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What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:36 pm
by Goober McTuber
It seems a bit over the line to me. Campus buildings, sure. But outside on publicly-owned land? Non-smoker here, BTW.
(CNN) -- This summer, a group of University of Kentucky students and staff has been patrolling campus grounds -- scouting out any student, employee or visitor lighting a cigarette.

Unlike hall monitors who cite students for bad behavior, the Tobacco-free Take Action! volunteers approach smokers, respectfully ask them to dispose of the cigarette and provide information about quit-smoking resources available on campus.

The University of Kentucky is one of more than 500 college campuses across the country that have enacted 100% smoke-free or tobacco-free policies as of July 1. Although policy enforcement varies from school to school, most prohibit smoking on all campus grounds, including athletic stadiums, restaurants and parking lots.

An increasing number of colleges adopted smoke-free or tobacco-free policies in the past few years, according to American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation Project Manager Liz Williams. In the past year alone, 120 campuses were added to the smoke-free list.

The most successful policies have been grass-roots efforts driven by students and campus employees.

"They typically come about because students and faculty are questioning the role of tobacco in an educational setting and deciding to discourage its use and exposure," Williams said.

About 46 million Americans age 18 and older smoke cigarettes, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A 2010 American College Health Association report found that out of 30,093 students surveyed at 39 colleges, 4.4% had smoked every day in the past 30 days.

Since the first surgeon general report declaring the negative effects of smoking in 1964, smoking has become "socially less acceptable" among people of all ages, especially college students, says Laura Talbott-Forbes, chairwoman of the health association's Alcohol, Tobacco and Other Drugs Coalition.

"There's a very health-conscious, socially aware student that we have on campus these days," she said.

The Smoke-Free Spree

It wasn't until the early 2000s that 100% smoke-free campuses began popping up across the United States.

Ty Patterson, the former vice president of Student Affairs at Ozarks Technical Community College in Springfield, Missouri, says he started the first smoke-free campus in 2003, but the idea was planted in 1999.

"The president came to me and said, 'Ty, we've got problems. You can't get in and out of doorways without going through a corridor of smoke,' " Patterson recalled.

Patterson, who had quit smoking two years prior, set out to find a higher education institution that had managed to eliminate tobacco on campus. To Patterson's dismay, there weren't any.

"When I explained to (schools) what we were thinking about doing, they said ... 'We'd love to be able to do that, but we don't know how,' " he said.

Over the next four years, Patterson developed a policy in which trained staff members held polite conversations with students and faculty who violated the smoking rules. The first violation is a warning. The second and third result in $15 fines or two hours spent picking up tobacco litter. For any further violations, the offender is placed on probation or asked to leave the school.

Although some employees vehemently opposed the policy, Patterson says, no staff member ever reached the third violation, and only two students were placed on probation from the time the school enforced the policy in October 2004.

Ozarks Technical spent more than 3½ years developing the initiative and educating students and staff about the forthcoming policy. However, Patterson -- who has now helped more than 500 schools, hospitals and businesses implement smoking bans as the director of the National Center for Tobacco Policy -- says most campuses today can effectively institute a policy in one year since there's less resistance to the concept than in 2003.

It Really Works

The University of Michigan enacted a smoke-free policy on July 1. Campus officials spent three years researching policies and forming focus groups, committees and surveys to seek student and faculty input.

Since the ban was implemented, school Chief Health Officer Dr. Robert Winfield says, it's uncommon to see smokers anywhere but along city of Ann Arbor sidewalks -- where smoking is permitted. He cited one entrance to the Michigan Union known as a smoker hot spot. When he visited the area recently, he noted, "there wasn't a smoker in sight."

In 2009, the state of Kentucky had one of the highest smoking rates at 25.6%, according to the CDC.

Since the University of Kentucky turned smoke-free in November that year, an increasing number of people have sought tobacco treatment services. In 2008, 33 people enrolled in a tobacco cessation program. After the policy's first year, enrollment rose to 146 people, according to Ellen Hahn, director of UK's Tobacco Policy Research Program. The number of nicotine replacement coupons redeemed by students and faculty also increased from 124 to 470 in the same period.

For smokers visiting the campus, UK offers nicotine cessation products, such as gum or patches, for $5 at several locations.

"We're trying to make it comfortable for people so they don't feel like they have to light up and violate the policy," Hahn said.

Policy Patrol

During the first semester of a smoking ban, Patterson recommends that universities not come down with a heavy fist and instead educate the community about the policy and the negative effects of tobacco.

Nearly two years later, the University of Kentucky still doesn't exercise strict enforcement. "We certainly don't have smoking police," Hahn said.

Instead, smoke-free supporters like senior Melissa McCann, a Tobacco-free Take Action! volunteer, remind smokers of the ban. McCann said the 10 smokers she asked to extinguish their cigarettes this summer all complied.

"In a tobacco state, you might think we'd have more backlash and opposition than we did," said Hahn, explaining that only a few students held a protest the day the policy launched.

Regardless of the health benefits, opponents argue that smoke-free policies infringe on people's rights. Michigan senior Graham Kozak, president of the College Libertarians, says smoking is a "personal choice."

"It's not within the scope of the university's responsibilities to decide that smoking is an activity that we as adults shouldn't engage in," he said.

Jonathan Sternberg, an attorney currently fighting a citywide smoking ban in Springfield, Missouri, says smoking bans "just don't really make sense."

"Any time you tell (people) that they can't do something they want to do, really they're just going to do it anyway. ... All you're doing is encouraging disrespect for authority," Sternberg said.

A Smoke-Free Future

The University of Florida in Gainesville went tobacco-free in July, and Valencia College in Orlando plans to adopt the policy in 2012. This spurred students at Seminole State College of Florida to talk with administrators about following their lead, says Student Government Association President Krizia Capeles.

In response, the association plans to distribute a ballot this fall, in which students will vote for or against a smoking ban.

Patterson predicts that nearly all college campuses in the United States will be 100% smoke-free in 10 years. Talbott-Forbes, too, says it's a possibility -- mentioning how professors once smoked in their offices but can't today.

"We've gone from pushing smoking out of the building ... to now trying to push smoking totally off campus," she said.

Although it may take time to sink in, Hahn said, people eventually "get it."

"They get the idea that tobacco use just isn't accepted here."

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:38 pm
by indyfrisco
Selfish but...

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Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:20 pm
by R-Jack
I get the whole public health thing over second-hand smoke (abelit debateable) and the nuisance factor, but what reasoning do they give for banning tobacco on public land?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:25 pm
by The Seer
If they banned everything that is legal to sell but deemed harmful by whomever, they might as well lock themselves in their dorm rooms.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:44 pm
by Mikey
I think they should ban cellulite.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:14 pm
by BSmack
I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:17 pm
by Goober McTuber
BSmack wrote:I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.
What if your taxes are supporting it and you have reasons for regularly being on campus?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:37 pm
by Goober McTuber
Sorry, Buttsy, but in your case it will be, "you can only eat salads from now on".

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:40 pm
by Screw_Michigan
Goober McTuber wrote:Sorry, Buttsy, but in your case it will be, "you can only eat salads from now on".
RRRRRACK

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:49 pm
by Mikey
Goober McTuber wrote:Sorry, Buttsy, but in your case it will be, "you can only eat salads from now on".
Potato salad with bacon, sausage and chitlin's?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:52 pm
by mvscal
I guess some people just can't mind their own fucking business. These assholes make me want to start smoking just to blow it in their faces and tell them to fuck the fuck off.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:37 pm
by smackaholic
mvscal wrote:I guess some people just can't mind their own fucking business. These assholes make me want to start smoking just to blow it in their faces and tell them to fuck the fuck off.
rack it.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:06 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
I agree this is bullshit. But if something like this is going to be some kind of slippery slope I hope it leads to killing all fat people. Shoot them...well, maybe torture them a little, then shoot them, butcher them, grind them up, and then send them off to the slaughterhouse to get mixed with the animal renderings, and then packaged for pet food. Wouldn't it be great to serve your dog up a nice, scrumptious can of Toddowen?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:21 am
by Carson
What can you say about a state where half the counties still have prohibition?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:39 am
by Truman
BSmack wrote:I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.
Even if said school is partially funded by state tobacco taxes? If anything, I'd think they'd want to encourage their students and faculty to smoke.

Ponderous.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:55 am
by BSmack
Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.
What if your taxes are supporting it and you have reasons for regularly being on campus?
There are always online courses. Right?

The bottom line is that the school is well within its rights to regulate behavior on campus. If you don't like it, you don't have to go there.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:57 am
by MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan
I'm a smoker, and I try to be considerate of non-smokers. I smoke in designated areas and dispose of my butts properly. In public, I try to stand a reasonable distance from doorways and groups of people when I light up. Hell, if I'm already smoking and you walk by, I'll wait until you pass before I take another drag. I understand that the smell of cigarette smoke might be unpleasant to non-smokers, but this is starting to get a little ridiculous. The rhetoric has gotten so out of hand that the surgeon general came out a few years ago and said that there's NO safe level of second-hand smoke. NO safe level? Really? So if I'm smoking 10 feet away from you and you happen to catch a whiff of it, I've actually harmed you? Give me a fucking break. There are safe levels of arsenic in our drinking water, but there's no safe level of second-hand smoke. Suuuuuure.

Either let us keep the few rights we have left or just make smoking illegal already...

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:44 am
by smackaholic
BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.
What if your taxes are supporting it and you have reasons for regularly being on campus?
There are always online courses. Right?

The bottom line is that the school is well within its rights to regulate behavior on campus. If you don't like it, you don't have to go there.
By this line of thought, bar owners should be well within their rights to allow smoking, right? Especially when they can demonstrate that banning smoking causes a serious drop off in their business.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:55 pm
by Goober McTuber
BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:I could give a shit if a school decides what it wants to do on its own grounds. If you don't like it, live off campus.
What if your taxes are supporting it and you have reasons for regularly being on campus?
There are always online courses. Right?
That’s right, you can take all of the same rigorous courses online that you can take in a classroom at Cal-Berkeley. Is that how you’re getting your new “degree”, through some correspondence course? What a disingenuous fucking tard you are.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:59 pm
by BSmack
smackaholic wrote:
BSmack wrote:There are always online courses. Right?

The bottom line is that the school is well within its rights to regulate behavior on campus. If you don't like it, you don't have to go there.
By this line of thought, bar owners should be well within their rights to allow smoking, right? Especially when they can demonstrate that banning smoking causes a serious drop off in their business.
Absolutely. I never agreed with smoking bans in bars. Your business should equal your right to allow whatever legal activity you want to allow. Although it doesn't bother me that much these days. I have a son and am kind of happy that the world my son is growing up into will have a zero tolerance for that nasty habit.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:20 pm
by War Wagon
Zero tolerance?

Must not have been to a casino lately. Most are exempted from smoking bans because the states and cities make a mint in tax revenue, much of it from smokers who wouldn't waste their time or money in a casino if they couldn't smoke while getting fleeced.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:38 pm
by BSmack
War Wagon wrote:Zero tolerance?

Must not have been to a casino lately. Most are exempted from smoking bans because the states and cities make a mint in tax revenue, much of it from smokers who wouldn't waste their time or money in a casino if they couldn't smoke while getting fleeced.
Read what I posted. I said "WILL have a zero tolerance," not "HAS a zero tolerance." Just wait, when the percentage of those who smoke drops below 10%, what few bastions of smoke filled rooms are left will soon disappear.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:11 pm
by Goober McTuber
BSmack wrote:I have a son and am kind of happy that the world my son is growing up into will have a zero tolerance for that nasty habit.
Are you talking about smoking, or sitting in a car in a college parking lot eating Cheetos and jacking off?

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:24 pm
by BSmack
Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:I have a son and am kind of happy that the world my son is growing up into will have a zero tolerance for that nasty habit.
Are you talking about smoking, or sitting in a car in a college parking lot eating Cheetos and jacking off?
Talking about smoking, not Skelly's sexual fantasies. Although now that you mention it, I'd prefer he not see that either.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:29 pm
by Cyrus
Smokes, hand me my smokes.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:05 pm
by smackaholic
the only reason the injun casinos have smoking is they have enough sovreignty (sp) to tell the states to fukk the fukk off.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:47 am
by H4ever
smackaholic wrote:the only reason the injun casinos have smoking is they have enough sovreignty (sp) to tell the states to fukk the fukk off.

I think the Injuns have it made. As for smoking and excise taxes in general, I wish people would lay the fuck off Americans participating in a lawful activity that (in theory) keeps my taxes down some. Just as prohibition backfired in the face of all the big government loving do-gooders back in the day, this misguided war on something that is a cash cow for everyone isn't going to work out so well. Dude at work mail orders his smokes and stogies from Russia or the Ukraine and gloats about he's fucking Uncle Sam and all the tobacco nazis. Said he's moving to Russia as soon as the man starts fucking with his Busch Lite.

Re: What say you, smokers?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:15 am
by smackaholic
pretty fukking sad when you gotta look to russia to get over on overbearing gubmint.

wonder what a good bottle of mail order vodka goes for?