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Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:27 pm
by Goober McTuber
Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.
It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted.
We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.
The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.
When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.
“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.
It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.
The post-McGovern Democratic Party, by contrast, while losing the bulk of its conservative Dixiecrat contingent in the decades after the civil rights revolution, has retained a more diverse base. Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post.
What happened? Of course, there were larger forces at work beyond the realignment of the South. They included the mobilization of social conservatives after the 1973Roe v. Wade decision, the anti-tax movement launched in 1978 by California’s Proposition 13, the rise of conservative talk radio after a congressional pay raise in 1989, and the emergence of Fox News and right-wing blogs. But the real move to the bedrock right starts with two names: Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist.
From the day he entered Congress in 1979, Gingrich had a strategy to create a Republican majority in the House: convincing voters that the institution was so corrupt that anyone would be better than the incumbents, especially those in the Democratic majority. It took him 16 years, but by bringing ethics charges against Democratic leaders; provoking them into overreactions that enraged Republicans and united them to vote against Democratic initiatives; exploiting scandals to create even more public disgust with politicians; and then recruiting GOP candidates around the country to run against Washington, Democrats and Congress, Gingrich accomplished his goal.
Ironically, after becoming speaker, Gingrich wanted to enhance Congress’s reputation and was content to compromise with President Bill Clinton when it served his interests. But the forces Gingrich unleashed destroyed whatever comity existed across party lines, activated an extreme and virulently anti-Washington base — most recently represented by tea party activists — and helped drive moderate Republicans out of Congress. (Some of his progeny, elected in the early 1990s, moved to the Senate and polarized its culture in the same way.)
Norquist, meanwhile, founded Americans for Tax Reform in 1985 and rolled out his Taxpayer Protection Pledge the following year. The pledge, which binds its signers to never support a tax increase (that includes closing tax loopholes), had been signed as of last year by 238 of the 242 House Republicans and 41 of the 47 GOP senators, according to ATR. The Norquist tax pledge has led to other pledges, on issues such as climate change, that create additional litmus tests that box in moderates and make cross-party coalitions nearly impossible. For Republicans concerned about a primary challenge from the right, the failure to sign such pledges is simply too risky.
Today, thanks to the GOP, compromise has gone out the window in Washington. In the first two years of the Obama administration, nearly every presidential initiative met with vehement, rancorous and unanimous Republican opposition in the House and the Senate, followed by efforts to delegitimize the results and repeal the policies. The filibuster, once relegated to a handful of major national issues in a given Congress, became a routine weapon of obstruction, applied even to widely supported bills or presidential nominations. And Republicans in the Senate have abused the confirmation process to block any and every nominee to posts such as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, solely to keep laws that were legitimately enacted from being implemented.
In the third and now fourth years of the Obama presidency, divided government has produced something closer to complete gridlock than we have ever seen in our time in Washington, with partisan divides even leading last year to America’s first credit downgrade.
On financial stabilization and economic recovery, on deficits and debt, on climate change and health-care reform, Republicans have been the force behind the widening ideological gaps and the strategic use of partisanship. In the presidential campaign and in Congress, GOP leaders have embraced fanciful policies on taxes and spending, kowtowing to their party’s most strident voices.
Republicans often dismiss nonpartisan analyses of the nature of problems and the impact of policies when those assessments don’t fit their ideology. In the face of the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression, the party’s leaders and their outside acolytes insisted on obeisance to a supply-side view of economic growth — thus fulfilling Norquist’s pledge — while ignoring contrary considerations.
The results can border on the absurd: In early 2009, several of the eight Republican co-sponsors of a bipartisan health-care reform plan dropped their support; by early 2010, the others had turned on their own proposal so that there would be zero GOP backing for any bill that came within a mile of Obama’s reform initiative. As one co-sponsor, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), told The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein: “I liked it because it was bipartisan. I wouldn’t have voted for it.”
And seven Republican co-sponsors of a Senate resolution to create a debt-reduction panel voted in January 2010 against their own resolution, solely to keep it from getting to the 60-vote threshold Republicans demanded and thus denying the president a seeming victory.
This attitude filters down far deeper than the party leadership. Rank-and-file GOP voters endorse the strategy that the party’s elites have adopted, eschewing compromise to solve problems and insisting on principle, even if it leads to gridlock. Democratic voters, by contrast, along with self-identified independents, are more likely to favor deal-making over deadlock.
Democrats are hardly blameless, and they have their own extreme wing and their own predilection for hardball politics. But these tendencies do not routinely veer outside the normal bounds of robust politics. If anything, under the presidencies of Clinton and Obama, the Democrats have become more of a status-quo party. They are centrist protectors of government, reluctantly willing to revamp programs and trim retirement and health benefits to maintain its central commitments in the face of fiscal pressures.
No doubt, Democrats were not exactly warm and fuzzy toward George W. Bush during his presidency. But recall that they worked hand in glove with the Republican president on the No Child Left Behind Act, provided crucial votes in the Senate for his tax cuts, joined with Republicans for all the steps taken after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and supplied the key votes for the Bush administration’s financial bailout at the height of the economic crisis in 2008. The difference is striking.
The GOP’s evolution has become too much for some longtime Republicans. Former senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraskacalled his party “irresponsible” in an interview with the Financial Times in August, at the height of the debt-ceiling battle. “I think the Republican Party is captive to political movements that are very ideological, that are very narrow,” he said. “I’ve never seen so much intolerance as I see today in American politics.”
And Mike Lofgren, a veteran Republican congressional staffer, wrote an anguished diatribe last year about why he was ending his career on the Hill after nearly three decades. “The Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe,” he wrote on the Truthout Web site.
Shortly before Rep. West went off the rails with his accusations of communism in the Democratic Party, political scientists Keith Poole and Howard Rosenthal, who have long tracked historical trends in political polarization, said their studies of congressional votes found that Republicans are now more conservative than they have been in more than a century. Their data show a dramatic uptick in polarization, mostly caused by the sharp rightward move of the GOP.
If our democracy is to regain its health and vitality, the culture and ideological center of the Republican Party must change. In the short run, without a massive (and unlikely) across-the-board rejection of the GOP at the polls, that will not happen. If anything, Washington’s ideological divide will probably grow after the 2012 elections.
In the House, some of the remaining centrist and conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats have been targeted for extinction by redistricting, while even ardent tea party Republicans, such as freshman Rep. Alan Nunnelee (Miss.), have faced primary challenges from the right for being too accommodationist. And Mitt Romney’s rhetoric and positions offer no indication that he would govern differently if his party captures the White House and both chambers of Congress.
We understand the values of mainstream journalists, including the effort to report both sides of a story. But a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality. If the political dynamics of Washington are unlikely to change anytime soon, at least we should change the way that reality is portrayed to the public.
Our advice to the press: Don’t seek professional safety through the even-handed, unfiltered presentation of opposing views. Which politician is telling the truth? Who is taking hostages, at what risks and to what ends?
Also, stop lending legitimacy to Senate filibusters by treating a 60-vote hurdle as routine. The framers certainly didn’t intend it to be. Report individual senators’ abusive use of holds and identify every time the minority party uses a filibuster to kill a bill or nomination with majority support.
Look ahead to the likely consequences of voters’ choices in the November elections. How would the candidates govern? What could they accomplish? What differences can people expect from a unified Republican or Democratic government, or one divided between the parties?
In the end, while the press can make certain political choices understandable, it is up to voters to decide. If they can punish ideological extremism at the polls and look skeptically upon candidates who profess to reject all dialogue and bargaining with opponents, then an insurgent outlier party will have some impetus to return to the center. Otherwise, our politics will get worse before it gets better.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... print.html
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:33 pm
by Mikey
Commie.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:56 pm
by mvscal
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm
by Truman
I Know You Are But What Am I?
Let’s just say it: The Democrats are the problem
In a high-profile essay in the Washington Post, think tank scholars Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein declared that the current morass in Washington can almost entirely be laid at the feet of the GOP.
“The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics,” they wrote. “It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”
But just take a look at the number one issue facing America domestically: our looming entitlement crisis. If we don’t radically change our entitlement programs and put them on a sustainable course, our country is in deep, catastrophic trouble. We face in the neighborhood of $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. That’s trillion with a “t.”
In terms of getting our fiscal house in order, nothing even comes close to entitlement reform. Defense, foreign aid, the bridge to nowhere, taxes on the rich — it’s all just noise. The entitlement programs, especially Medicare, are where the money is at. But what has the Democratic leadership proposed — on paper — to fix our long-term debt problem that is serious and even the slightest bit politically risky? I can’t think of a single thing.
Mann and Ornstein suggest that while the Democrats aren’t exactly perfect, in the end they are all basically just “centrist protectors of government, reluctantly willing to revamp programs and trim retirement and health benefits to maintain its central commitments in the face of fiscal pressures.”
There is nothing centrist about this. It is radical when what threatens our national long-term prosperity and solvency is exactly what the Democrats steadfastly refuse to consider touching. In fact, they apparently oppose such reform enthusiastically.
In a Wall Street Journal review of Robert Draper’s new book on the current Congress, ABC News’ Jonathan Karl summarized how the Democratic House caucus was prepared to oppose serious entitlement reform that was supposed to be part of the “Grand Bargain” President Obama was working on with Speaker of the House John Boehner in summer 2011 (it was not, of course, released on paper):
“In ‘Do Not Ask What Good We Do,’ Robert Draper vividly describes a closed-door caucus meeting of House Democrats just after the world learned about Mr. Obama’s secret talks with Mr. Boehner,” Karl writes.
“Nancy Pelosi prepared her fellow House Democrats to go to battle against the president. She told them she would deliver the message directly to the White House the next day. ‘Do I have your permission,’ Ms. Pelosi, her voice rising, asked her fellow Democrats, ‘to go over there and say, ‘We’re not cutting Medicare, we’re not cutting Social Security?’ The party rank-and-file ‘applauded wildly,’ Mr. Draper says.”
If you are confused by the he said-she said debates on this issue, my advice is to simply follow the courage. Who has proposed a solution that isn’t likely to help them at the polls? Only the GOP.
Nearly the entire Republican House chamber twice voted in favor of House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” budget plan. The plan is not politically advantageous to the GOP. It tackles what is widely considered the third rail of American politics — Medicare. Old people vote and conventional wisdom dictates that they don’t particularly like it when politicos touch their sacred program. But without touching Medicare, no fiscal fix is worth a damn.
In the fall, the Democrats will demagogue the GOP’s noble effort to reform entitlements by saying, as they already have, that Republicans want to kill grandma. Several House GOP members may lose their seats because of their vote for the Ryan plan — it could even potentially condemn Mitt Romney to defeat. As far as I can see, there is no obvious political advantage in supporting serious Medicare reform — only the benefit of knowing you did the right thing to help save this country.
And what of the Democrats? Every single one voted against the Ryan plan. Not a single serious proposal to fix our long-term fiscal situation has been supported by Democratic leaders. Most recently, the president was seen prancing around the country promoting the Buffett Rule on millionaires, which may make some in his base feel good but doesn’t even qualify for the laugh test, never mind pass it, as a serious proposal to fix our budgetary problems.
That’s what the Democrats are offering: political gimmickry. And for this, Ornstein and Mann essentially say they are the reasonable party. Meanwhile, the GOP has at least tried to address our looming fiscal crisis (even if I think they could have gone further). It’s worth repeating: nearly the entire House put their name on a politically risky proposal in order to save us from going over the fiscal cliff! In return, two high profile think tank intellectuals call the GOP legislators the radical ones.
Am I missing something here?
Sure, as Ornstein and Mann note, the GOP may use the filibuster too loosely. But the Democrats have been big practitioners of it as well, especially when they were in the Senate minority. And, by the way, who began the politicization of presidential nominees, particularly judicial nominees? The Democrats! Remember Ronald Reagan’s nomination of Robert Bork for the Supreme Court? Apparently Mann and Ornstein don’t.
Despite what you hear from a certain class of foreign policy intellectual that America is in decline and China is on the rise, the fact of the matter is we are far and away the best positioned country to lead the 21st century. We just need to make some critical reforms, the most important of which is serious entitlement reform to get us on a sustainable fiscal path.
So far, Mann and Ornstein’s much more sensible party has refused to seriously address that issue. Only the GOP’s “radicals” have been willing to make the tough calls — and do so on the record
Read more:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/01/thedc ... z1urcILNjQ
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:55 pm
by Sirfindafold
Liberals melting like the cheese dripping out of McGoober's snatch during her yearly douche.
.....and its only May.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:29 am
by Dan Vogel
Right now I think it is the republicans problem. In president Obamas first two years he had democrat majority and was able to get things done. And the economy was making nice progress. Now since 2010 elections he lost majority and the republicans block everything he wants to do. So now we can see the economy has gotten worse again since then. Anyone can notice it. Everything is no with them. It's sad. He can't move things forward until he has majority again I guess.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:18 pm
by Left Seater
So you are saying the economy was better in 2009 than it is today?
Glad that was the case for you but it hasn't been for most of the country.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:31 pm
by Goober McTuber
Left Seater wrote:So you are saying the economy was better in 2009 than it is today?
Glad that was the case for you but it hasn't been for most of the country.
Dan did just get a pay cut, you know.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:27 pm
by bradhusker
Dan Vogel wrote:Right now I think it is the republicans problem. In president Obamas first two years he had democrat majority and was able to get things done. And the economy was making nice progress. Now since 2010 elections he lost majority and the republicans block everything he wants to do. So now we can see the economy has gotten worse again since then. Anyone can notice it. Everything is no with them. It's sad. He can't move things forward until he has majority again I guess.
Dan, "everything is no with them"? Dan, where are you from? Because where I am from, when my credit card has 16 trillion in debt? I say no, and cut it up. IN FACT, any normal human being would say NO to that kind of reckless spending.
You said Obama got things done when he had the majority back in 08 and 09? WHAT exactly did he get done that was beneficial? Massive health care overhaul? NOT beneficial. IN FACT, its destructive. AND, unconstitutional. Financial experts NOW say this federal takeover of healthcare would triple the existing national debt.
GOT THINGS DONE?
DAN, you do realize that Obama is moving us backward? More federal government control is "regressive", its backward thinking. You are aware of this? are you not?
Obama is not moving us forward, he is taking us backward to a time when we did not have liberty and freedom. The bigger the government grows, the lesser the rights of the individual.
Its a FACT. Our founding fathers wrote about it. You must have slept thru history.
The democrats are the problem. They have no intention of stopping spending, BUT they do want to raise taxes. The problem with that is, raising taxes is a RED HERRING a RUSE, it will not even put a dent in our defecit.
Democrats will NEVER cut spending and entitlements, WHY? Because when they give free money away, it automatically gets them votes
and keeps them in power. And to me, that is plain evil.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:25 pm
by Sirfindafold
Without opening the link, I'm guessing most of these jobs are government bureaucrats, IRS Agents and the like.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:53 pm
by Bizzarofelice
i'm not reading all that
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:14 pm
by Mikey
Papa Willie wrote:. Why not state how much better it was under Reagan?
Was it?
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:37 pm
by Mikey
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:39 pm
by mvscal
Jsc810 wrote:Yet nothing you wrote begins to refute the facts in the article.
I believe that you are "assuming facts which are not in evidence."
I found this assertion/blatant lie particularly amusing:
So why the high unemployment rate? Largely because of public-sector job cuts.
You remain a comical idiot. Maybe one day you will begin to grasp the fundamentals of critical reasoning.
Jsc810 wrote:The economy did great under Clinton,
...after Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House and shoved a balanced budget up Billigula's ass. Amazing how one the few budget surpluses in the last 50 years followed the passaged of several years of balanced budgets.
I guess passing budgets whether they're balanced or not has become passe in DC. We haven't had a Federal budget in over three years now. Do you consider that fiscally responsible behavior?
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:26 am
by bradhusker
Jsc810 wrote:Yet nothing you wrote begins to refute the facts in the article.
Merely saying that you don't like the author doesn't mean that the author's article isn't true.
Sorry Jsc, She is on current tv. You lost all your credibility. Try again.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:38 am
by bradhusker
Jsc810 wrote:If you want to oppose her article, feel free to do so.
You're welcome to just say 'I don't like the author and therefore I don't believe her,' which is essentially what you've done thus far. In terms of providing an effective opposition, however, that is insufficient.
This really shouldn't be much of a surprise. The economy did great under Clinton, went south under Bush, and is now coming back under Obama.
Gosh, what if she's right?
Clinton had the huge benefit of the internet bubble of the 90's. That bubble burst by the time G W took over. So, those so-called jobs which Clinton created? Not real, since they dissapeared a few years later.
Obama is a ruse. I agree with him about raising the taxes on the very wealthy. BUT, he is a BIG liar on raising taxes on the rest of us. MEANING, he is going to raise taxes on the middle class, BUT wont admit it.
TO me, this makes him the biggest scumbag on earth.
ALL THIS TIME Obama talks about helping the middle class. YET, how can you do this by raising their taxes? YOU CANT.
Obama will never cut spending in ANY meaningful way either. HE CANT. Its the only way democrats can retain power. They MUST continue to cut free money to the poor. This guarentees their votes.
Its a classic "catch 22" situation.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:56 pm
by Mikey
bradhusker wrote: Clinton had the huge benefit of the internet bubble of the 90's. That bubble burst by the time G W took over. So, those so-called jobs which Clinton created? Not real, since they dissapeared a few years later.
Presidents don't "create" jobs, dickhead.
Besides, all those jobs were created by Al Gore.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:14 pm
by bradhusker
Mikey wrote:bradhusker wrote: Clinton had the huge benefit of the internet bubble of the 90's. That bubble burst by the time G W took over. So, those so-called jobs which Clinton created? Not real, since they dissapeared a few years later.
Presidents don't "create" jobs, dickhead.
Besides, all those jobs were created by Al Gore.
Im using the democrats OWN WORDS vagina face.
I know they dont create jobs, OK? Jobs created during his presidency, pussy hole.
BOTTOM LINE? they were phoney, seeing how they ceased to exist in a very short timespan.
got it now?
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:52 pm
by mvscal
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:58 am
by Diego in Seattle
If we're lucky, you'll meet the same demise as the warden.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:11 am
by bradhusker
Diego in Seattle wrote:If we're lucky, you'll meet the same demise as the warden.
yes, but if we're very lucky? You'll be thrown into a room full of sodomites.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:22 pm
by Goober McTuber
bradhusker wrote:Diego in Seattle wrote:If we're lucky, you'll meet the same demise as the warden.
yes, but if we're very lucky? You'll be thrown into a room full of sodomites.
I think that would make Diego's day.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:14 pm
by Goober McTuber
Papa Willie wrote:You're the one who just said he spent Friday nights "entertaining" a 10 year old. Sick old bastard.
Of course I get to regularly spend time with my grandchild. You’ll have to clear such visits with Tyrone or Leroy or whichever large black man is, at that time, servicing your ex.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:46 pm
by bradhusker
Goober McTuber wrote:bradhusker wrote:Diego in Seattle wrote:If we're lucky, you'll meet the same demise as the warden.
yes, but if we're very lucky? You'll be thrown into a room full of sodomites.
I think that would make Diego's day.
I wouldnt be so sure of that Goob, if you recall, the warden put a bullet in his skull, didnt feel a thing. Being thrown into a room full of sodomites? Correct me if I am mistaken, BUT thats gotta hurt worse than giving birth. agreed?
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:24 pm
by LTS TRN 2
It's as honest and accurate a revelation as any as to the utter default of the GOP into hysterical and frenzied fear mongering, with absolutely no plans at all except to attack the "liberals." It's embarrassing regardless of one's nominal politics to see the American democratic process being hijacked by a bunch of moronic gargoyles.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:36 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
ME NOT UNDERSTAND DELICATE SYSTEM OF "CHECKS & BALANCES"...WHAT THIS 'democracy' YOU SPEAK?
ME ONLY UNDERSTAND SHINY MONEY STAY IN POCKET AND MAN NOT KISS MAN.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:41 am
by War Wagon
LTS TRN 2 wrote:It's as honest and accurate a revelation as any as to the utter default of the GOP into hysterical and frenzied fear mongering, with absolutely no plans at all except to attack the "liberals." It's embarrassing regardless of one's nominal politics to see the American democratic process being hijacked by a bunch of moronic gargoyles.
It's no different than it has ever been and the democratic process still works just fine. Voters, as always, will have their say.
Hysterical and frenzied, as always, describes your take.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:30 am
by Derron
Jsc810 wrote:Every so often I'll read something that articulates my thoughts better than I am able to do.
When you pick up the cereal box in the morning is probably the first time during the day that it happens.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 7:47 pm
by bradhusker
Hysterical and frenzied describes an LTS take. He is dellusional 24/7. He doesnt see the SHEER HATE of the BIG government unions. Ive seen the HATE first-hand, and its ugly.
The democrat voter of today is a puppet, a brain-washed brain-dead puppet, who is spoon fed lies and distortions all day long.
Wisconsin is the micro version of the country come November. Democrat THUG unions full of hate, are pumping millions into that state in an effort to un-seat Governor Walker. Despite the FACT that Governor Walker had taken a state billions in debt, and gave it a SURPLUS!!
LTS, like most dellusional democrats, is trying to paint Romney as a radical right wing nut. YET, the fact remains that Romney is a moderate mainstream American. IT WONT WORK.
LTS, is an example of the modern democrat party being hijacked by the extreme left. The party of JFK and Harry Truman is LONG GONE!! That was when Jfk said, "ask what you can do for your country" TODAY? Obama says, "How much free money can we give you" "How much can we spend to permanently bankrupt us and destroy us?""
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 7:57 pm
by Mikey
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:08 pm
by Van
Anymore, political cartoons have all the clever subtlety of a meat cleaver.
Our country sucks.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:18 pm
by Mikey
Van wrote:
Our country sucks.
Thinking about joining pops?
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:19 pm
by bradhusker
Mikey wrote:
Just ask the Obama voter. They are brain-washed to believe anything!! The blacks vote for him cause he has the same color skin as they do. The left wing liberal jew votes for him cause they are self-loathing. Queers and dykes do the same, sheer self-loathing. What voting block is left?
The rest will vote for Romney. WE WIN!!!!
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:19 pm
by LTS TRN 2
War Wagon wrote:LTS TRN 2 wrote:It's as honest and accurate a revelation as any as to the utter default of the GOP into hysterical and frenzied fear mongering, with absolutely no plans at all except to attack the "liberals." It's embarrassing regardless of one's nominal politics to see the American democratic process being hijacked by a bunch of moronic gargoyles.
It's no different than it has ever been and the democratic process still works just fine. Voters, as always, will have their say.
Hysterical and frenzied, as always, describes your take.
No, Wags, the current character of the GOP has changed dramatically in the past ten years--and certainly the last four--into a grotesquely bratty mode of smears and stark refusals to do
anything except attack the "liberals" and promote the military and the rapid dismantling of our basic civil rights. Even the most loyal of GOP traditionalists have balked at the galling descent of the GOP into Tea Bagger simplistic jargon and hate. As for the corporate subsuming of the GOP, do you really suppose a Demo individual or group would buy billboard space for huge pictures of Charles Manson saying "I believe in Global Warming"? C'mon, this is a new level of robust sleaze marketing that is only getting its feet in the wake of the disastrous Citizens United ruling. No one has dared refute the basic points I've raised as to the "precedent" for granting corporations the rights of individual citizens, and no one has dared address the facts of our completely off-the-hook financial markets and the scams, schemes, and scandals that are blowing up every day. And this is the
systemic issue that results and is exacerbated by the radical Roberts court.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:27 pm
by bradhusker
Listen to LTS. "Radical Roberts court" "hate" "puppets" "tea bag hate"
NOW, LOOK AT REALITY.
Radicals on the court? Bader Ginsburg, The two dykes nominated by Obama.
UNION THUGGERRY in Wisconsin full of sheer hate. Worst example of hate ive ever seen.
LTS doesnt realize that in the past 20 years, the democrat party has been hijacked by the lunatic LEFT. The lunatic left is full of sick HATE. ALL they do is preach intolerance and hate.
There is no more democrat party of JFK and Truman. Its been taken over by the lunatic left.
WHY do you think Obama's budget was voted down in the senate 99-0.
ANSWER THAT? EVERY SINGLE DEM voted down Obama's budget, EVERY ONE.
LTS is such a hack partisan, its a JOKE.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:35 pm
by Van
Mikey wrote:Van wrote:
Our country sucks.
Thinking about joining pops?
South Korea? Oh hell no.
Europe? In a heartbeat.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:38 pm
by Van
By and large, LTS and Jsc are right about the current Republican party. The problem is that there's no viable alternative. Being stuck with a lesser-of-two-evils choice is no choice at all.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:48 pm
by bradhusker
Van wrote:By and large, LTS and Jsc are right about the current Republican party. The problem is that there's no viable alternative. Being stuck with a lesser-of-two-evils choice is no choice at all.
Van, sorry to dis-credit you here, BUT, in order to believe you, ONE would have to believe that Romney is a right wing bible thumper. HE IS NOT.
He is a mainstream moderate, who also happens to be a conservative family guy.
The alternative? A democrat party who is totally taken over by the far left.
NOW, for you to dis-agree with the things I just said? Means you are intellectually dis-honest.
AGAIN, Mitt Romney is a mainstream moderate conservative. Barack Obama is NOT.
Dis-agree with that , and you are dellusional.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:23 pm
by Van
Romney and Obama are barely distinguishable from one another. They're both decidedly moderate, weathervane-driven frauds who are solely motivated by one thing, and one thing only: political expediency.
Re: Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 7:11 am
by bradhusker
Van wrote:Romney and Obama are barely distinguishable from one another. They're both decidedly moderate, weathervane-driven frauds who are solely motivated by one thing, and one thing only: political expediency.
See Van, this is where I cant believe you. You believe Obama to being moderate like Romney?
Obama himself spoke of being far more comfortable around the marxists and communists. HIS OWN WORDS! When has Romney ever said something like that?
Obama has said he wishes to "transform America". Romney says WHY? Obama wishes to fundamentally transform America. Fundamentally?
A moderate would NEVER EVER make statements like that. A far leftist would. Does that make sense to you Van?
Obama loves the thinking and writings of Saul Alinsky. Romney doesnt.
Obama views our founding fathers as racist. Romney doesnt.
Obama believes in bigger government at the federal level. Romney doesnt.
HOW ARE THEY THE SAME?
Obama strongly believes in the teachings of Karl Marx. Romney doesnt.
AGAIN, this isnt my opinion, Obama wrote this about himself in his own book.
SO, how in your twisted logic, are they the same?