T1B

1) Pass Interference... needs to be a spot foul.

a. After watching the furd once again getting beat on a long pass play.... this time by Arizona... the fat and slow db from furd tackled Criner on a sure TD in the end-zone with just seconds left in the first half and would have gave Arizona a 17-16 lead going into the half.

So, now Arizona is given a 15 yard penalty with just a few seconds left on the clock and have to go another 50 yards to get in the end-zone....???


Unreal...




2) An offensive player is down "without" contact by having his knee touch the ground... ???

a. WTF !!! (This isn't third grade flag football )




Thoughts....

Disagree on the second one. I hate the way defensive P.I. seems to be the second most effective weapon for far too many NFL offenses. Throw it deep? Three things can happen, and two of them are really good. Conversely, if it's offensive P.I., the field position/down and distance swing isn't nearly so drastic. The risk/reward ratio is severely out of whack.

Totally agree with you on the first one. If a receiver simply loses his balance while turning upfield after making a catch, I want him to be allowed to get up and go.

88 wrote:The NFL has its rules. CFB has its own. I'm fine with both.

Really ???

Then why is Tressel "the pimp" not working for the Colts.... for the same amount of time his suspension would have taken place in College Football ???


This should be interesting...

Van wrote:Disagree on the second one. I hate the way defensive P.I. seems to be the second most effective weapon for far too many NFL offenses.

Psst.... Play defense.... and you won't have a problem...

... tackle the receiver and shame on you...

are you trying to take the reality out of football.... get beat and you pay for it

Van wrote: Throw it deep? Three things can happen, and two of them are really good. Conversely, if it's offensive P.I., the field position/down and distance swing isn't nearly so drastic. The risk/reward ratio is severely out of whack.

Vangie.... where would you like the ball be placed on a offensive pass interference call ???

Papa Willie wrote:This is NOT m2,

Really ???

Papa Willie wrote:so I really don't know why you're feeding him.

You sound jealous... are you really that hungry.. tubby ?

Papa Willie wrote:

You look a little light-headed.... blood sugar levels dipping ?


Get some more fried chicken.... and come back with a football take...

m2, like I said, my problem is with the way the NFL handles defensive P.I. I'm fine with how both offensive and defensive P.I. are handled in the college game.

Van wrote:m2, like I said, my problem is with the way the NFL handles defensive P.I. I'm fine with how both offensive and defensive P.I. are handled in the college game.

So, you're cool with a sure catch/TD being brought back 50 yards and a 15 yard penalty ???

There is no other penalty in College Football with such a discrepancy...

Too funny....

you can just make a soccer tweak to the rules, where if you tackle someone with a free run to the goal he's awarded a penalty kick. if someone gets burned and then tackles the receiver to prevent the long td, then spot foul + 15 yards (since presumably the receiver would still be running after the catch); if a defender makes a legitimate play on the ball but ends up with an interference call, then the normal 15-yard penalty. if you don't like the soccer comparison then go with basketball since it has a similar rule.

College officials, as well as NCAA Infractions committees, need to work on consistency in enforcement before they start applying new or changing old rules.

For fucks sake, Pac officials cant call a hold when a DE breaks free on a tackle and is bulldogged to the ground by the tackle before he sacks the QB. Forget the spot of the ball, how about a fucking holding call? Hands outside the numbers=holding

m2,

If you want the rules changed then you need to get on the coaches. They write the rules. These two haven't changed much over the years. The thought behind the down without contact is based on safety. The college coaches have long said they don't want someone who is "down" with out contact to have to watch out for a defender flying at them while trying to stand up. A person trying to stand back up is just as vulnerable as those defenseless receivers.

As for DPI being only 15 yards, coaches don't want 50 yard penalties like in the NFL. You are also incorrect in that there aren't other fouls like this one. See also post scrimmage kick enforcement, or holding behind the LOS. Perfect example was the Utah vs BYU game in which the BYU QB was scrambling and ended up 20 plus yards behind the LOS. At some point one of his OL held inside the 5 yardline to prevent a safety, and the QB was able to then throw the ball away a few seconds later. The penalty was enforced from the previous spot since it was behind the LOS. So instead of half the distance to the goal and it being 2nd down and almost 45 it was second down and 20 from near the 30.

SoCalTrjn wrote:College officials...need to work on consistency in enforcement...

For fucks sake, Pac officials cant call a hold when a DE breaks free on a tackle and is bulldogged to the ground by the tackle before he sacks the QB. Forget the spot of the ball, how about a fucking holding call? Hands outside the numbers=holding

Agree with you on the first point. We need officials that don't answer to a conference, rather we need regional groups.

As for your second point, FAIL. Know the rules before you bitch. Hands outside the numbers do not equal holding. But let me guess, that is how you explained the rule to the linemen you coached. Yeah, right, you told them to grab and hold in tight so it is harder for the officials to see it. Just as an FYI hand outside the FRAME of the body is considered holding in some situations. FRAME of the body is interpreted as not being on the front plane of the defenders body. Meaning if you grab on the side of the player or above the shoulders, etc. The numbers have nothing to do with the rule.

Left Seater wrote:m2,

If you want the rules changed then you need to get on the coaches. They write the rules. These two haven't changed much over the years. The thought behind the down without contact is based on safety. The college coaches have long said they don't want someone who is "down" with out contact to have to watch out for a defender flying at them while trying to stand up. A person trying to stand back up is just as vulnerable as those defenseless receivers.

As for DPI being only 15 yards, coaches don't want 50 yard penalties like in the NFL. You are also incorrect in that there aren't other fouls like this one. See also post scrimmage kick enforcement, or holding behind the LOS. Perfect example was the Utah vs BYU game in which the BYU QB was scrambling and ended up 20 plus yards behind the LOS. At some point one of his OL held inside the 5 yardline to prevent a safety, and the QB was able to then throw the ball away a few seconds later. The penalty was enforced from the previous spot since it was behind the LOS. So instead of half the distance to the goal and it being 2nd down and almost 45 it was second down and 20 from near the 30.

SoCalTrjn wrote:College officials...need to work on consistency in enforcement...

For fucks sake, Pac officials cant call a hold when a DE breaks free on a tackle and is bulldogged to the ground by the tackle before he sacks the QB. Forget the spot of the ball, how about a fucking holding call? Hands outside the numbers=holding

Agree with you on the first point. We need officials that don't answer to a conference, rather we need regional groups.

As for your second point, FAIL. Know the rules before you bitch. Hands outside the numbers do not equal holding. But let me guess, that is how you explained the rule to the linemen you coached. Yeah, right, you told them to grab and hold in tight so it is harder for the officials to see it. Just as an FYI hand outside the FRAME of the body is considered holding in some situations. FRAME of the body is interpreted as not being on the front plane of the defenders body. Meaning if you grab on the side of the player or above the shoulders, etc. The numbers have nothing to do with the rule.

So what you're saying is that if a tackle grabs a hold of a DE ,who has already ran past him, by the neck and shoulders and wrestles him to the ground, its not a hold?
What we teach when blocking is to punch the man in the chest with both hands and then grab him at the numbers keeping your elbows in and drive him to the ground. If your hands get outside of this arms, dont grab.

SoCalTrjn wrote: So what you're saying is that if a tackle grabs a hold of a DE ,who has already ran past him, by the neck and shoulders and wrestles him to the ground, its not a hold?
What we teach when blocking is to punch the man in the chest with both hands and then grab him at the numbers keeping your elbows in and drive him to the ground. If your hands get outside of this arms, dont grab.

Clearly you didn't read. If it is outside the FRAME of the body, ie read the front plane of the defender, it is a foul. Again the numbers have nothing to do with it.

SoCalTrjn wrote: What we teach when blocking is to punch the man in the chest with both hands and then grab him at the numbers keeping your elbows in and drive him to the ground. If your hands get outside of this arms, dont grab.

If that is really true your guys could get tossed for throwing a punch. I have seen exactly what you are teaching, and have seen the kid tossed. You want your guys to stun the defender, but there is no way to get around the fact you are telling them to punch someone which is expressly against the rules.

Pop Warner refs never call it. teach my D linemen to hand fight against it. punch the o linemen in the elbows so he cant get his hands in to your chests.

The only thing that we teach that nobody else does is how to arm bar a ball carrier who tries to stiff arm you

The NFL needs to adopt the college football policy with regards to OT....