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Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:41 am
by Cornhusker
POWER SOURCE NO. 4: BROKEN PROMISES
FBS football programs are limited to 85 scholarship players and 25 initial scholarships per season. That hasn't stopped SEC schools from "over-signing."
Houston Nutt once signed 37 players to a recruiting class. Saban once signed 32.
How do SEC coaches get below the scholarship limits? Some players transfer or quit. Some fail academically or take medical hardships.
But the student-athlete doesn't always make the decision. Sometimes a coach flat-out yanks a scholarship from an underperforming player or recruit, essentially kicking him out of school. It's like promising Christmas presents to four kids, then buying three.
Over-signing enables SEC coaches to minimize the damage of poor talent evaluation. It's representative of the SEC culture, Terry Bowden said.
"If the rules allow you to over-sign, the SEC is going to take it to the extreme to make sure nobody has an advantage over them," Bowden said.
Last summer, the SEC announced new legislation that restricts over-signing. From a public relations standpoint, it's a smart move. But from a competitive standpoint, DiNardo said, it's a mistake.
"That will hurt them."


This is the single most advantage the SEC has had along with jobs for mom or dad (.. I'm looking at you Petrino = worm). I wonder how many kids that could have played for a non- FBS team ended up in limbo due to the "promises of stardom" from a lying maggot.
Next time I see Dirk I'll need to remind him his 4th point was not only valid, but extremely minimized in his piece.

I know a number of NU fans that scratch their head at the dead weight on scholarship, that stay on the team for 4 years and never or barely see the field. In this competitive environment 4 or 5 of those guys can cost you dearly, but Osborne and the administration hold to their promise to kids. Been that way since I can remember, and that's a damn long time.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:42 am
by War Wagon
Good article, the OWH is a fine newspaper, but how disgusting that a college football coach can drag down more than an NFL coach. It's beyond ridiculous. The OWS fools should be occupying campuses, demanding these coaches help pay back their student loans.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:23 am
by Carson
Cornhusker wrote:Sometimes a coach flat-out yanks a scholarship from an underperforming player or recruit, essentially kicking him out of school.
So if a kid is permanently suspended for "violation of team rules"(i.e. weed), they should get to keep their scholly?

Uh, no.

A coach who would pull a scholarship just to make room for possible better talent would also lose credibility with recruits AND their high school coaches.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:53 pm
by Cornhusker
Carson wrote:
Cornhusker wrote:Sometimes a coach flat-out yanks a scholarship from an underperforming player or recruit, essentially kicking him out of school.
So if a kid is permanently suspended for "violation of team rules"(i.e. weed), they should get to keep their scholly?

Uh, no.
The point wasn't about violations or attrition, i.e. grades, (do they keep classroom scores in the SEC? :o ) it was pulling a scholly just to make room for a potentially better player..the author used the term "underperforming."
This is an underlying reason to over-sign, something the SEC has done in bulk.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:51 pm
by Carson
You conveniently edited out my third line.

A coach would be committing recruiting suicide if he did that.

Even Saban knows when to say when.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:54 pm
by Dinsdale
Carson wrote:You conveniently edited out my third line.

A coach would be committing recruiting suicide if he did that.

Even Saban knows when to say when.

Uhm, you realize that real-life facts and numbers render you completely full of shit, right?

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:55 pm
by Carson
I'll leave the "real-life facts and numbers" link for you to find.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:11 pm
by Dinsdale
Carson wrote:I'll leave the "real-life facts and numbers" link for you to find.

Really?

How about we start with This one?

:fuckingfacepalm:

I'm sure we can come up with a few hundred others, if that one doesn't do it for you.

You're clowning, bro.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:02 pm
by Carson
There is not a single example of a coach "flat-out" taking away a scholarship in that article, just an unrelated quote from one of the self-absorbed Bowden Boys.

Oversigning is not taking away scholarships; it's hedging against failures to qualify or kids opting out for baseball and such.

Your move, Emmet Kelly.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:09 pm
by Mace
Carson wrote:There is not a single example of a coach "flat-out" taking away a scholarship in that article, just an unrelated quote from one of the self-absorbed Bowden Boys.

Oversigning is not taking away scholarships; it's hedging against failures to qualify or kids opting out for baseball and such.

Your move, Emmet Kelly.
Bullfuckingshit. Take your lips off of the SEC cock.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:17 pm
by Van
Nick Saban is chuckling at Carson's naiveté.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:19 pm
by Mace
Van wrote:Nick Saban is chuckling at Carson's naivete.
And Darwin is chuckling at his stupidity and thinking they'll be hooking up very soon.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:23 pm
by Carson
The Nativity's got nothing to do with it. :wink:

I'm still waiting for that specific example of a coach telling a player "You suck so bad, I'm kicking you to the curb for a high school kid."

At least Sabot keeps them on the payroll in school.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:24 pm
by Dinsdale
Of course -- signing 37 schollies when you only have 25 to give doesn't equate to "taking away a schollie."

The SECers are doing themselves proud today.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:32 pm
by Cornhusker
Dinsdale wrote:Of course -- signing 37 schollies when you only have 25 to give doesn't equate to "taking away a schollie."

The SECers are doing themselves proud today.
Well you're forgetting 12 of those guys will probably get pinched for smoking dope or under-aged drinking, so just in case, you need to over-sign. Forget about recruiting to character. Just get 'em in here and we'll weed 'em out later.

Re: How the SEC came to rule college football

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:03 pm
by Python
Or choking their ex-girlfriend or stealing laptops.