suit or settlement will be well into 7 or 8 figures.
No, it wouldn't. It's likely that Declan was an employee and his family would be limited to an award under the worker's compensation statute. Those awards are typically quite a bit smaller than what could get in a civil tort case.

But even if he weren't an employee, because he was a dependent without children, his family wouldn't be able to get much anyway. Indiana's wrongful death statute caps damages at $350,000 and for dependent children the award only considers the time between the date of death and when the child would have either turned 21 or graduated from post-secondary education (if the child was a student).

My guess is that Notre Dame will, or already has, settled with the Sullivan family for a sum much larger than they could get from a civil trial. A sum that will likely never be made public.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:45 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Killian wrote: Why? Again, where was it proven that he told the kid to go up in the lift?

But throw your arms up in a huff and scream about something you know very little about.
Of course, the coach isn't ultimately responsible for the football program. Only at ND.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:50 pm
by Killian
Screw_Michigan wrote:
Killian wrote: Why? Again, where was it proven that he told the kid to go up in the lift?

But throw your arms up in a huff and scream about something you know very little about.
Of course, the coach isn't ultimately responsible for the football program. Only at ND.
If a factory worker at Ford is killed on the line, do you call for Bill Ford Jr.'s job?

Why stop at Kelly? Why aren't you demanding the resignations of Fr. Jenkins and VP John Afflek-Graves?

Because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, once again. You have no way of knowing how practices are run, and who is in charge of what.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:10 pm
by MuchoBulls
Screw_Michigan wrote:$77k is pitifully small for a human life.
That's not going to the family. The Sullivan family will probably seek, and should receive, much more in damages.

Killian, the fact that you're trying to defend Kelly is what I would expect, but he oversees everything pertaining to practices, which includes the lifts. He must bear most, if not all, of that responsibility.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:23 pm
by Killian
MuchoBulls wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:$77k is pitifully small for a human life.
That's not going to the family. The Sullivan family will probably seek, and should receive, much more in damages.

Killian, the fact that you're trying to defend Kelly is what I would expect, but he oversees everything pertaining to practices, which includes the lifts. He must bear most, if not all, of that responsibility.
I'm not defending Kelly, per se. I’m defending the calling for his job by idiots like Fredo. Unless Kelly directly ordered Declan Sullivan up in the lift, why should he be fired? He was using a system that has been in place across college athletics for years. This was an awful accident that will likely lead to changes on how all colleges tape practices and other athletic events.

I highly doubt the Sullivan family will take this to a civil trial. Like I stated above, they would be capped on the amount of damages they could receive. I would assume that Notre Dame will provide the family with much more than they could receive from a trial, plus a large donation to the scholarship in his name.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:25 pm
by MuchoBulls
While I agree that is the direction that this will likely take I think Kelly should be helping pay for what settlement is reached.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:05 pm
by Carson
WolverineSteve wrote:Are osha fines paid to the victims?
Absofuckinglutely NOT.

The government keeps every damn dime. Kind of a "death tax."

They don't even spend it on safety education; they just increase the regulations.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:40 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
Killian wrote:
MuchoBulls wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:$77k is pitifully small for a human life.
That's not going to the family. The Sullivan family will probably seek, and should receive, much more in damages.

Killian, the fact that you're trying to defend Kelly is what I would expect, but he oversees everything pertaining to practices, which includes the lifts. He must bear most, if not all, of that responsibility.
I'm not defending Kelly, per se. I’m defending the calling for his job by idiots like Fredo. Unless Kelly directly ordered Declan Sullivan up in the lift, why should he be fired? He was using a system that has been in place across college athletics for years. This was an awful accident that will likely lead to changes on how all colleges tape practices and other athletic events.

I highly doubt the Sullivan family will take this to a civil trial. Like I stated above, they would be capped on the amount of damages they could receive. I would assume that Notre Dame will provide the family with much more than they could receive from a trial, plus a large donation to the scholarship in his name.
I tend to agree with this. I'm not licensed to practice in Indiana, so I don't know what Indiana law is with respect to damages caps. In most states, though, damages in wrongful death lawsuits are based largely on pecuniary loss, and it's very unlikely that a 20-something college student was supporting anybody financially. I suppose the family also could maintain a personal injury survival lawsuit as well, but if he was killed on impact, pain and suffering would be minimal. The damages from that action likely would be limited to pre-impact terror.

I do think that if Declan Sullivan has any college-age (or younger) siblings, ND should be footing the entire bill for their college education, regardless of where they attend school. I also think that ND should offer the Sullivan family, above and beyond that, a cash settlement significantly in excess of what they could expect to receive at trial, and further, that they should endow (at least) one full tuition scholarship named after Declan Sullivan for a student videographer.

And I will be the first to call for the jobs of Kelly, Swarbrick, Affleck-Graves and/or Father Jenkins if it is proved that any of them are responsible for Declan Sullivan's death. So far, that hasn't been the case.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:17 pm
by MuchoBulls
Terry in Crapchester wrote:And I will be the first to call for the jobs of Kelly, Swarbrick, Affleck-Graves and/or Father Jenkins if it is proved that any of them are responsible for Declan Sullivan's death. So far, that hasn't been the case.
Is there an ongoing investigation into that now?

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:42 pm
by Killian
MuchoBulls wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:And I will be the first to call for the jobs of Kelly, Swarbrick, Affleck-Graves and/or Father Jenkins if it is proved that any of them are responsible for Declan Sullivan's death. So far, that hasn't been the case.
Is there an ongoing investigation into that now?
Yes, by someone based out of Arizona.

Terry, I believe they already have a scholarship set up and I thought I remember reading that ND did exactly what you said w/r/t other Sullivan children. And my guess would be that they will pay the Sullivan family an amount that far exceeds anything that they could have gotten from a lawsuit.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:17 pm
by Screw_Michigan
So who decided to hold practice outside on that fatal day for Sullivan? The assistant video coordinator? The waterboy? Father Jenkins? Hmmm.
Joaquin also told the investigator that he and video coordinator Tim Collins had decided not to put a female videographer on a lift until midway through practice because it wasn't necessary and "so we would not scare her."
Hmmm.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:40 pm
by Killian
So the head videographer decided to put certain people up in the lifts, and not others. He also had say in how high the lift should have gone.

Yep, all Brian Kelly's fault. Especially considering the fact that he practiced inside the day before, when wind conditions were much worse. I guess it's his job to also be up on all of the IOSHA laws and know the acceptable wind speed guidelines when using a lift.

Hmmmm.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:58 pm
by MuchoBulls
Killian wrote:Yep, all Brian Kelly's fault. Especially considering the fact that he practiced inside the day before, when wind conditions were much worse. I guess it's his job to also be up on all of the IOSHA laws and know the acceptable wind speed guidelines when using a lift.
In all seriousness, shouldn't Kelly have some knowledge about how dangerous the lift is in the wind?

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:24 pm
by Killian
I would think so. But is it anymore than you or I have? I would have no idea what the safe range is for lifts such as those. Also, how many things are parts of your life that you take for granted because they have always been there, and you’ve never questioned them?

Notre Dame is most certainly guilty in not protecting this kid. What I fail to see is how this falls 100% at the feet of Brian Kelly. There are other people within the University who are responsible for the safety of the kids who do the video for the athletic teams. Unless Kelly told the head of the video department, or Sullivan himself, to get up in that lift no matter what, I don’t think the blame should be his alone. I’ll admit that Kelly, along with a host of others, could have done more to prevent this accident. But calling for him to be fired is absurd.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:50 pm
by Mace
Kelly is only responsible in a "the buck stops here" kinda way. If he's concerning himself with micromanaging every small detail that goes along with a practice, he's not a very good football coach. These kinds of responsibilities are delegated to others. I doubt that Kelly checks the gatorade bottle/jugs before practice either. It's too bad the Sullivan kid just didn't refuse to go up in the lift.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:42 pm
by MuchoBulls
Killian wrote:I would think so. But is it anymore than you or I have? I would have no idea what the safe range is for lifts such as those. Also, how many things are parts of your life that you take for granted because they have always been there, and you’ve never questioned them?
The only reason I asked in the first place was because I thought it was common knowledge amongst coaches.

It was about 10 years ago or so I went out with one of our donors to watch a spring practice. There wasn't a cloud in the sky, but it was windy. I'd say the wind was around 20mph with somc egusts hitting over 30 mph. When we arrived at the practice field I noticed that our lift was down and being moved to the corner of the practice field. I asked our equipment guy why they were moving the lift and he said that it shouldn't be up in windy conditions and Coach Leavitt told them to move it and not put it up for that specific practice.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:55 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Killian wrote:I guess it's his job to also be up on all of the IOSHA laws and know the acceptable wind speed guidelines when using a lift.
Yes, that is correct. If he's employing the use of cherry pickers while running practices for HIS football program, he should probably know that. But of course, you're just flailing, spinning and handwringing while circling the wagons. Typical ND. How dare some outsider tell us how to do things? HE DOESN'T KNOW.

Let's see here, because of the Notre Dame football program, indirectly or directly, we have two dead bodies. But yet no one at ND is responsible for either, in Killitard's world.

You're a fucking disgrace.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:59 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Killian wrote:Unless Kelly told the head of the video department, or Sullivan himself, to get up in that lift no matter what, I don’t think the blame should be his alone. I’ll admit that Kelly, along with a host of others, could have done more to prevent this accident. But calling for him to be fired is absurd.
Sorry, tard. It doesn't take the CEO explicitly telling someone to "get up in the lift" to be responsible for his death.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM. WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

ND 0-0 in 2011 (with two dead bodies)

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:01 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Killian wrote:I would think so. But is it anymore than you or I have? I would have no idea what the safe range is for lifts such as those.
Please, re-read this to yourself. I'll give you a chance to admit you're an idiot and take it back. Which you won't because it's just the standard spinning and deflecting from you.

Do you refuse to take responsibility for your own life like you absolve ND and Brian Kelly of theirs?

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:29 pm
by Killian
It’s not spinning, you fucking idiot. Why don’t you break up your reply into a few more posts?

Before this happened, and before ESPN spoon fed you information on scissor lifts, you had no idea the acceptable ranges on when you could and could not use them.

Oh, and the two dead body bullshit, give me a fucking break. You already got your ass beat on the “rape” that happened, so you might not want to bring that up again. One person died as a result of football related activities. That investigation is on going as to where you can place the blame, but like the typical bleeding heart that you are, you’re out casting blame on anyone and everyone in hopes that something sticks, before the facts are revealed. Just like you did when you decided to lap up all that shit you heard on ESPN and the Chicago Tribune about the “rape” at Notre Dame and how they covered it up. Was that the first time you had to type “I stand corrected” or when you had to make it a permanent part of your fucking signature?

How many fucking times does this have to be said to get it through your MAC level skull: those lifts were used by the entire university, for all outdoor sporting events, not just the football team. Brian Kelly wasn’t the one who made the decision to use scissor lifts for the football program. And no, it’s not his fucking job to know the IOSHA guidelines; it’s to know the NCAA guidelines. Others within the university have the responsibility to know the IOSHA laws.

So go back to my question to you: If a factory worker dies at Ford, does Bill Ford Jr. lose his job?

For someone with a shitty journalism degree, I’m amazed that you can’t fucking read. :meds:
Fredo_Michigan wrote: Do you refuse to take responsibility for your own life like you absolve ND and Brian Kelly of theirs?
You just typed this, remember that.

From an hour and a half prior to your stupid post:
Killian wrote: Notre Dame is most certainly guilty in not protecting this kid. What I fail to see is how this falls 100% at the feet of Brian Kelly…….. I’ll admit that Kelly, along with a host of others, could have done more to prevent this accident.
Now use your shitty education to tell me how I absolved ND and Brian Kelly in the above post.

By the way, bolding and changing the font size really does help get your point across.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:52 am
by H4ever
WolverineSteve wrote:Are osha fines paid to the victims?

My guess is the civil suit or settlement will be well into 7 or 8 figures.

OSHA fines are typically appealed down to a paltry, cost of doing business figure.

Sincerely,

Corporate America (and what's more if you keep fining us for being unsafe and injuring and killing employees, we will ship this bitch across the pond to a land of no regulation or safety standards)

But, yea...I hope ND does what is right in this case instead of dragging it out in civil court and delaying closure for the family.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:04 am
by Screw_Michigan
Step aside, H4. State U grad is lecturing those who received "inferior" educations. While apologizing for the school he has no connection with other than while getting penetrated by priests in his youth. Because, you know, that's how...."ND fans"...in metro Detroit roll.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:51 pm
by Dinsdale
Killian wrote:Before this happened, and before ESPN spoon fed you information on scissor lifts, you had no idea the acceptable ranges on when you could and could not use them.

It's obvious you've never had a construction job, or done any work that involved equipment.

The onus of observing any and all safety guidelines falls on whoever in the on-site supervisor at the time. He may or may not delegate some suporvisory roles to assistants, but it's ALWAYS the highest-rank at the site's responsibility to make sure all safety rules are followed.

So, I guess the question here is quite simple -- who was in charge of the jobsite that day?

It really is that simple. There's certainly plenty of secondary blame to go around -- who is reaponsible for training employees/volunteers on proper use of equipment, and things of that nature.

But as far as ultimate finger-pointing -- was Kelley the boss that day, or not? Even if videography is an independent department, they were obviously acting under his supervision, and if he wasn't familiar with the jobsite safety protocalls, he was responsible to see to it that there was someone who was to act as a supervisor.

Whether Sullivan was told to get in the lift or did it of his own volition is irrelevant.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:12 am
by R-Jack
Screw_Michigan wrote:Step aside, H4. State U grad is lecturing those who received "inferior" educations.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but this made me laugh out fucking loud.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:30 pm
by Killian
Screw_Michigan wrote:Step aside, H4. State U grad is lecturing those who received "inferior" educations. While apologizing for the school he has no connection with other than while getting penetrated by priests in his youth. Because, you know, that's how...."ND fans"...in metro Detroit roll.
I received money to go to State, where as you struggled to gain admission to Western Michigan. I find it funny that you think I have no connection to Notre Dame, even though I have been a fan of them since birth.

But keep trying to work that angle. I've heard it all. I'll still root for ND, and you'll still be stupid. And you'll continue to flail away and make nonsense posts.

Make sure you dust off that rejection letter from Michigan. Some day you'll show them they made the wrong choice.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:14 pm
by Bucmonkey
L.O.L.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:45 am
by SoCalTrjn
Notre Dame doctored the videos?

According to the Chicago tribune they did


The university allowed OSHA to view the team’s practice footage, but it did not turn over the tapes because Notre Dame lawyers said it contained “highly proprietary, trade secret information related to the business of college sports,” documents show.

The part they edited is probably the part where Kelly tells him to stay up there just a few more plays

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... ory?page=1

"Despite insisting the weather was uneventful — even beautiful — the day Declan Sullivan toppled to his death last fall while filming football practice, members of the University of Notre Dame athletic department worried about the safety of another student videographer and initially kept her from going up in a lift because of stiff winds, newly released records show."

Brian Kelly was probably fucking her.


http://sportsbybrooks.com/docs-notre-da ... deos-29574




So Kelly kills a videographer, allows a player to commit sexual assault without any consequences and now he will likely turn a blind eye to a player getting a DUI since he has already let the kid off for an under aged drinking citation before
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... rge-032111

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:01 am
by Killian
Good call, fuck stick. Go cry about unfair treatment by the NCAA.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:52 am
by Laxplayer
So Kelly kills a videographer, allows a player to commit sexual assault without any consequences and now he will likely turn a blind eye to a player getting a DUI since he has already let the kid off for an under aged drinking citation before
Here shit head, let me doctor this quote a little for you....

So Petey lets a murderer on the field with his team, allows several players to commit sexual assault/rape without any consequences allows a player who owns the police to beat the living hell out of someone and blames it on his dads death, along with turning a blind eye to players raping women, selling drugs, being ineligible, assaulting people etc..... since he never disciplined anyone why am I trying to make other people and programs look bad when my own still has huge issues?

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:53 am
by SoCalTrjn
Laxplayer wrote:
So Kelly kills a videographer, allows a player to commit sexual assault without any consequences and now he will likely turn a blind eye to a player getting a DUI since he has already let the kid off for an under aged drinking citation before
Here shit head, let me doctor this quote a little for you....

So Petey lets a murderer on the field with his team, allows several players to commit sexual assault/rape without any consequences allows a player who owns the police to beat the living hell out of someone and blames it on his dads death, along with turning a blind eye to players raping women, selling drugs, being ineligible, assaulting people etc..... since he never disciplined anyone why am I trying to make other people and programs look bad when my own still has huge issues?

good thing cocksuckers like yourself dont let the truth get in the way of a good story, that way you can look all those golfers, who youre ass fucking, parents in the eye.

Im sure the above statement is about as true as the one you made above. I know that the school that taught you to molest children is now under srcutiny because the coach they replaced the fat man with is slimy and SECish. He sent a kid up a scissor lift to his death and is allowing his star WR to get mulitiple drinking busts without any punishment. So you lash out at USC because that's what you do, your Holier than thou program is as shady and dirty as most others and still too shitty to win a BCS Bowl.


Lets look at the facts from your tantrum
OJ was a guest of one of the players on the teams father, he was also an alumni and never met any of the players while he was at a team walk through at the stadium, Pete said he didnt know OJ was even there until the walk through was over.
No USC player was ever charged with sexual assault, one girl called her friend, who was a player, and asked him to take her home from a party, she said she thought she had been drugged and sexually assaulted, turned out she had taken drugs but was never assaulted. Another player was accused of rape but when an alibi was provided for the time the rape was supposed to occur, the player wasnt charged and the girl was kicked out of the school for filing a false claim.
A player who was drunk punched someone at a frat party, one punch, who in thise world went through college without punching another drunk person at a frat party?
Pete Carroll didnt cheat, USC wasnt busted for recruiting violations, he didnt film other teams practices or hire people to do the players class work for them. You hate pete because he took a shit on your program, butt fucking them in the mouth nearly every year he was at USC. The ncaa was only able to ever say that he was unaware of illegal benefits given to the step father of a player by agent wannabes who by their own admission never set foot on USCs campus. Even to say that the ncaa needed circumstancial evidence and testimony, that changed several times, of a felon who was trying to blackmail the player before going to the press, and then the ncaa with his story.

but keep calling him cheatey if it makes you sleep better with Murdering and Cheating Kelly at the helm of that alter boy molesting program you love so much.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:12 pm
by Killian
Expound on Kelly and Floyd, dipshit. You can't, you stupid fuck.

Which program is currently on probation? How many BCS championships did Petey win?

So Sanchez getting accused of rape is better than no rape alligations or charges against ND's player?

Go back to sniffing your sons jock strap while your wife fucks you with her strap-on.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:01 pm
by Laxplayer
Why is it that you always go to the homo smack and child molester smack? Something in your past got your BVD's in a bunch?



Pete Carroll was hired as head football coach by USC in 2001.
On August 23, 2001, the NCAA placed USC's athletic department on probation
for two years and cut scholarships because tutors wrote papers for three
athletes in the late 1990s. The events leading to the probation were before
Carroll's time, but I include this for completeness sake.
OJ was a guest of one of the players on the teams father, he was also an alumni and never met any of the players while he was at a team walk through at the stadium, Pete said he didnt know OJ was even there until the walk through was over.
In 2002, the father of USC tailback Justin Fargas invited former USC Heisman
Trophy winner, and alleged double-murderer, O. J. Simpson to a team practice
(he was found not guilty in his criminal trial but was later found liable in
a civil trial). After the practice, Carroll allowed Simpson to come onto the
field and meet the players and pose for pictures. Carroll defends himself
from criticism by claiming that Simpson wasn't invited. In May 2008,
Simpson's ex manager alleged that Simpson admitted to killing Nicole Brown
Simpson.

Wow, looks like there's a different story than yours.

No USC player was ever charged with sexual assault, one girl called her friend, who was a player, and asked him to take her home from a party, she said she thought she had been drugged and sexually assaulted, turned out she had taken drugs but was never assaulted. Another player was accused of rape but when an alibi was provided for the time the rape was supposed to occur, the player wasnt charged and the girl was kicked out of the school for filing a false claim.

On July 19, 2003, USC Sophomore OT Winston Justice pleaded no contest to
solicitation of a prostitute in Long Beach on June 24. Winston was put on 3
years probation and fined $300 for the offense.

On March 3, 2004, Winston Justice was arrested on suspicion of felony
assault with a deadly weapon. On June 15, 2004, Justice pleaded no contest
to exhibition of a replica firearm. Justice was sentenced to 60 days of
electronic monitoring and three years' probation. Justice was also suspended
for two semesters by USC's student affairs committee after his arrest.

Not rape but are you telling me a D-1 athlete has to get a hooker......



In August 2004, USC starting tailback Hershel Dennis was at the center of a
police investigation of an alleged sexual assault. According to sources, the
incident took place at a party on August 16, and involved a female friend of
Dennis. On August 17, Dennis was removed from practice and suspended by
Carroll for "disciplinary reasons," including breaking curfew. On December
13, 2004, the LAPD announced it would not press charges.

This is after Herschel said he just helped her get into bed.......and if you believe that you're a bigger idiot than most know you to be.

I love this gem from you.....
No USC player was ever charged with sexual assault,
here....I'll highlight it for you because you're to GD stupid

In late March 2005, USC starting cornerback Eric Wright was arrested for
investigation of sexual assault. Wright was booked on rape charges and bail
was set at $100,000 according to the Sheriff's Department.
Wright was held
out of spring practice, and, in April 2005, the district attorney declined
to press charged because of insufficient evidence. Nevertheless, on June 2,
2005, Wright left USC amid possible disciplinary action. On August 25,
Wright was suspended by three semesters by USC's student affairs committee,
based upon the district attorney's office having found 136 pills of the drug
Ecstasy in Wright's room at an apartment he shared with another player.
In early

If the DA didn't have enough evidence then why did he leave? How incompetent is the DA to find that many pills in a kids dorm room and say they don't have enough evidence?



April 2005, USC tight end Dominique Bird fractured his jaw during an alleged
altercation with receiver Steve Smith. Bird, Smith and Carroll reportedly
refused to comment on the incident, and no disciplinary action was taken.

Again....no action taken.....


In August 2005, USC defensive end Frostee Rucker allegedly got into a fight
with his girlfriend at a party he was hosting in Los Angeles. In June 2006,
Rucker was charged with two misdemeanor counts of spousal battery and two
counts of vandalism and was scheduled to be arraigned on August 11, 2006.

Wait....now read this asshole....

Despite the incident, Rucker did not face any discipline from USC, and
didn't miss a game.
In May 2007, Rucker pleaded guilty to false imprisonment
and vandalism charges stemming from the 2005 incident. As part of a plea
agreement, the prosecutors dropped a charge of spousal battery and Rucker
was sentenced to three years of probation. Prior to transferring to USC, in
April of 2002, Rucker was charged in Colorado with sexual assault and
indecent exposure. Rucker reportedly eventually accepted a one-year deferred
sentence on a misdemeanor harassment charge.

On August 13, 2005, 10 veteran USC players were involved in a hazing
incident where they shaved the head of freshman quarterback Mark Sanchez.
Also, what started out as a water fight between USC players, escalated into
an all-out brawl as it spiraled out of control. Reportedly, there was
significant damage to the players dorms as players were thrown through
walls.

On October 31, 2005, USC tailback LenDale White played a macabre prank by
pretending to quit the team and throwing a dummy off a building on Child's
Way. Separately, Pete Carroll apologized to Washington State coach Bill Doba
for USC players pushing and bumping Doba while trying to get to the locker
room during halftime of their game.

On November 2, 2005, USC linebacker Rey Maualuga was arrested for
investigation of misdemeanor battery after punching a man at an off-campus
Halloween party (twice, without provocation). A witness at the scene
reportedly quoted Maualuga as stating "I own the police."

Typical Petey here......
Carroll took no disciplinary action, and Maualuga played the following weekend against
Stanford. One USC pundit observed at the time that "discipline is Coach
Carroll's number one weakness."

On November 22, 2005, the city attorney's
office declined to file charges. Maualuga was defended at the court hearing
by controversial and well-connected USC alumni attorney Carmen "Nooch"
Trutanich, who has a long history with USC and previously represented both
Wright and Dennis.

Shocking that these clowns were defended by Trutanich......I wonder how those court appearances went down?

On December 21, 2005, USC starting quarterback Matt Leinart had his
eligibility temporarily revoked after appearing in a promotional segment on
ESPN earlier that month, a violation of an NCAA rule. Leinart was reinstated
shortly thereafter. One observer claims the NCAA was just concerned about
money.

On January 1, 2006, reporters from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and CBS
Sportline reportedly told the USC football team about potential recruiting
violations stemming from visits by USC recruits to Papadakis Taverna, a
Greek restaurant owned by former USC linebacker John Papadakis. As of July
2007, the investigation by USC compliance officials continued.


On January 21, 2006, USC quarterback Matt Leinart was cited by the Pac-10
for working out with his own coach using school facilities. According to the
NCAA, a student athlete cannot utilize the school's facilities to work out
with a coach, unless the coach is affiliated with the university.

On April 21, 2006, the family of USC running back Reggie Bush was implicated
by numerous separate media reports as having lived in a house purchased by a
San Diego-area man with ties to a sports agent and a tribal casino. Both the
Pac-10 and the NCAA have launched an investigation into potential NCAA
violations in connnection with this matter, which is pending. More recent
reports in this fast evolving story are here, here, and here. Yahoo Sports,
which is responsible for much of the investigative reporting on this issue,
has set up a page dedicated to its eight-month probe here.

On April 26, 2006, USC quarterback Mark Sanchez was arrested for
investigation of sexually assaulting a female student earlier that same day.
Sanchez was released upon posting $200,000 bail, and was ordered to appear
in court on May 17, 2006. Sanchez was also placed on "interim suspension" by
USC while the case was pending. On June 2, 2006, the LA District Attorney
announced that it would not be bring charges against Sanchez due to
insufficient evidence.

On April 30, 2006, it was reported that USC compliance officials were
investigating whether an NCAA rule was violated because receiver Dwayne
Jarrett failed to pay approximately $10,000 for his half of the rent for an
upscale apartment he shared with former quarterback Matt Leinart. USC claims
that no rules were violated, though it was initially reported that Jarret
may have to sit out a portion of the 2006-07 season. Jarrett ultimately
avoided punishment and was the 45th pick in the 2007 NFL draft. After a
disappointing season, Jarrett was arrested on March 11, 2008 and charged
with driving under the influence.

In August of 2006, USC defensive back Brandon Ting quit the football team
after reportedly testing postive for steroid use. His twin brother, Ryan,
also a defensive back on the USC football team, quit the team just days
later, claiming that he wanted to concentrate on preparing for medical
school, and was never tested. Interestingly, Arthur Ting, father of the
twins, is a Bay Area orthopedic surgeon who has reportedly appeared as a
witness before a grand jury considering possible perjury charges against
baseball's Barry Bonds, one of Arthur's clients. This incident finally
triggered some real interest by the LA Times.

On August 29, 2006, it was announced that former USC quarterback Matt
Leinart would be having a child out of wedlock with USC basketball player
Brynn Cameron. While not improper in any meaningful way outside of his
personal life, this event begins a long list of embarrassing incidents
involving the former USC star (not to mention other USC quarterbacks).



On December 4, 2006, former USC stand-out, and former Rams rookie, tight end
Dominique Byrd was arrested for allegedly hitting a bar patron in the face
with a drinking glass. Byrd was charged with second- and third-degree
assault and armed criminal action. He was released shortly after posting a
$25,000 bond. In early May, 2008, Byrd was scheduled to go to trial in St.
Louis Circuit Court on felony charges of assault and armed criminal action
stemming from the nightclub scuffle in December 2006. In March 2007, he was
charged with DUI in California. In October 2007, he pleaded no contest to
the DUI charge and received three years' probation. In May 2008, Byrd was
released by the Rams.

In January 2007, a federal investigation into extortion claims by former USC
running back Reggie Bush and his family revealed the existence of taped
converstations that could confirm Bush took cash and gifts while he was
playing football for USC. It was also reported that nearly $280,000 in cash,
rent and gifts were allegedly given to Bush and his family. The information
came to light following the issuance of grand jury subpoenas to multiple
witness by the U.S. District Attorney's office in San Diego. Both the NCAA
and Pac-10 continue to investigate. Also, more recent articles suggest that
Reggie Bush was involved earlier and more deeply than previously reported in
efforts to create the sports marketing agency at the center of the
continuing controversy. The investigation has, to date, yielded no
definitive proof that USC officials had knowledge of Bush's misconduct,
though Bush was nevertheless asked not to attend the Trojans' Rose Bowl
matchup against Michigan on New Year's Day.

On February 2, 2007, it was reported that a "stampede of student athletes,"
including three USC linemen, ex-USC receiver Keary Colbert, and members of
the USC women's basketball, volleyball and water polo teams, had improperly
attempted to take an academic shortcut around the university's foreign
language requirement by signing up for a course at Los Angeles Trade Tech
College taught by USC graduate Senora Ross, who promised to give the
athletes no lower than a "B." Upon discovering the situation, USC officials
disallowed the transfer of credits from Trade Tech.


I thought that $C players didn't cheat.......

On February 8, 2007, it was reported that USC football players had created
and joined a racist Facebook group as a "joke." The racist Facebook group
was called "White Nation," showed a graphic of a swastika and black baby in
handcuffs with the caption "arrest black babies before they become
criminals." The group was created by USC linebacker Clay Matthews and was
joined by teammates David Buehler, Brian Cushing, Dan Deckas and Dallas
Sartz. Coach Pete Carroll responded to reports of the incident by saying he
had no plans to discipline the players, and USC later announced that none of
the players would be punished. According to Carroll, "t's not a
controversy, it's a mistake."


It's a mistake and no disciplinary action would be taken.....wow, way to stand up for what's right there Pete......

On February 9, 2007, USC compliance officials announced they were
investigating whether an NCAA violation occurred during the Trojans' pursuit
of Louisiana prep star running back Joe McKnight. The investigation followed
reports that McKnight had told reporters that USC coach Pete Carroll had set
up a conference call so he and high school coach J.T. Curtis could be
assured by ex-Trojan running back Reggie Bush would not be punished for a
separate NCAA investigation into improper benefits allegedly taken by Bush.
Carroll later denied that any call took place, and Curtis said that McKnight
misspoke. According to NCAA officials, if USC got Bush's help in recruiting
McKnight, it would be considered a "secondary violation" of recruiting
rules.


On November 3, 2007, convicted felon Suge Knight was given a sideline pass
to a USC game. Knight joins O.J. Simpson and Snoop Dogg as USC's esteemed
guests.


Such great role models for the young people in the football program.

On March 2, 2008, USC defensive tackle Fili Moala was arrested for resisting
and obstructing an officer after a melee at a Newport Beach bar was broken
up by police. Moala was released after posting $500 bail, and on March 13,
the Orange County district attorney's office declined to press charges.



Wow, another incident and no charges pressed....how much $$ did this cost the university?

On March 5, 2008, USC recruit Maurice Simmons was arrested for robbery in
Compton, after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a man and demanded his
belongings. Simmons, a linebacker from Dominguez High School, was initially
held at the Los Angeles County jail on $50,000 bail, and then released after
posting bail of $85,000. Simmons was arraigned on March 7, and his
preliminary hearing is scheduled for May 15, 2008. To date, USC has not
indicated whether or not it intends to honor its commitment to Simmons.
Developing.


Another stellar citizen in the program......



On April 6, 2008, USC sophomore tailback Joe McKnight was held out of the
team's scrimmage and it was announced that he would miss the final week of
spring workouts because he was academically ineligible to participate.
McKnight had dropped a class, leaving him without the 12 units required for
eligibility.


What happened here? No classes at LA Trade Tech to help out? No tutors to take the class for him?

You and your school are a joke. At lease Kelley did something to Floyd unlike Petey....look at ND over the last 10 years and they can't even hold a candle to all the bullshit that's gone on at Fig. Tech. Keep grasping at straws though.......

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:26 am
by Screw_Michigan
Killian wrote:I find it funny that you think I have no connection to Notre Dame, even though I have been a fan of them since birth.
Exactly. You have NO connection. Except maybe that priest's finger up your ass you refuse to talk about.

Re: Time to pay up, Irish

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:27 am
by Screw_Michigan
Laxplayer wrote:Here shit head, let me doctor this quote a little for you....

So Petey lets a murderer on the field with his team, allows several players to commit sexual assault/rape without any consequences allows a player who owns the police to beat the living hell out of someone and blames it on his dads death, along with turning a blind eye to players raping women, selling drugs, being ineligible, assaulting people etc..... since he never disciplined anyone why am I trying to make other people and programs look bad when my own still has huge issues?
So Schmick roots for an equally detestable program and yet that absolves ND and BK of the death of Declan Sullivan? Give me a fucking break.