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Good to see the improvement.

Here's what I really want to see:

LSU vs Stanford or Okie State in the NCG
Alabama vs Boise State in the Sugar

Sudden Sam wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Here's what I really want to see:

LSU vs Stanford or Okie State in the NCG
Alabama vs Boise State in the Sugar

That's a very real possibility. Of course i'd rather play for the title, but, if things don't come to pass, I could live with that matchup.

It's a no win for the Tide, though...or me!

It’s really what you deserve, based on all the harsh words you’ve had for Boise State.

Boise would score a shit load of points against Alabama for sure. That would be a great game.

LSUFREEK is the new Daniel Moore.

Sudden Sam wrote:
That's a very real possibility. Of course i'd rather play for the title, but, if things don't come to pass, I could live with that matchup.

It's a no win situation for the Tide, though...or me!

Tide wins..they shoulda won. Tide loses...it's Utah all over again. And I gotta apologize to Felix for the rest of my life.

:grin:
no apologies would be necessary should those events come to pass.....I'd really enjoy a match-up like that....and sam there's no shame in losing a game to boise state-they are a really good team

lots of football left to be played though, and boise faces their toughest remaining game this weekend against TCU

Boise has a good field goal kicker?

uh no....even the extra points are an adventure/disaster waiting to happen....hopefully we won't have a game that comes down to a field goal or an extra point

Sudden Sam wrote:New scenario I hadn't thought about:

Stanford beats Oregon. They move past Alabama. Tide's at #4.

LSU loses to Arkansas. Okie State loses to Oklahoma.

Two great routes to New Orleans. Just gotta beat Mississippi State and Auburn. Would help if Auburn beats Georgia this weekend, too.

Here's the issue I have with this (and I have had this issue for a while): a team who does not win its conference should not be allowed to play for the National Championship.

Carson wrote:LSUFREEK is the new Daniel Moore.

As always, RACK!!!

The best teams should win their conference

Big East deserves to be picked on right now. No one predicted Cincinnati to win the league, but they are in nice control. Louisville is starting to play better and they'll be a program to watch out for in the next couple of years. Everyone else in the league is playing crappy and very inconsistent.

Let's use your hypotheticals from before. 'Bama, LSU, and Arkansas would be tied if 'Bama and Arkansas won out and LSU only loses to Arkansas. I'd love to see what the BCS numbers would be in this situation and see who represents the SEC in Atlanta.

If Oklahoma won out they'd be right up there as well, but I would give the nod to the SEC West Champion (if they win the SEC Title game) to play Stanford.

I still think there should be a stipulation that you have to win your conference in order to play for the National Championship. If you think that 'Bama should get in despite that, then I believe that pretty much functions as how a playoff would be set up, so why not just have a freaking playoff.

Sudden Sam wrote:

MuchoBulls wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:New scenario I hadn't thought about:

Stanford beats Oregon. They move past Alabama. Tide's at #4.

LSU loses to Arkansas. Okie State loses to Oklahoma.

Two great routes to New Orleans. Just gotta beat Mississippi State and Auburn. Would help if Auburn beats Georgia this weekend, too.

Here's the issue I have with this (and I have had this issue for a while): a team who does not win its conference should not be allowed to play for the National Championship.

Why? If they're one of the best two teams in the country, why shouldn't they?

Best two teams should alweays play for the MNC.

Saying Alabama is one of the two best teams in the country is subjective. They’ve already lost to the “best” team in the country. Let’s give another second best team a shot at them. One that has actually won a conference title.

The top two according to the current beauty pageant rules. Hopefully there is an undefeated team such as Okie State or Stanford, and the voters do the right thing.

Goober McTuber wrote:Let’s give another second best team a shot at them.

listening to the radio honks, they're laying out all of these different scenarios of what might, could, should, shouldn't happen as the regular season winds down...bama players saying we'd love another shot, some sports honks supporting that notion....bama had their shot, in their own house and got beat...I just don't see how you could passover an undefeated Stanford or a one loss oklahoma or oregon(if they can pull the upset over the Cardinal) in favor of a rematch of bama-lsu...i know the SEC is the best conference, but really I have no interest in seeing those two teams play again...

monkey wrench in the works scenario-wtf would happen if georgia wins the SEC East, and beat lsu in the SEC title game?

Felix wrote:monkey wrench in the works scenario-wtf would happen if georgia wins the SEC East, and beat lsu in the SEC title game?

If there is a God, SEC gets shut out of the NCG.

Felix wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Let’s give another second best team a shot at them.

listening to the radio honks, they're laying out all of these different scenarios of what might, could, should, shouldn't happen as the regular season winds down...bama players saying we'd love another shot, some sports honks supporting that notion....bama had their shot, in their own house and got beat...I just don't see how you could passover an undefeated Stanford or a one loss oklahoma or oregon(if they can pull the upset over the Cardinal) in favor of a rematch of bama-lsu...

Why not? In that instance, Oklahoma's one loss was much worse than Bama's, and Oregon's was worse as well. Bama's only loss was to the #1 team in OT, in a game they really should have won were it not for their kickers. I don't think any honest person came away from that game feeling any differently than they did before the game, which was that those are the two best teams by a wide margin. There was next-to-no separation between them before the game, and there still isn't.

And Oregon-LSU is also a rematch, so where's the bargain there?

Van wrote: And Oregon-LSU is also a rematch, so where's the bargain there?

there is no bargain in that scenario, but to be honest, I don't think Oregon can beat Stanford at home....after USC essentially handing the Cardinal the win, I just get the feeling that Stanford is a team of destiny....and to your other point-I'm not so sure there is as big a separation between lsu/bama and the other top teams...at least not based on what I saw last week...great defenses, but the offenses-eh not so much

Well, obviously an undefeated Stanford or Okie St renders moot any talk of an SEC rematch for the title. We're just talking about potential one-loss teams who would be in the running to play LSU for the title.

Here's the pool...

Bama
Oklahoma
Oregon

Really, who else is there? Ped St? Ummm... Va Tech or Clemson?

Nah. It's those three. They're all already highly ranked, and OU and Oregon still have to beat Top Five-ish teams in order to remain in the one-loss running.

So, from among those three, who has the best "body of work," who will have the most support from the humans, and who will have the most support from the computers? I think it'd be close, but I suspect Oklahoma would get the nod simply because the humans would try to avoid handing us a rematch for the title.

Now, what if Arkansas beats LSU? Our realistic pool of one-loss teams would look like this...

Bama
LSU
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Oregon

First off, who gets the SEC CCG nod? Bama cunt-punted Arkansas. LSU squeaked by Bama. Arkansas beat LSU in their own house late in the season, when all the marbles were riding on the outcome.

In that case, I think Bama ends up getting the BCS's highest ranking, which should land them in the CCG as the SEC West's champion. Depending on how Arkansas beat LSU, maybe they get the #2 SEC seed and the invitation to the Sugar Bowl. Either way, we know the Sugar Bowl will take the SEC's one-loss #2, no matter who it is...that is, unless the BCS title game tabs both the SEC's #1 and #2.

In this instance, I see no way that the humans would allow an LSU or Arkansas rematch with Bama for the title. It would then come down to Oregon or Oklahoma, which I still think tips to Oklahoma's favor.

Okay, so how might we actually end up with a Bama-LSU rematch for the title?

Like this...

Oklahoma beats Okie St but loses elsewhere.

Oregon beats Stanford but loses elsewhere.

Now the pool has shrunk to one-loss teams such as Bama, Va Tech, Clemson and Ped St, along with undefeated Boise St and, possibly, Houston. From that list, yeah, Bama probably gets the nod.

Van wrote:And Oregon-LSU is also a rematch, so where's the bargain there?

We get to see Dins self destruct when the Ducks go down to LSU a second time.

Sudden Sam wrote:Bama and LSU were both averaging 39 ppg until that Saturday night. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that.

They both have potent offenses that were coldcocked by incredibly good defenses.

Yep.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Felix wrote: and to your other point-I'm not so sure there is as big a separation between lsu/bama and the other top teams...at least not based on what I saw last week...great defenses, but the offenses-eh not so much

Bama and LSU were both averaging 39 ppg until that Saturday night. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that.

They both have potent offenses that were coldcocked by incredibly good defenses.

I'd have an easier time believing that if I didn't see QBs overthrowing open WRs and open WRs dropping catchable balls. Looks to me like if you smack either one of those offenses in the mouth they come unhinged.

But who else has the ability to smack them in the mouth like that? Ped St is supposed to have a pretty good, tough defense, and Bama went into their house and hung a pretty decent 27 on them. No Big XII teams have a defense anywhere near as rugged as Bama's or LSU's, nor are they any in the ACC, Big 10 or Big East.

That leaves only Stanford and Boise St. Do you seriously believe either of those defenses are in the same league as LSU's or Bama's? No, I think it's safe to say that Bama's and LSU's offenses only get shut down like this by their own defenses. They'll move the ball and score fairly easily on everyone else.

To be fair, the two interceptions thrown by Lee were absolutley horrible passes. Not even close and the defense had nothing to do with it. He choked in a big game. Now compare that to the rest of the season and Lee has been money.

And one more thing, here's a better picture for you, Sam.

Sudden Sam wrote:
Bama and LSU were both averaging 39 ppg until that Saturday night. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that.

They both have potent offenses that were coldcocked by incredibly good defenses.

Oregon scored 27 pts and West Virginia scored 21 on a defense that bama could only manage 6 pts against....

so the question: do you think oregon and west virginia have more offensive firepower than bama?

Oregon? Definitely. WVU? Probably not, no.

The thing is, nobody but LSU is going to hold Bama to six points, and vice versa.

And the bottom line is, if you can't win your conference you don't belong in the NCG. Period.

Goober McTuber wrote:And the bottom line is, if you can't win your conference you don't belong in the NCG. Period.

Disagree. You can't penalize the second best team in the nation just because they happen to play in the same conference as the best team in the nation. I would agree that you can solve a portion of that problem by simply beating that team, but you could lose and still be the second best team in the nation after the regular season is over. That's what Alabama is facing. Now normally, these things have a way of working themselves out and we don't run across that situation, but it could happen.

Goobs, Oklahoma played for the national title following the '03 season despite failing to win the Big XII championship. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nebraska also pull that same trick one year?

Python wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:And the bottom line is, if you can't win your conference you don't belong in the NCG. Period.

Disagree. You can't penalize the second best team in the nation just because they happen to play in the same conference as the best team in the nation.

And again, saying they are the second best team is subjective at best. They've already proved themselves to be no better than second best. I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding here. If Stanford and/or Okie State are undefeated, Alabama does not belong in the NCG. If they both lose a game, then yes, I could justify Alabama vs LSU. I'd feel sorry for LSU, though, because I din't think they will beat them twice. Definitely not a game I'd look forward to.

Van wrote:Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nebraska also pull that same trick one year?

You are correct, Sir. Colorado beat the dog-piss out of Nebraska in the 2001 season finale, 63-35. The Buffs victory over their most-hated rival split the North title and earned them a trip to the Big XII Championship in Dallas by virtue of the head-to-head tie-breaker.

Everyone in the CFB world knew the 'skers were done after being anihilated in Boulder and had no business going to the MNC - everyone, except the faggot BCS computer and its "SOS component". Of course, #1 Miami predictably thrashed the Bugeaters again in the Rose Bowl.

I'll never forget the controversy that led to that match-up, the BCS honks out-front trying to defend their product, and the renewed outrage for a playoff to determine a true champion in the months that followed that game. And it you think about it... Nebraska has never truly recovered its national prominence since losing to the Buffs in Boulder. We'll see how Pelini fares this year.

Truman wrote:

Van wrote:Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nebraska also pull that same trick one year?

You are correct, Sir. Colorado beat the dog-piss out of Nebraska in the 2001 season finale, 63-35. The Buffs victory over their most-hated rival split the North title and earned them a trip to the Big XII Championship in Dallas by virtue of the head-to-head tie-breaker.

Everyone in the CFB world knew the 'skers were done after being anihilated in Boulder and had no business going to the MNC - everyone, except the faggot BCS computer and its "SOS component". Of course, #1 Miami predictably thrashed the Bugeaters again in the Rose Bowl.

I'll never forget the controversy that led to that match-up, the BCS honks out-front trying to defend their product, and the renewed outrage for a playoff to determine a true champion in the months that followed that game. And it you think about it... Nebraska has never truly recovered its national prominence since losing to the Buffs in Boulder. We'll see how Pelini fares this year.

Colorado didn't help out anti-BCS fans or playoff enthusiasts that season by getting completely outclassed in the Fiesta Bowl by a very good Oregon team with Joey Harrington....after being a few % points from being in the BCS game. But, that game wasn't even close. and if Major Applewhite plays the whole game (after Chris Simms gift-wrapped 21 first half points for CU), Texas beats CU in Dallas handily imo. Barnett almost blows that game with an absurd fake punt that UT returns for a TD late as well. that CU team along with the OU team that lost to Boise are probably the two weakest Big XII champs of the 00's (OU was ranked between about 15-20 all year until crawling into the top 10 after winning the Big XII Championship game). KSU team that upsets OU in 03....but hey.

King Crimson wrote:that CU team along with the OU team that lost to Boise are probably the two weakest Big XII champs of the 00's (OU was ranked between about 15-20 all year until crawling into the top 10 after winning the Big XII Championship game). KSU team that upsets OU in 03....but hey.

You OU-types crack me up. I've had this argument with Orc before. If Mizzou had gone 11-3, won the conference, and played in a BCS game, they'd be hosting annual parades in Columbia commemorating that year's team.

Let's review:
You got jobbed by the refs at Autzen and lost by one freaking point;
You lost to your blood rival in an annual game where the proverbial records are always tossed out the window;
And you lost to a BCS up-and-comer on a trick play in overtime.

You were never ranked all that high because with only 9 seniors, there were no expectations for OU that year. Yeah, yeah, I know: By OU standards. Not like you lost by a point to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl - as we did that year....

Truman wrote:

King Crimson wrote:that CU team along with the OU team that lost to Boise are probably the two weakest Big XII champs of the 00's (OU was ranked between about 15-20 all year until crawling into the top 10 after winning the Big XII Championship game). KSU team that upsets OU in 03....but hey.

You OU-types crack me up. I've had this argument with Orc before. If Mizzou had gone 11-3, won the conference, and played in a BCS game, they'd be hosting annual parades in Columbia commemorating that year's team.

Let's review:
You got jobbed by the refs at Autzen and lost by one freaking point;
You lost to your blood rival in an annual game where the proverbial records are always tossed out the window;
And you lost to a BCS up-and-comer on a trick play in overtime.

You were never ranked all that high because with only 9 seniors, there were no expectations for OU that year. Yeah, yeah, I know: By OU standards. Not like you lost by a point to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl - as we did that year....

i don't see how any of this changes that OU was a weak Big XII champion. Adrian Peterson gets hurt against ISU, is out most of the year. Texas beats OU by 3 scores....and until their D gets decimated by injuries and a fluky KSU win in Manhattan is the best team in the conference. if MU can stop the run at all, you beat us in Columbia. if Fran has the balls to go for it with Toombs on 4th and short, ATM wins at Kyle. OU beats Callahan in the Big XII championship game, woop dee do. Venables is blitzing from everywhere all year to cover up OU's youth at DB....which Boise sees on tape with a month to prepare. Boise was a good team, that's not the point. smoke and mirrors and Allen Patrick wins OU the conference title (and Texas losing). a guy demoted to WR playing QB and a special teams/DB as your "feature back" most of the year. with an OL made of FR's and SO's.

i don't mean to diminish that team. i loved Paul Thompson....and helluva coaching job by the staff.

Truman wrote:Everyone in the CFB world knew the 'skers were done after being anihilated in Boulder and had no business going to the MNC - everyone, except the faggot BCS computer and its "SOS component". Of course, #1 Miami predictably thrashed the Bugeaters again in the Rose Bowl.

They had the gall to change the rules during the season to keep Oregon out of that championship game.

Dinsdale wrote:

Truman wrote:Everyone in the CFB world knew the 'skers were done after being anihilated in Boulder and had no business going to the MNC - everyone, except the faggot BCS computer and its "SOS component". Of course, #1 Miami predictably thrashed the Bugeaters again in the Rose Bowl.

They had the gall to change the rules during the season to keep Oregon out of that championship game.

this is some classic homerism here from the guy who defends the blown on-side kick call by Pac 10 refs in the OU-UO game saying "OU should have stopped Dennis Dixon". not to mention the unreal "PI" call on the last drive. rah rah rah Ducks.

you have no principles Dins. quit pretending you have some "scoreboard" machismo about that game. you've outed yourself. maybe if you wanted to play for the BCS title and not cry about it, you shouldn't have lost a game in the reg season. one or the other, isn't it?