So...Who's Left to Play in the MNC Game?

[Van]

How do you figure Stanford's schedule won't allow them to get there, yet Boise's could? Stanford still has 6-1 USC coming off a nationally televised win over everyone's favorite media darlings, then Top Five-ish Oregon, then everyone's favorite media-darling Domers, then the Pac 12 Conference Cash Grab game.

If Stanford runs the table (I don't think they'll beat Oregon) and Okie St loses somewhere, it'll either be Clemson or the Cardinal playing Bama for all the marbles. Because Stanford would have the Heisman winner along with a late-season win over a Top Five or so (by then) Oregon squad, I'd easily give them the nod over a Clemson team whose biggest win will be against...South Carolina? Florida St? Auburn?

Along with the SEC winner Okie St clearly has the inside track right now, but once they fall Stanford is very likely next in line.

[Dinsdale]

LSU vs Oregon rematch.

Yeah, I'm dreaming.

[Van]

Assuming a competitive game on November 5th, I would have little problem with an Alabama-LSU rematch for the BCS title if the SEC winner, Boise St and Houston end up being the only teams to run the table. What other one-loss team would make for a better opponent?

[Mikey]

Stanford? Their schedule won't allow them to get there.

The SECBSHomerism is strong strong with this one.

[Cornhusker]

Now that the prohibitive fave opponent shit the bed against Tuberville Tech (god, what a shitty defense on display, OU), who's left?

Well if you're considering potential OU posters on this board as an example, I'm guessing no one is left. The Great Exodus seems to have arrived. Anyone check the OK City obits? I wonder if Season Over troll was doing side work last night?
Damn, you realize they were a 29 point favorite in some books?
Biggest OU collapse ever? Hey maybe they could figure a way to get Tech to jump the league..but then again Kansas St's still there..

Disclaimer: Moby did a fly-by, rack him...

[Terry in Crapchester]

Stanford? Their schedule won't allow them to get there.

How do you figure Stanford's schedule won't allow them to get there, yet Boise's could?

The SECBSHomerism is strong strong with this one.

Maybe I misinterpreted Sam's comment, but my first interpretation was that he was saying there was no way Stanford would run the table given a schedule that still included USC, Oregon, Cal (rivalry game), ND, and, if they get through that, the Pac-12 championship game (likely against Arizona State). If he was implying that their SOS was too weak to allow them into the championship game, that's a horrible take, particularly considering that he's not saying the same about Boise.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

And then there's the Big12 CG.

There is no Big 12 CG.

And then there's the Big12 CG.

Goddamnit, I said THERE IS NO BIG 12 CG!!!!

:P

[Van]

Stanford - nope. Great team, but USC's lives depend on next weekend.

What lives? They're on probation, in the second year of what everyone knows will be a minimum five-year slide. With the loss of thirty schollies over a three-year span the best they can hope for is to tread water. Win or lose next Saturday, it won't matter a hill of beans to the program.

For all of Lane Kiffin's talk of the USC game being ND's Super Bowl, the fact is that it was USC's too. No one was expecting Kiffin to win the Pac 10 last year or the Pac 12 this year, but what really will put his ass in jeopardy is losing the rivalry games. He has to beat UCLA and ND, and he already fucked up the ND streak. That was an abortion, especially losing in the Coliseum on a night when any decent team would've rolled ND. As poorly as ND played, they were ripe for the taking. Had ND killed USC last night, Kiffin's current contract at USC would've surely been his last.

I really think that may be a tougher game than Stanford may think.

Nah. For one thing, Stanford isn't the media, nor are they their fans. Stanford is a smart, well-coached team that doesn't beat themselves or get caught up in their press clippings.

In case you weren't aware, they just broke the NCAA record for consecutive 25-point wins, and they're also riding the nation's longest winning streak. The point being, they don't have the usual ups and downs of most top teams. These guys simply come to work and take care of business. They aren't prone to penalties, they don't turn the ball over, they eat clock, they make their opponents have to take the long way to the endzone. They're an understated, efficient machine.

On the other side will be a USC squad coming off a roadie back east in what was their most important game of the season. It was also Kiffin's first truly significant win, at least in terms of how he's viewed by the Trojan faithful. USC is not a consistent team, and they're highly reliant on playing with a lot of emotion. You can be nearly certain that they will be relatively flat for the Stanford game, and Stanford will do their usual cool assassin thing and roll up some massive offensive numbers against this sorry-ass USC defense.

I've been intentionally avoiding USC's games in the Pick 'Em of late, but if I was ever going to bet on one of their games again this season, this is the one I'd jump on. I'm telling you, Stanford should demolish them.

Regardless - I just don't think they're going to be able to handle a REALLY pissed off Duck team AT Autzen on 11/12.

Now that's a different story. Oregon seems to have the whole conference's number anyway, and in recent years they simply don't lose at Autzen. I'll be surprised if Stanford's defense is able to handle Oregon's spread. They haven't these past few years, and they won't have the benefit of a bye before traveling to Autzen. As we've seen OOC, it seems the only teams that can handle Oregon are physical teams who've had a lot of extra time to prepare for them. Teams that have to play Oregon on the usual one-week schedule just cannot cope with that clusterfuck, and Stanford has been no exception.

And then there's the Pac12 CG. The fuck? THAT's RIGHT! Somebody gonna have ta play anutter game this year! :D

A worthless exercise. Similar to this year's ridiculous SEC Cash Grab laugher, neither Oregon nor Stanford should even have to play such a pointless game, and it'll be every bit the perfunctory blowout one would expect.

[M2]

Regardless - I just don't think they're going to be able to handle a REALLY pissed off Duck team AT Autzen on 11/12.

Now that's a different story. Oregon seems to have the whole conference's number anyway, and in recent years they simply don't lose at Autzen.

Look, you bumbling idiots.... Stanfurd is playing Oregon in the Bay Area on "the farm." Not in Oregon.

If you spammers would spend more time actually following the game of College Football instead of spewing out the first thing that comes to your tiny little heads you would have already known that.



Stanfurd's going to end up killing Oregon and $C.




Stanfurd has an offensive set where they have three tight ends and then they overload one side. When they run to that side it is like an 18 wheeler coming at you. It just crushes you.

Stanfurd basically has three NFL tight ends, a 1st round OL pick in DeCastro, and massive beef all along the line.

They don't try and trick you with misdirection and they just line up and say "We are going to run the ball. Here it comes. Stop it." Few teams can handle that pressure.

Their offense is very simple. They create a mismatch using size and numbers for their running game using additional OL and tight ends. If you adjust they fake to it and do something else, like throw off play action to a tight end. If you do not adjust, they just keep pounding the running game, even the exact same play, over and over again until you show you can stop it.


They rushed for 446 yards in their 65 to 21 win over #25 Washington.

[Mikey]

Amazing. M2 seems to actually know what he's talking about when he's not an an anti-Snodfart rant.

SC will be little more than a bump in the road. Oregon, on the other hand, will be a significant challenge. Even without a bye week, though, Stanford will be better prepared than they were last year at Autzen where they took a 21-3 lead in the first quarter but turned the ball over a couple of times and were then run ragged by Oregon's offense. To beat Oregon they basically need to score every time they get the ball and keep Oregon out of the end zone a few times.

The Stanford offense has been, if anything, even more efficient this year than last. They've punted 16 times in 7 games and are 9 for 9 on fourth down conversions (vs. Oregon 27 punts and 7 for 13 on fourth down). 100% red zone efficiency (30 TDs and 8 FGs), and only 5 TOs (one on a muffed punt). The interior line has two projected first round picks and the rest, which were considered young and inexperienced at the beginning of the season, have improved with every game.

The team with the (projected) Heisman QB has run the ball more than it has passed and is second in the nation in scoring offense, fourth in scoring DEFENSE. The key to Stanford's game against Oregon will be not just to score on every possession but to keep the offense on the field so the defense doesn't get worn out by halftime. Last year they just scored too fast. This year's offense is geared toward ball control.

And Clemson? Maybe they look good to the fags at ESPN (and shutyomouth). I'd love to see Stanford play Clemson in a playoff for the 2nd MNC berth. Look what they did the cream of the ACC in the Orange Bowl.

[Dinsdale]

I just don't think they're going to be able to handle a REALLY pissed off Duck team AT Autzen on 11/12...

If Stanford shows up at Autzen on 11/12, it will be a really easy win for the Ducks.

...They haven't these past few years

Yeah, except that shootout Stanford won with Gerhart ans Co., the last time Oregon went to Stanford.

You're a mess... just stop.

As we've seen OOC, it seems the only teams that can handle Oregon are physical teams who've had a lot of extra time to prepare for them.

Actually, what we've seen (if we were watching) is that the teams that can handle KellyBall are the ones with reallyreallyreally fast defensive ends, or OLBs in a 3-4.

And the explaination is pretty simple.

[Van]

My bad. Didn't check it myself to see where the Stanford-Oregon game will be played this year. Just took 'Spray's word on faith.

Okay, with the game not being played at Autzen? Hmmm, that certainly changes things a bit. Now I'd call that one a virtual toss-up.

[Go Coogs']

My bad. Didn't check it myself to see where the Stanford-Oregon game will be played this year. Just took 'Spray's word on faith.

Okay, with the game not being played at Autzen? Hmmm, that certainly changes things a bit. Now I'd call that one a virtual toss-up.

You went off something 'Spay posted?

Eject, Van.

[Felix]

If he was implying that their SOS was too weak to allow them into the championship game, that's a horrible take, particularly considering that he's not saying the same about Boise.

apparently you don't read Sammy much.....all Sam ever talks about when it comes to Boise State and the top 10 is their schedule....

[Van]

And rightfully so. All the woulda-coulda-shoulda regarding Boise St will never change the fact that they've compiled their gaudy record while playing in the minor leagues, so who cares what their record is? Compared to what teams in real conferences have to go through in order to run the table or go 11-1, Boise St's record is a farce.

It doesn't matter that Boise St can't do anything about it, or that it's not 'fair.' It is what it is.

[Felix]

And rightfully so. All the woulda-coulda-shoulda regarding Boise St will never change the fact that they've compiled their gaudy record while playing in the minor leagues, so who cares what their record is? Compared to what teams in real conferences have to go through in order to run the table or go 11-1, Boise St's record is a farce.

which gaudy record is that? right now they're 7-0 and based on the computers, year-to-date have played a tougher schedule than Alabama, Stanford and Clemson...you seem to be basing your assessment on who these teams will be playing, rather than who these teams have actually played....and I can see that it really does matter to you and some others, otherwise why would you continually regurgitate the same inane argument over and over again.....

It doesn't matter that Boise St can't do anything about it, or that it's not 'fair.' It is what it is.

but it does matter to you.....btw, given that I'm the only Boise State fan that regularly posts on this board, there must be some posts wherein I stated that Boise State was being given a raw deal or being treated unfairly.....otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass again....

go ahead and link me up to those statements, I'd like to review them....

[Van]

Felix, believe it or not, you're not the only person in the sports firmament who has ever talked about Boise St football. Ever hear of ESPN, national radio shows, local radio shows, printed sports pages, blogs...the internet?

Apparently this may come as some surprise to you but yes, people other than yourself have attempted to make the case that Boise deserves their high rankings and a shot at the BCS title game based on their 12-0 record(s).

Well, no, they don't. The only way they'll ever merit a title shot is if everyone else has two losses.

As to your other pont? Even using SOS so far, well, I'm sorry but this...

Georgia
@Toledo
Tulsa
Nevada
@Fresno St
@Colorado St
Air Force

...is not better than this...

Troy
Wofford
Auburn
Florida St
@Va Tech
Boston College
@Maryland
North Carolina

...or this...

Kent St
@Penn St
North Texas
Arkansas
@Florida
Vandy
@Ole Miss
Tennessee

...never mind the fact that those other teams have yet to face the meat of their schedules while Boise St looks forward to this succession of byes...

@UNLV
TCU
@SDSU
Wyoming
New Mexico

When you talk about computer SOS rankings, keep in mind that those same computers have produced some of the most wildly ridiculous rankings ever conjured, especially early in the season. Also, while Stanford will be playing USC, the Big Game, Oregon, ND, and quite possibly the Pac 12 CCG, Boise St will be playing the likes of UNLV, Wyoming and New Mexico.

That's all there is to it. Boise St's 12-0 and 11-1 records are merely a product of these insanely easy schedules. Plenty of teams would be expected to run the table given those same opponents.

[Felix]

That's all there is to it. Boise St's 12-0 and 11-1 records are merely a product of these insanely easy schedules. Plenty of teams would be expected to run the table given those same opponents.

dude, you're comparing apples and bags of sledgehammers...if the Indianpolis Colts played in the SEC, they'd run the the table every year....that makes about as much sense as what you're saying....sure, if LSU had the same team they do with the schedule that Boise State has, they'd run it without much problem....but if LSU had the schedule Boise does, they wouldn't be getting the four and five star recruits, and if they didn't have those guys, it might not be all that easy for them....

you can't compare big time programs (like LSU or Bama) to a program like Boise State...it's just fucking moronic....

but look hoss, you and Craig James are entitled to your opinions no matter how stupid they are...

Yes but on any given day Boise can, and does, beat teams from major conferences.

do you have a keyboard command to paste this same tired shit over and over?

[Van]

That's all there is to it. Boise St's 12-0 and 11-1 records are merely a product of these insanely easy schedules. Plenty of teams would be expected to run the table given those same opponents.

dude, you're comparing apples and bags of sledgehammers...if the Indianpolis Colts played in the SEC, they'd run the the table every year....that makes about as much sense as what you're saying....sure, if LSU had the same team they do with the schedule that Boise State has, they'd run it without much problem....but if LSU had the schedule Boise does, they wouldn't be getting the four and five star recruits, and if they didn't have those guys, it might not be all that easy for them....

Thank you for proving my point. LSU and teams of that ilk which regularly compete at a very high level in much tougher conferences have better players across the board than Boise St. Minus those better players, why on earth should Boise St be ranked as high as those other teams, much less given a chance to play for their national championship? Their players are simply not as good, their opponents are horrible, and they don't have to pass nearly the same tests before reaching the top of the mountain.

Being a team that plays in the minor leagues, they simply don't deserve to deprive a major league team from the opportunity of playing for the championship.

you can't compare big time programs (like LSU or Bama) to a program like Boise State...it's just fucking moronic....

Exactly, so why are we forced to do just that, predicated on Boise's meaningless W-L record? Until Boise St starts playing a representative schedule, they shouldn't be included in the Top Ten or in any BCS title game discussions.

but look hoss, you and Craig James are entitled to your opinions no matter how stupid they are...

If they're so stupid, why are you echoing them by admitting that Boise St's players simply don't match up to LSU's? What the fuck do you think you're saying there, if not, "Boise St obviously isn't as good as LSU so they shouldn't be ranked anywhere near them."

You just made the analogy of the Indianapolis Colts vs the SEC, using Boise St as the SEC and LSU as the Colts. Well, does LSU get to play for the Super Bowl merely for running the table in the SEC? No, they don't, because they're in the equivalent of the minor leagues compared to teams playing in the NFL. Going 12-0 in the SEC means nothing in comparison to playing an NFL schedule.

Why should it be any different for Boise St?

Yes but on any given day Boise can, and does, beat teams from major conferences.

do you have a keyboard command to paste this same tired shit over and over?

Do you even have a point to make here? It seems that all you ever say is that those of us who don't think Boise St belongs in the discussion do nothing more than make the same arguments over and over. Well, guess what? Yes, we do, and you have no answer for those arguments. Admitting that Boise St's players are not as good as LSU's doesn't help your cause. You do realize that, right?

[Felix]

Thank you for proving my point. LSU and teams of that ilk which regularly compete at a very high level in much tougher conferences have better players across the board than Boise St. Minus those better players, why on earth should Boise St be ranked as high as those other teams, much less given a chance to play for their national championship?

I've already said that BSU probably doesn't deserve to play for a MNC with their schedule....but from the sound of it, you and guys like James don't seem to have much regard for them whatsoever, and that's a little frustrating....

Their players are simply not as good, their opponents are horrible, and they don't have to pass nearly the same tests before reaching the top of the mountain.

Across the board talent wise, you're probably right....but with the work they've put in and the coaching they receive, there are guys playing for Boise State that could probably start for lots of bigger programs....a couple of the offensive linemen, a couple of guys on defense....Kellen Moore and our starting running back would both fit well on lots of teams....

Being a team that plays in the minor leagues, they simply don't deserve to deprive a major league team from the opportunity of playing for the championship.

look I don't know where it is that you've been reading about BSU fans clamoring for a chance to play for a MNC, but most of the BSU fans I know are pretty realistic about where Boise State belongs in the hierarchy of college football....

Exactly, so why are we forced to do just that, predicated on Boise's meaningless W-L record? Until Boise St starts playing a representative schedule, they shouldn't be included in the Top Ten or in any BCS title game discussions.

see, it's this constant "boise state's record is meaningless" mentality that frustrates most BSU fans....it isn't nearly as easy as you seem to think it is....

why are you echoing them by admitting that Boise St's players simply don't match up to LSU's? What the fuck do you think you're saying there, if not, "Boise St obviously isn't as good as LSU so they shouldn't be ranked anywhere near them."

I said Boise State doesn't get the quality of recruits that LSU does, I never said that BSU couldn't match up with them....a strong work ethic and great coaching makes up for a lot of inadequacies that many of Boise State's recruits have coming out of high school.....I've seen decent players coming into the program that left as really really good players, and seen pretty good players coming in, leave as great players...the two receivers BSU graduated last year are perfect examples of guys that were below everybody's radar coming out of high school (neither of them were recruited by any big time programs) but now both are playing in the NFL....them landing in the NFL isn't a product of luck, that's a product of hard work...

You just made the analogy of the Indianapolis Colts vs the SEC, using Boise St as the SEC and LSU as the Colts. Well, does LSU get to play for the Super Bowl merely for running the table in the SEC?

the analogy was used as an example of the talent gap between one of the best college teams, and the worst NFL team....although realistically, Boise State's talent level isn't nearly as far removed from LSU's as LSU's is from the Colts....

Do you even have a point to make here? It seems that all you ever say is that those of us who don't think Boise St belongs in the discussion do nothing more than make the same arguments over and over. Well, guess what? Yes, we do, and you have no answer for those arguments. Admitting that Boise St's players are not as good as LSU's doesn't help your cause. You do realize that, right?

again, I didn't say Boise State's players weren't as good, I said BSU doesn't get the same caliber of recruits....there's a big difference....

but you know what I do find kind of amusing and frustrating at the same time is that you (and people like you) that don't know a fucking thing about Boise State other than what honks like Craig James or Mark May or one of the other BCS conference slobberknockers that really despise Boise State tell you, feel you're capable of assessing the quality of the team...I would think that as a college football fan, you'd have an appreciation for what they've accomplished in such a short period of time rather than continually denigrating them because they don't play the most difficult schedule.....contrary to what you might think, Boise State is no longer the "little team that could", they're big, strong, and fast with a lot of depth at most positions....and I can assure you that while they might not win every game playing in a deeper conference, they would be competitive in every game....there is no team in the country that's capable of steamrolling them if BSU is playing to their full capabilities....

[Van]

Felix, see, the problem there is that when a team has to play a real schedule then they don't get Boise's constant free passes, which means they don't play at their full capabilities week-in, week-out. Boise does, because they're never tested. They can pick and choose when to get up for a game simply because they never really have to. They have one OOC at the beginning of the year and one bowl game, and that's it.

Teams from real conferences have to win despite not being at full strength, either physically or emotionally. Their seasons consist of peaks and valleys. Because of this, they occasionally lose. There is natural attrition.

Boise St? Where is their attrition? They get to play in BCS bowl games precisely because they rarely risk losing during conference play.

see, it's this constant "boise state's record is meaningless" mentality that frustrates most BSU fans....it isn't nearly as easy as you seem to think it is....

Yes, it is. Like you already admitted, plenty of teams could run through Boise's schedule without breaking a sweat. The difference is, only Boise is in that position. Everyone else has to earn their way into a BCS bowl game by risking losses multiple times per season.

[Felix]

jeezus bud, it's gone from

Yes but on any given day Boise can, and does, beat teams from major conferences.

to

LSU would bitch-slap Boise back to Division II, or whatever it is called these days.

You're smoking crack if you think otherwise.

maybe when you typed out the first sentence, you should have put an "except ______(insert teams)" qualifier in there....you know like

"on any given day, Boise State can beat teams from major conferences except LSU and Alabama and Florida and Clemson and Stanford and Oklahoma State and Oklahoma and Michigan State and Arkansas and Oregon and Kansas State and a few others I can't recall right now. But other than those teams, boise state can beat anybody on any given day".....

LSU is a pretty good team, with the chance to be a great team....I guess we'll find out this weekend just how good they are....

you never know how things might potentially shake out....we might get the chance to find out if your assertion is true

[Goober McTuber]

you never know how things might potentially shake out....we might get the chance to find out if your assertion is true

I certainly hope not. Any number of one-loss teams would give Alabama/LSU a better game than an undefeated Boise State would.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I think Boise could "hang" with Bama and LSU. I also think they would be up by more than 6-3 at the half vs Tennessee.

[Van]

Who cares? For Boise St a game against Tennessee would be their Armageddon. For Bama, it's a trap game...which they still won by thirty-one.

So, does anybody want to know what Bama does when they're playing to their full capabilities? You'd be the guy to ask.

Sure, on any given day Boise can play with anybody. On any other given day they can also lose to anybody, especially if they were to play 'anybody' during a four or five-game stretch comprised of games that are all tougher than any they normally see all year playing in the WAC-MWC. Their very best effort would see them losing by thirty to Bama's very best effort, and that's the basic difference in talent between these types of teams.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Who cares?

Apparently Jsc, Felix and Goober do, since they veered the discussion in that direction, so I offered my opinion.

Jesus, calm down. Just because you see the words "Boise State" appear on your screen doesn't mean you need to rush straight into your thesis for the 487th time.

[Van]

No, I meant who cares that Bama only lead Tennessee 6-3 at the half? Besides you, the answer to that one would be "nobody," as evidenced by the fact that no one but you brought it up.

[Goober McTuber]

Who cares?

Apparently Jsc, Felix and Goober do, since they veered the discussion in that direction, so I offered my opinion.

I would rather see Alabama play a one-loss MSU team than an undefeated Boise State team, because I believe MSU could stay within 20 points. Boise State? Doubtful.

[Go Coogs']

How 'bout that Kurt Warner led Arizona team that played in perhaps the worst division in NFL history making it to the Super Bowl? They finished the season 8-8 and nobody believed they belonged in the playoffs, but they got their shot and almost won the entire thing.

You could equate Arizona's division schedule that season to Boise's conference schedule, but Boise will never get that chance b/c of a flawed system. I think its asinine to put psycological evaluations on programs based on their conference schedule with terms like "trap game" vs. "the game of their lives". Bottom line, its whether you win or lose.

Did anyone give Ohio State a chance in 2002? Hell no. You know why? 'Cus they looked like shit in all their wins that season. Nobody was convinced they could hang with Miami, but they did and won.

We've seen both sides of the coin with mid-majors playing BTPCF programs. We saw Utah handle Alabama and we saw Georgia obliterate an overhyped Hawaii team. I think its time we stop earmarking Boise's big non-conference wins as circumstantial and psycologocal. If it is indeed "the game of the season" and for the BTPCF program its "just another game", thats bullshit. If OU, Oregon, Va Tech, and Georgia are 'used' to tha atmosphere of a big game, then they should've handled their business.

In other words, Van, your reasoning for Boise not belonging is complete bullshit.

[Van]

Sorry, Co'og's, not only are you wildly wrong about your tangential point—of course psychology (in this case, motivation driven by circumstance) matters, examples of which I'll be more than happy to point out the next time YOU bring it up when making your picks—but you aren't even addressing the main point: Boise's cupcake-laden schedule means their record is nearly meaningless, at least when compared to those of teams who regularly risk losses during conference play. Playing in the minor leagues, Boise doesn't deserve an opportunity to play for any major-league championships.

Oh, and your Arizona Cardinals analogy simply doesn't wash, the reasons being: 1. The NFL has a playoff system. 2. Arizona did in fact play the majority of their schedule against big-boy competition. On their way to the title game, only six of their nineteen games were against the NFC West. 3. The difference between stronger and weaker NFL teams is infinitely less than what exists between stronger and weaker college football teams, where the gap spans an ocean's breadth.

It's apples and assholes.

[Van]

Sam, yeah, I'm pretty sure this Boise St team would do better in the Pac 12 than this particular Utah team is doing, but I'm also pretty sure that Utah wouldn't be a non-competitive 0-4 in conference play were they still a member of the MWC. On top of that, I'm equally certain that Boise St would not run the table in the Pac 12; not this year, nor during any of the past fifteen years.

[Carson]

Even Notre Dame gets hammered for their SOS.

Deal with it.

[Felix]

Who cares?

Apparently Jsc, Felix and Goober do, since they veered the discussion in that direction, so I offered my opinion.

Jesus, calm down. Just because you see the words "Boise State" appear on your screen doesn't mean you need to rush straight into your thesis for the 487th time.

van''s just fucking with me and has been for awhile....jsc, eh not so much....goobs just likes to jump into a fray so his opinion doesn't really count....

[Goober McTuber]

....goobs just likes to jump into a fray so his opinion doesn't really count....

I guess I’ll just have to take solace in the fact that there’s a shitload of people who share my opinion of Boise State, some of whose opinions just might “count”. Try not to get your feelings hurt.

[Felix]

I guess I’ll just have to take solace in the fact that there’s a shitload of people who share my opinion of Boise State, some of whose opinions just might “count”. Try not to get your feelings hurt.

why would my feelings be hurt....if someone doesn't think they're a quality team, there's nothing I'm going to say that's going to change anyone's mind...it essentially boils down to a simple equation....I think BSU is a good team, you don't-end of story

[Goober McTuber]

I guess I’ll just have to take solace in the fact that there’s a shitload of people who share my opinion of Boise State, some of whose opinions just might “count”. Try not to get your feelings hurt.

why would my feelings be hurt....if someone doesn't think they're a quality team, there's nothing I'm going to say that's going to change anyone's mind...it essentially boils down to a simple equation....I think BSU is a good team, you don't-end of story

Wrong. I think BSU is a very good team. They have earned their BCS appearances. They’ll probably get another this year. But even if they run the table, they don’t belong in the NCG. Not with that schedule. Just put them and Houston in the Fiesta Bowl.

[M Club]

I guess I’ll just have to take solace in the fact that there’s a shitload of people who share my opinion of Boise State, some of whose opinions just might “count”. Try not to get your feelings hurt.

had a few german relatives back in the day who probably said the exact same thing if you replace "boise state" with "jews."

[Felix]

Wrong. I think BSU is a very good team. They have earned their BCS appearances. They’ll probably get another this year. But even if they run the table, they don’t belong in the NCG. Not with that schedule. Just put them and Houston in the Fiesta Bowl.

and I've never said they deserve to be in the mnc discussion......so we're on the same page
I don't see houston making it even if they go undefeated, although it might be an entertaining game that would probably bottom out on the TV ratings scale....

[Dinsdale]

Anyone noticed how well Utah is doing in the Pac12?

In the Ute's defense, if'n I'm not mistaken, the season in which they've made the big jump is also a year where they lost everyone to graduation. Yeah, bluebloods don't suffer the graduation thing as badly, but there again we get into the chicken/egg dealio.

They played at a high level for a long time, and they'll be back soon.

I have a feeling they're going to get shithammered in hoops, though.

[M Club]

Neither Boise State nor Jews deserve a shot at the MNC.

don't worry, michigan will lose at least three games this year.