Re: 88 or Jsc or both.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:01 am
88, Jsc...
Did you forgot to invite Moving Sale?
Did you forgot to invite Moving Sale?
As you might have guessed, Georgia's SOS wasn't particularly impressed by Obongo's "letter."88 wrote:Seems like a case that cries out for an extraordinary writ rather than a letter to the Secretary of State and a "fuck you" to the ALJ.
Michael Jablonski
260 Brighton Road, NE
Atlanta, Georgia 30309
michael.jablonski@comcast.com
RE: Georgia Presidential Preference Primary Hearings
Dear Mr. Jablonski:
I received your letter expressing your concerns with the manner in which the Office of State Administrative Hearings ("OSAH") has handled the candidate challenges involving your client and advising me that you and your client will "suspend" participation in the administrative proceeding. While I regret that you do not feel that the proceedings are appropriate, my referral of this matter to an administrative law judge at OSAH was in keeping with Georgia law, and specifically O.C.G.A. ยง 21-2-5.
As you are aware, OSAH Rule 616-1-2-.17 cited in your letter only applies to parties to a hearing. As the referring agency, the Secretary of State's Office is not a party to the candidate challenge hearings scheduled for tomorrow. To the extent a request to withdraw the case referral is procedurally available, I do not believe such a request would be judicious given the hearing is set for tomorrow morning.
In following the procedures set forth in the Georgia Election Code, I expect the administrative law judge to report his findings to me after his full consideration of the evidence and law. Upon receipt of the report, I will fully and fairly review the entire record and initial decision of the administrative law judge. Anything you and your client place in the record in response to the challenge will be beneficial to my review of the initial decision; however, if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.
I certainly appreciate you contacting me about your concerns, and thank you for your attention to this
matter.
Sincerely,
Brian P. Kemp
Georgia Secretary of State
You are a lying Racist POS.mvscal wrote:Hmmm. Let's see if I've got this straight here, a couple weeks ago when [Fatty McChinjizz] suggested that, under certain extraordinary circumstances, he might consider ignoring a court ruling...
You stupid black cock sucking trog, there is a huge difference between ignoring a subpoena issued by a Georgia State Administrative Law Judge when you live in DC and refusing to enforce a USSC ruling made by five Justices.Fast forward a couple weeks and now [President Obama] has done more than merely consider ingoring a court ruling, he has actually done so ...
88 wrote:What happens if the Georgia agency determines that Obama's name cannot appear on the ballot? What is his lawyer, who has everything under control, going to do? Go to federal court and argue that a matter of state law was wrongly decided by a state tribunal, which Obama's own attorneys had an opportunity to participate in but chose not to do so? Maybe he can get a state court to overrule the agency. But it is generally difficult to file a civil action against a state agency when you were served with papers and provide due notice of a state court proceeding. Why not participate and appeal from any adverse decision? You need to explain to me how Obama's lawyer has this under control.
Orly
88 wrote:Obama's crack legal team didn't give the State of Georgia many options, did it? But I think you have a point. If the judge weighs the evidence produced by Obama's legal team that establishes his eligibility to be listed on the ballot (I'll go ahead and put all of it between these two brackets [ ]) against the evidence produced by the wackos during the hearing that there are reasons to doubt whether the candidate is a U.S. citizen, and based on that evidence recommends that the candidate should not appear on the ballot, the Obama team will not pursue direct legal remedies (which they've already take a pass on) but rather will attack the judge and anyone affiliated with the ruling as a crackpot, liar, racist, nutjob, biased, bigot etc.Bizzarofelice wrote:So you think the state of Georgia wants to be looked upon much as educated folks view Orly Taitz? Good luck with that.
Probably not. They would have to prove that either Obluegums wasn't born in Hawaii or that he isn't a natural born citizen because his father wasn't a citizen. It's a tough row to hoe even if you aren't a tard.88 wrote:That sounds like it must have been a serious goat-fuck of a hearing. I wonder whether Obama's crack legal team would have handled it differently if the attorney representing the petitioners actually knew how to practice law?
The worst part of that was that Oily Taint apparently didn't even try to qualify her "experts." Or if she did, she didn't have even the foggiest clue how to go about doing it.88 wrote:True. But in reading the decision, it is my impression that the judge did not give any weight to the opinions provided by the witnesses primarily because the attorney didn't take the steps necessary to establish that the witnesses were experts on the subject matter of their testimony. This is accomplished by having a witness explain his/her educational background, experience, licensure, etc. in order to establish a foundation that the witness is an expert in the particular field, and that the court should give credibility to the testimony provided. I gather that nothing of this sort occurred. And that might be because the witnesses are not experts. But it sounds more like bad lawyering.mvscal wrote:Probably not. They would have to prove that either Obluegums wasn't born in Hawaii or that he isn't a natural born citizen because his father wasn't a citizen. It's a tough row to hoe even if you aren't a tard.88 wrote:That sounds like it must have been a serious goat-fuck of a hearing. I wonder whether Obama's crack legal team would have handled it differently if the attorney representing the petitioners actually knew how to practice law?
If there truly was something fishy about the Social Security Number or the image of the birth certificate, I suspect that there wouldn't be too much difficulty properly qualifying someone as an expert in the respective fields and then asking their opinions regarding the reliability of the papers submitted by the candidate. Questioned document experts are presented at trials all the time.
Terry in Crapchester wrote:(parenthetically,)
And there are "wanted" subpoenas ?poptart wrote:The world would be a far better place is all unwanted subpoenas
were simply tossed in the trash.
It also allows a witness who wants to testify to get off work for a day. Many employers won't allow them to take time off from work without a subpoena.Jsc810 wrote:Oh yeah, sure there are wanted subpoenas.Derron wrote:And there are "wanted" subpoenas ?
Consider a witness who is willing to testify, but doesn't want others to know that he is willing. A subpoena allows him the "excuse" that he had no choice, he was forced to do it. I've been such a witness myself, and have had such witnesses at trials.