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Confessions of an Ivy League Frat Boy:
Inside Dartmouth's Hazing Abuses

A Dartmouth degree is a ticket to the top - but first you may
have to get puked on by your drunken friends and wallow in
human filth




Andrew Lohse visits the Dartmouth campus where he has come forward to report on the significant hazing practices
taking place at fraternities.



http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/new ... s-20120328




The article was interesting, but I had trouble giving a fuck about the pricks involved...

...the wealthy status conscious preppies who are finding out that making a college choice on those qualities alone may not have been such a good idea.


And even when these pricks are self destructing they're obnoxious about it...

"at other schools they play beer pong, but at dartmouth we drink five times as much."

a. so what

and

b. no you fucking don't !!!


I could find a dozen other small remote east coast colleges that party just as hard... they just don't eat "vomlets" and assume they're bound for upper management at Goldman Sachs.


What a bunch of twits...




The original title of the piece should have been... "Now will you pay attention to me, Dad!"

M2 wrote:

"at other schools they play beer pong, but at dartmouth we drink five times as much."

Find me a group of binge drinkers at ANY school who don't offer up similar paeans to their own alleged awesomeness. In any group there will grow myths of the group's own exceptionalism. I saw it at SUNY Geneseo and Oswego and I'm sure any other insular system will produce the same results.

BSmack wrote:

M2 wrote:

"at other schools they play beer pong, but at dartmouth we drink five times as much."

Find me a group of binge drinkers at ANY school who don't offer up similar paeans to their own alleged awesomeness. In any group there will grow myths of the group's own exceptionalism. I saw it at SUNY Geneseo and Oswego and I'm sure any other insular system will produce the same results.

I don't have to offer up any paeans. I went to the University of Wisconsin.

Or don't rush a frat. It's as simple as that.

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:Find me a group of binge drinkers at ANY school who don't offer up similar paeans to their own alleged awesomeness. In any group there will grow myths of the group's own exceptionalism. I saw it at SUNY Geneseo and Oswego and I'm sure any other insular system will produce the same results.

I don't have to offer up any paeans. I went to the University of Wisconsin.

And that means what? Have they developed the antidote for Pancrewagistitis?

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:Find me a group of binge drinkers at ANY school who don't offer up similar paeans to their own alleged awesomeness. In any group there will grow myths of the group's own exceptionalism. I saw it at SUNY Geneseo and Oswego and I'm sure any other insular system will produce the same results.

I don't have to offer up any paeans. I went to the University of Wisconsin.

And that means what? Have they developed the antidote for Pancrewagistitis?

Yes. It's called "building up a tolerance". (There's another crumb for you, Dinsy.)

Goober McTuber wrote:Yes. It's called "building up a tolerance". (There's another crumb for you, Dinsy.)

I laughed. Or should I say my liver circa 1990 laughed. College kids do what they do. You weren't special either.

BSmack wrote:College kids do what they do. You weren't special either.

Nonsense. And I still am.

UW-Madison is consistently ranked among the top party schools. (Don't know if I've ever seen a SUNY school mentioned.) I remember the year Playboy neglected to rank Wisconsin in their Top 10 Party Schools. Some Wisky students contacted the magazine to complain. They replied, "We don't rank professionals."

Goober McTuber wrote:I remember the year Playboy neglected to rank Wisconsin in their Top 10 Party Schools. Some Wisky students contacted the magazine to complain. They replied, "We don't rank professionals."

x 1 billion

Go fuck yourself, idiot.

M2 wrote:I could find a dozen other small remote east coast colleges that party just as hard... they just don't eat "vomlets" and assume they're bound for upper management at Goldman Sachs.

Obviously you lucked out and found a school where they fed you "cumlets" and assumed you were bound for the nearest carnival or circus.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I remember the year Playboy neglected to rank Wisconsin in their Top 10 Party Schools. Some Wisky students contacted the magazine to complain. They replied, "We don't rank professionals."

x 1 billion

Go fuck yourself, idiot.

Actually. I just looked back at the last 5 years and they were Top 10 every year.

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:College kids do what they do. You weren't special either.

Nonsense. And I still am.

UW-Madison is consistently ranked among the top party schools. (Don't know if I've ever seen a SUNY school mentioned.) I remember the year Playboy neglected to rank Wisconsin in their Top 10 Party Schools. Some Wisky students contacted the magazine to complain. They replied, "We don't rank professionals."

I remember that too. Playboy said that it wasn't fair to include Wisconsin because they were in a class by themselves.

And how exactly does one rank a school? What sort of measurable data do they use.

It's a bunch of bullshit. All large state schools will have massive partying. Smaller private ones may or may not have a handle on it. Pretty much any place outside of the service academies is going to have kids attempting to put 1 or more internal organ into failure.

One can claim 'bode over others is ridiculous.

smackaholic wrote:And how exactly does one rank a school? What sort of measurable data do they use.

Rape.

Guess I'm glad that I found a peer group that wanted to do as few or as many drugs as I did.

Papa Willie wrote:Glad you're back, fucker.

And you're back do doing what you do best: nutsack riding.

Mace wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:College kids do what they do. You weren't special either.

Nonsense. And I still am.

UW-Madison is consistently ranked among the top party schools. (Don't know if I've ever seen a SUNY school mentioned.) I remember the year Playboy neglected to rank Wisconsin in their Top 10 Party Schools. Some Wisky students contacted the magazine to complain. They replied, "We don't rank professionals."

I remember that too. Playboy said that it wasn't fair to include Wisconsin because they were in a class by themselves.

It's an old urban legend, but it's well-earned.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Or don't rush a frat. It's as simple as that.

Therein lies the rub.


It's rather apparent that you didn't read the article which may take just a little over 5 minutes to do. Trust me, it really isn't that taxing. It's mentioned multiply times in the article... the importance of joining a frat (Greek) system while attending Dartmouth College.

Since you don't have 5 minutes to spare... I'll help you out a bit.

"The fraternities here have a tremendous sense of entitlement – a different entitlement than you find at Harvard or other Ivy League schools," says Michael Bronski, a Dartmouth professor of women's and gender studies. "Their members are secure that they have bright futures, and they just don't care. I actually see the culture as being predicated on hazing. There's a level of violence at the heart of it that would be completely unacceptable anywhere else, but here, it's just the way things are."

Within the Ivy League, Dartmouth is considered the most "corporate" of the schools, with a reputation for sending graduates to Wall Street and the upper echelons of the corporate world. Statistics show that roughly a quarter of each graduating class find jobs in finance and business – a figure many students consider low, given Dartmouth's prominent ties to its Wall Street alumni, who often come back to campus to recruit. "I've been at our house when a senior partner from a financial-services firm and a chief recruiter from someplace like Bain are standing around drinking with us as we haze our pledges," says senior Nathan Gusdorf.

That attitude of inherent entitlement often carries over after graduation. "One of the few dependable ways into the one percent is via these elite feeder systems, like Dartmouth," says David Rothkopf, a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the author of Power Inc., which examines the influence wielded by multinational corporations in the global era. "These schools are about their role as networked conduits to the top as much as they are about education."

The rub... here it comes...

Or, as one of Lohse's SAE brothers puts it: "Having a 3.7 and being the president of a hard-guy frat is far more valuable than having a 4.0 and being independent when it comes to going to a place like Goldman Sachs. And that corporate milieu mirrors the fraternity culture."

M2 wrote:It's rather apparent that you didn't read the article which may take just a little over 5 minutes to do.

No I didn't, but I did read the article after I posted that. Simple enough: If you have any integrity (and value anything other than solely being a corporate titan), transfer out of Dartmouth.

M2 wrote: The rub... here it comes...

Jew hates WASP.

We get it.

Is this what it takes for you to string together a few coherent sentences, Milton? A paroxysm of your cultural insecurity?

Screw_Michigan wrote:
If you have any integrity (and value anything other than solely being a corporate titan), transfer out of Dartmouth.

This is the reason the 'Nantucket Reds' turdlets go to Dartmouth.

A true bro, Lohse adds, can also drink inhuman amounts of beer, vomit profusely and keep on going, and perform a number of other hard-partying feats – Dartmouth provided the real-life inspiration for Animal House – that most people, including virtually all of Lohse's high school friends, would find astounding. This, like the high salaries that Dartmouth graduates command – the sixth-highest in the country, according to the most recent estimates – is a point of pride. "We win," is how one of Lohse's former buddies puts it.

Martyred wrote:Jew hates WASP.

We get it.

Is this what it takes for you to string together a few coherent sentences, Milton? A paroxysm of your cultural insecurity?

Good thing there's no Jews in this group...

This did not go over well. At a college where two-thirds of the upperclassmen are members of Greek houses, fraternities essentially control the social life on campus. To criticize Dartmouth's frats, which date back more than 150 years, is tantamount to criticizing Dartmouth itself, the smallest and most insular school in the Ivy League. Nestled on a picturesque campus in tiny Hanover, New Hampshire, the college has produced a long list of celebrated alumni – among them two Treasury secretaries (Timothy Geithner, '83, and Henry Paulson Jr., '68), a Labor secretary (Robert Reich, '68) and a hefty sampling of the one percent (including the CEOs of GE, eBay and Freddie Mac, and the former chairman of the Carlyle Group). Many of these titans of industry are products of the fraternity culture: Billionaire hedge-fund manager Stephen Mandel, who chairs Dartmouth's board of trustees, was a brother in Psi Upsilon, the oldest fraternity on campus. Jeffery Immelt, the CEO of GE, was a Phi Delt, as were a number of other prominent trustees, among them Morgan Stanley senior adviser R. Bradford Evans, billionaire oilman Trevor Rees-Jones and venture capitalist William W. Helman IV. Hank Paulson belonged to Lohse's fraternity, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, or SAE.

You French Upper Messicans... are a funny bunch.

M2 wrote:Good thing there's no Jews in this group...

I was referring to you, Schlomo.

Papa Willie wrote:
And Milton - is this your way of saying "Life" is always hazing you?

I think it's his way of saying that drunk frat boys give him a boner

Papa Willie wrote: Milton

Belly laughing.

!zzubevol wrote:

Papa Willie wrote: Milton

Belly laughing.

We'd prefer to see you belly dancing.

regurgitated mud shark/arab cock joke circa 2007 goes *here*

Nice to see you're still among the living. Where are you located these days?

Hiya Goobs, likewise. What's good , what's new ?
NE Africa.

!zzubevol wrote:NE Africa.

Tell Annie I said hi.

!zzubevol wrote:NE Africa.

So you are still chasing Arab cock. Rack your persistence.

All is good up here in God's Country. Nothing new but another crop of grey hairs.

Goober McTuber wrote:So you are still chasing Arab cock. Rack your persistence.

All is good up here in God's Country. Nothing new but another crop of grey hairs.

Rack your predictability.
ps: this may help, old man.


ps: Python, you mean she's not community organizing for Obammer ?

A lovebuzz sighting?

Nice!

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31330

Hiya Van !

are we posting random links or would you like me to actually read that thing and procure some insight ?

ps: http://youtu.be/WJiCUdLBxuI

Not a random link at all. I posted it here to give you a head's up regarding an old discussion about the 'buzzer. Thought you might find it amusing to read what some of us had to say about you, especially since nearly all of it was flowery praise for your irreverent awesomeness.

As always, a big fan. Hope life is treating you well, and welcome back.

Now that buzzer's back, which troll will disappear?

Please please tardhusker please...