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In short the producer sees the necessary destruction of Christianity and Christians in order to allow the New World Order to reign.

Christians, biblical scholars, and believers of course believe that ultimately, Christ will reign.
We're all sheep I presume.

Anyway, this producer "Knowwheretorun1984" has some interesting vids. This is the first of 3 regarding the genocide that begins in 2012. Others include shedding light and debunking the likes of David Icke, the Zeitgeist Movement, and the bullshit we've been fed about Religion starting wars - as opposed to religion being USED by those seeking to wage war for more power for themselves.

In the end it's a "who the fuck knows" for me, but I do find the content interesting and the "research" conducted appears stimulating.

Thought maybe some would be interested in watching, commenting, especially poptart, always respect your distillation of this type of material.


Parts II and III

I watched the 3 parts, Tom.
Thanks for posting.

25 minutes worth of material - and it might be interesting to take it minute-by-minute and go into the MANY various elements of discussion present in each minute.
There are a lot of things we could talk about.
But I'm just going to give you a broad summary of what I think is important

There is a spiritual world.
Through deep meditation (idol worship), non-believers in Christ can absolutely gain spiritual strength.
They can gain a power and they CAN be 'enlightened' regarding many things.

But because they are worshipping demons, of course they ultimately face tremendous hardship and ultimate devastating failure.

Satan has wanted one thing for humans from the beginning, and he still wants it.
He wants us not to believe God's Word.

Satan (to Adam): Did God REALLY say ...?

The evil one will let us do a lot of things, and he will help us do a lot of things, but what he DESPERATELY wants us NOT to do ----> is believe God's Word.


I don't know God's exact time schedule, so I don't know if 2012 will usher in very ugly things or not.
But I DO know that much more ugly things than what we see now will occur in the future.

Churches are being greatly diminished and destroyed in this age.
The Church is being destroyed by outside forces and by forces within the Body of Christ.
Because people (believers included) are all deceived - just as Peter was deceived in Matthew 17:1-9.
People should really read this passage and understand what it is telling us.

If a Church holds to something other than Christ (Moses (legalism) Elias (mysticism or 'experience') it will ultimately crumble.
Because ONLY Christ destroys the work of destruction that satan has brought upon man, or a man.
That is why God removed Moses and Elias (in that passage) and left ----> only Christ Jesus.

God is God and He will not allow the entire Church to be snuffed out.
As He's always done, He will raise those who realize Christ.
And those who realize Christ will block the destruction.

Christians may be slaughtered, just as the apostles were brutally slaughtered, but nothing will block the Gospel.

And ultimately satan is bound in hell, along with all who choose to follow him.


Winning.

Thanks for the response Poptart, I appreciate it.

A few things.

1. Is meditation, clearing the mind, getting silent and being aware a bad thing ? I don't know if I read your statement correctly, but Christians meditate too ? Christ did, didn't He ?

2. This is where I get lost.

If a Church holds to something other than Christ (Moses (legalism) Elias (mysticism or 'experience') it will ultimately crumble.
Because ONLY Christ destroys the work of destruction that satan has brought upon man, or a man.
That is why God removed Moses and Elias (in that passage) and left ----> only Christ Jesus.

What does that mean, especially within the context of the next statement.

As He's always done, He will raise those who realize Christ.
And those who realize Christ will block the destruction.

"Realize Christ" ? How ? Is it a decision, an emotion, an action, what does it mean ?

For instance, I understand it as being that there was to be NO SALVATION whatsoever unless Christ accepted His lot and fullfilled the Prophecy. Gethsemene, praying that this cup would pass but ultimate submission to the will of the Father.

That we too, are to follow suit and submit ourselves to the will of the Father.

Is that "realizing Christ" ?

Thanks for that astute observation and original means of posting a take Sam.

I never once thought "I might be wrong", in my entire life until you posted that tune. Maybe it was Mr. Thorn's feigned humility, folksy approach, and appeal to authority by dropping Bill Clinton's name.

Should we discuss YOUR arrogance here or in another thread ?

No, it would be arrogant of me to suggest your opinion is wrong. Your arrogance stems from this incessant need you have to criticize others who you presume haven't carefully contemplated these issues and taken a decision to believe or not believe one way or another.

Isn't your wife religious ?

Sudden Sam wrote: Am I arrogant in feeling that all religions are wrong/misguided/ridiculous?

Then why post in the Theology Forum? Atheists sure can be militant and intolerant.

I'll reply to #2 first.

This is what I see ...

Tom wrote:2. This is where I get lost.

poptart wrote:If a Church holds to something other than Christ (Moses (legalism) Elias (mysticism or 'experience') it will ultimately crumble.
Because ONLY Christ destroys the work of destruction that satan has brought upon man, or a man.
That is why God removed Moses and Elias (in that passage) and left ----> only Christ Jesus.

What does that mean, especially within the context of the next statement.

poptart wrote:As He's always done, He will raise those who realize Christ.
And those who realize Christ will block the destruction.

"Realize Christ" ? How ? Is it a decision, an emotion, an action, what does it mean ?

For instance, I understand it as being that there was to be NO SALVATION whatsoever unless Christ accepted His lot and fullfilled the Prophecy. Gethsemene, praying that this cup would pass but ultimate submission to the will of the Father.

That we too, are to follow suit and submit ourselves to the will of the Father.

Is that "realizing Christ" ?

One might deeply think about two (among many similar) things Jesus said to his apostles.
DEEPLY consider.

Matthew 28:18
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 15:5
He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Why did God send Christ?
Reading Genesis 3 (and 1 & 2 along with it is good), one can see why.

Simply put, satan stole everything from mankind - including our life.
And very simply put, a man regains everything if he simply takes the one solution God promised in Genesis 3:15, which is Christ.

Nothing else works.

In Genesis 3, after Adam became separated from God, God told him that the very ground was now cursed and that he would labor, but it would only bring him thorns and thistles - Genesis 3:17,18.
No matter how hard a person strives apart from Christ, it will ultimately bring him nothing.

Many many Churches say, "Christ, Christ, yes, Jesus Christ." - but if you look more closely at them, they are DEEPLY entrenched in Moses and Elias.
Legalism and/or mysticism.

It's satan's playground.
It only brings "thorns and thistles."

Mose was great, but he isn't the Christ.
Same for Elias, Socrates, Buddah, Einstein, ... etc.


Realizing that only Christ works, is the beginning of realizing Christ.

Tom In VA wrote:1. Is meditation, clearing the mind, getting silent and being aware a bad thing ? I don't know if I read your statement correctly, but Christians meditate too ? Christ did, didn't He ?

Looking at what David wrote is good here.

Psalms 1:1-3
[1]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[2] But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[3] And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


Christ is the complete fulfillment of the law (Matthew 5:17) - which we we ought to meditate on day and night.

Meditation on Christ, or God's Word, IS prayer.
That is how we connect to God, and that is how we "prosper."

Meditation on things other than Christ, or God's Word ----> is satan's playground.
One who goes there will find serious difficulties and unhappiness.

Fair enough. This thread, though, presupposes some belief. I assure you, I understand YOUR position. I can accept that your arrogance is born of a true higher intellect and mind than mine, it's OKAY.

I do believe something is "afoot" though, I've struggled with it for many a year. While I have referred to myself as an Agnostic Theist, one who doesn't KNOW but believes in a God - literally, I don't understand how can all be wrong, all be right, or what have you.

This thread, was more because I respect that Poptart, has not only been in your shoes at one point, perhaps mine too, but because he has actually made it a point to read, reflect upon, and meditate on the words in the Bible.




Poptart, I believe Christ was, who he said he was. That enough of a start ?

Sudden Sam wrote:Because my "job" in life is to promote discussion of these matters.

You aren't promoting any type of discussion at all. Quite the opposite.

Wait, you said you post in this forum to promote religious discussion, but you turn around and admit you don't do that in this forum? You're not being honest.

Sudden Sam wrote: No, you suggested that I wasn't promoting any discussion.

And you agreed.

My head hurts.

Tom wrote:Poptart, I believe Christ was, who he said he was. That enough of a start ?

It's a very good thing, yes.