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South Carolina at #6, but no Stanford anywhere. Brilliant.

You really need to stop being impressed by the performances of teams who killed cupcakes. Who gives a rat fuck what FSU has done so far? Or Oregon? Or OU. Or....

Hell, ND belongs in the Top Ten right now. They've at least gone 3-0 against three D1 teams, and they have the second best win of the season.

ALABAMA
OREGON
STANFORD
UCLA
LSU
FLORIDA ST
GEORGIA
OKLAHOMA
NOTRE DAME
CLEMSON

Answer the question. What has South Carolina done besides eek out an ugly win against snottastic Vandy? Do you see any wins over #2 teams on their resume, or on anyone else's?

Papa Willie wrote:

Van wrote:South Carolina at #6, but no Stanford anywhere. Brilliant.

You really need to stop being impressed by the performances of teams who killed cupcakes. Who gives a rat fuck what FSU has done so far? Or Oregon? Or OU. Or....

Hell, ND belongs in the Top Ten right now. They've at least gone 3-0 against three D1 teams, and they have the second best win of the season.

Three words about Stanford: San Jose State. Then again, that doesn't exactly make USC look very good, does it?

I'd have Stanford and ND at about 11 & 12 right now.

Yeah I see what you mean. Your current darling has looked awesome.

Against powerhouses like Murray State, Savannah State and Wake.

Mine -

#1 Alabama - I don't see them losing a game
#2 LSU -Until the SEC schedule kicks in
#3 Oklahoma
#4 Florida State - If they lose to Clemson. then we"ll see
#5 Oregon
#6 Georgia - I STILL hate Richt
#7 USC - They better come back
#8 Clemson
#9 WVU
#10 Stanford

Just my humble opinion.

BTW - Defense wins championships, but the offense has to be at least 75% as good, or............later. And ND has 4 loses coming.

Papa Willie wrote:My darling? FSU? Did you watch them at all yesterday, Mikey?

They played Wake yesterday at Doak Campbell, so who cares? Before that, they played Murray St and Savannah St at home, so again, who cares? They've played two high school teams and a perennial bottom-feeder from a bottom-feeding conference. Trying to grade them so far is impossible. You may as well just watch them scrimmage and call them #2 because of how they look on the practice field.

If they fuck up and lose, I won't have them at #2 anymore.

Really? You'd go that far out on a limb as to drop them from #2 should they lose?

Damn, you're one harsh taskmaster!

As opposed to bitching at my Top 10, why don't y'all give YOUR top 10? My opinion means no more than anybody else's. It's just an asshole. :grin:

Okay. I'm torn, though, between going by what teams have shown vs what I can only suspect about them so far. Anyway, what the hell...

1. Bama
2. Oregon
3. LSU
4. Stanford
5. ND
6. West Virginia
7. Oklahoma
8. Georgia
9. Florida St
10. UCLA

I could easily rearrange the order of all the teams between #'s 4 and 10.

Rog wrote:#4 Florida State - If they lose to Clemson. then we"ll see

Then we'll see...what? If they lose to Clemson, wouldn't that be the answer to whatever question you may have about them?

No, Stanford made themselves look good by beating USC, and by not playing any D1-AA dipshit teams. They have the best win in the country to date, they're 3-0, and they've been very good for a decent little while now. They've earned some respect.

Besides, like I said, #'s 4 through 10 are pretty much an equal jumble to me.

With Oregon I'm admittedly just going by recent history and assumptions since they haven't played a real game yet. I give them the benefit of the doubt over teams like FSU and Georgia simply because they've been consistently better in recent years and they don't look to have dropped off this season.

Meanwhile, notice where I have the Trojans? They lost, plus they looked fairly anemic in that loss, so I don't think it fair to include them in the Top Ten now. They don't have a sufficient argument to be there.

Van wrote:

Rog wrote:#4 Florida State - If they lose to Clemson. then we"ll see

Then we'll see...what? If they lose to Clemson, wouldn't that be the answer to whatever question you may have about them?

If FSU wins, doubtful they will lose another game.

You are smart enough to know what i meant.

Roger_the_Shrubber wrote:

Van wrote:

Rog wrote:#4 Florida State - If they lose to Clemson. then we"ll see

Then we'll see...what? If they lose to Clemson, wouldn't that be the answer to whatever question you may have about them?

If FSU wins, doubtful they will lose another game.

You are smart enough to know what i meant.

You said if they lose, not if they win. It would've made sense had you predicated it on their winning.

Papa Willie wrote:VAN - STANFORD ALMOST LOST TO FUCKING SAN JOSE STATE FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!! You aren't getting that! They beat up on DUKE who shouldn't even be allowed to have a TEAM!

And yet Duke and SJSU are both BETTER than many of the teams your other top Ten picks have been feasting on, and none of your other teams have anything like a win over USC on their resume.

Again, what in the fuck has South Carolina done to deserve a high ranking? Did they beat anybody last year? How about the year before that? How about any year? Have they even played anybody this year? I know they nearly lost to Vandy, who are no better than SJSU or Duke. They're Vandy, and they're South Carolina's signature win so far.

You simply cannot justify South Carolina over Stanford, UCLA or ND, all of which are 3-0 against D1 teams, including wins over USC, Nebraska, and @Sparty.

Your entire "IT WAS SAN JOSE STATE!" argument is made moot by South Carolina barely ekeing out a win over equally awful Vandy, and they have nothing else on which to hang their hat. EOS.

1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. West Virginia
4. Oklahoma
5. Stanford
6. LSU
7. Clemson
8. Florida State
9.Notre Dame
10. Kansas State

You always do that. Whenever you get backed into a corner on these things, you cop out. Rather than face facts, you resort to sarcasm or subject-changing spin as a means of punting.

You simply can't defend your South Carolina inclusion, and you know it.

Oh, and ND isn't in the Pac 12.

Papa Willie wrote:

Van wrote:No, Stanford made themselves look good by beating USC, and by not playing any D1-AA dipshit teams. They have the best win in the country to date, they're 3-0, and they've been very good for a decent little while now. They've earned some respect.

Besides, like I said, #'s 4 through 10 are pretty much an equal jumble to me.

With Oregon I'm admittedly just going by recent history and assumptions since they haven't played a real game yet. I give them the benefit of the doubt over teams like FSU and Georgia simply because they've been consistently better in recent years and they don't look to have dropped off this season.

Meanwhile, notice where I have the Trojans? They lost, plus they looked fairly anemic in that loss, so I don't think it fair to include them in the Top Ten now. They don't have a sufficient argument to be there.

VAN - STANFORD ALMOST LOST TO FUCKING SAN JOSE STATE FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!! You aren't getting that! They beat up on DUKE who shouldn't even be allowed to have a TEAM!

First of all, Stanford didn’t ALMOST LOSE to San Jose State. They never trailed in the game. They have a QB who was starting his first game, and a couple of true freshmen on the OL taking the place a consensus All-American at LT. They took a 14-0 lead in the first quarter but the left side of the line was starting to look like a revolving door, so they pretty much shut things down to protect the QB. His longest completion was 14 yards and a lot of that was YAC. I don’t think he threw a pass longer than 10 yards the whole game, except for maybe once or twice.
SJS caught up with a couple of scores in the third quarter. Stanford took a 20-17 lead five seconds into the fourth quarter. SJS had four possessions in the fourth quarter and gained a total of four yards.

Do you really think the final result of this game was ever in doubt?

Stanford was playing that game without one of their starting ILBs (Skov on suspension) and without their starting FB (Hewitt recovering from injury) who are now both back at full speed. The OL has come together as expected with a few game’s experience.

They’re getting better at QB, though, and their defense is as good or better than it was last year at every position, especially in the backfield. Nunes also has better receivers to work with than Luck did. Maybe not top 5 material, at least at this point, but definitely top 10 and getting better.

According to you, Stanford's 50-13 win against Duke should actually count against them. And yet FSU’s win by a similar score against Wake, arguably not any more serious of a challenge than Duke, somehow convinced you that they’re unfuckingreal. Give me a break. Ballsucking territorial homerism much? BTW, both of those patsies are in the ACC along with…FSU.

You want my top 10? It really don’t mean shit three weeks into the season, but here you go:

1 Alabama
2 Oregon
3 LSU
4 Oklahoma
5 Stanford - OK I said maybe not top 5. I changed my mind. The only team on the list, besides maybe ND, with a quality win so far. And don't give me ALA/ARK. ARK is a fucking joke.
6 Georgia
7 West Virginia
8 Notre Dame
9 Texas
10 USC
11 FSU - Three convincing wins against unfuckinreally bad competition. This team was an utter failure last season and won't convince me that they aren't still way overrated until they actually beat somebody.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Mikey wrote:5 Stanford - The only team on the list, besides maybe ND, with a quality win so far. And don't give me ALA/ARK. ARK is a fucking joke.

I'd say wins againist Arkansas and Michigan gotta count for something.

Circumstances being what they are, obviously Arkansas is a disaster right now, but it ain't like Bama played Southern Utah or Tennessee Tech.

You got me there. I didn't actually research this. But I do have ALA at the top of my list.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Mikey wrote:5 Stanford - The only team on the list, besides maybe ND, with a quality win so far. And don't give me ALA/ARK. ARK is a fucking joke.

I'd say wins againist Arkansas and Michigan gotta count for something.

Michigan? Yes. Arkansas without their star QB, when they'd already lost at home with their star QB to a YMCA team?

Not a fucking chance. No soup for you on that one.

Circumstances being what they are, obviously Arkansas is a disaster right now, but it ain't like Bama played Southern Utah or Tennessee Tech.

Southern Utah, La-Monroe...what's the difference?

Oh hell yeah.

Van,

All your base belong to us.

Isn't it supposed to go 'all your bace are belong to us'?

All your Bace are long on pus.

Papa Willie wrote:
UGA and Stanford have played one game apiece that would qualify under your criteria, so why don't you have them at #1 & #2?

Because Stanford is better than UGA.

Because I said so.

You are 100% wrong on all counts, and you're still spinning rather than addressing the simplest of questions.

It's no fun talking with someone who won't stand up and be held accountable, so never mind.

I assume you're not talking to me.

But I'll reply anyway.

:twisted:

Papa Willie wrote:
The honest fact of the matter is - that there should be NO polls until week 6 - which is pretty much what the BCS does.

Completely agree. but it's fun to argue.

Papa Willie wrote: If you WERE to really pay attention to any poll right now, I'd say it would have to be the coach poll:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... ll=Coaches

They have Stanford at 11 and SC at 8. They know more about it all than any of us do. Wouldn't you agree?

Not really. At this point in the season I figure most coaches don't know shit any teams other than their own and the ones coming up on their schedule.

Why would they waste their time following any others, unless they were planning on a job search?

The coaches' poll is entirely worthless. These guys admit that they don't even watch other teams. How can they? They're far too busy dealing with their own teams to have the time to watch WVU-Taco Tech or Stanford-Arizona. A lot of these guys also admit that they don't even do the voting themselves; rather, they pawn that crap off on their SIDs. On top of all that, the coaches routinely attempt to manipulate that poll to their own good. It's called having a vested interest, which creates an obvious conflict of interest.

And anyone who would rank USC above Stanford right now needs to have their voting privileges rescinded forthwith. That's just sheer lunacy.

USC...meaning South Carolina. In this case not necessarily sheet lunacy but potentially SECBSH.

In this case, it applies to either USC. Neither of them have any business being ranked above Stanford.

GOD is great. Stanford is better.

Cal is goat dung.

Spinspray wrote:Stanford would HAVE to be #1 because they beat GOD.

Not #1, and they didn't beat GOD, but they have a much better resume than anything South Carolina can offer.

I'll make the case for Stanford, then you attempt to make a case for South Carolina.

-Two straight BCS bowl game appearances including one win and a second win that was only lost due to a missed chip shot FG that would've won the game during regulation play. This establishes their bona fides.
-They beat the season-ending #6 team in the country last year. They played the season-ending #2 to a virtual draw, losing only in OT due to the aforementioned missed FG.
-They beat the #2 team in the country this year, which is the strongest win tallied by any team this season.
-They are 3-0 against D1 teams this year, including two teams from BCS conferences.

South Carolina?

-Never been to a BCS bowl game. Never even came close. No bona fides to speak of.
-Best win this season was a scabdick placenta-letting against perennial doormat Vandy.
-Other two wins came at home against teams called the Pirates and the Blazers, and we're not talking Major League Baseball or the NBA. Neither of those teams are even members of BCS conferences.
-Umm...

Go.

Van wrote:South Carolina?

will probably beat Mizzou by 3 TD's on Saturday no matter if QB James Franklin plays or not. I realize that isn't saying much. They had to hang on for dear life against ASU last Saturday after having a 17 point lead to start the 4th qtr.

Point is, I didn't understand why Georgia was ranked so high coming into Columbia. I knew why after they left. I expect the same or worse at SC.

So does everyone else, but that's really more about Mizzou than Georgia or South Carolina.

Van,

You are a smart man. So why post such stupidity?

If it's so stupid, go ahead and refute it. Shouldn't be a problem, right? Since 'Spray completely pussed out, perhaps you'd like to take a shot at it.

Oh, and Terry is still waiting for you to get back to him about his degree from ND and how it relates to your sig.

Van wrote:I'm torn, though, between going by what teams have shown vs what I can only suspect about them so far.

OU has earned the benefit of the doubt. They have a pedigree. They're consistently good, and often Top Five good.

What has South Carolina ever done to earn themselves a similar assumption? 'Nothing whatsoever' is the correct answer. On top of that, they've only played one game this season against a (very bad) BCS conference opponent, and they barely escaped with a scabdick win.

They simply have no resume. None. OU does. Stanford does.

Of course it will. You have nothing with which to counter it. Hell, you still haven't even tried. All you've done is spin and change the subject, as you just did again.

Not once have you stepped up and attempted to defend South Carolina's resume.

Sudden Sam wrote:IIRC, Carolina beat Ohio State in 2 straight bowls.

That count for anything?

Since they weren't BCS bowls, which is what I specified as the yardstick, no, they really don't. They didn't beat a top Ohio St team. They beat meh ones that were relegated to consolation bowls, where they faced the likes of...South Carolina.

Sudden Sam wrote:IIRC, Carolina beat Ohio State in 2 straight bowls.

Which means that even Cal would kick their ass, because Cal should have beaten tOSU last week.

Papa Willie wrote: Oklahoma has played "NOT SHIT" thus far. You're basing your stuff on emotion and hatred of the SEC. It's okay - I'm used to seeing that from Pac12 folks.

Okay then. Why do you ignore UCLA on your rankings? They've never ever played a school not in Div.1 and this year they beat ranked Nebraska and own the city of Houston.

1. Alabama - they are on another level.
2. LSU - wait and see
3. Oregon - not sure how good that defense is
4. Georgia - Aaron Murray can take this team very far.
5. Florida - They've beaten good teams
6. Florida State - we'll see if they are for real on Saturday
7. Notre Dame - Gholston doesn't play like a freshman
8. Texas - If David Ash can pass, then the sky is the limit for this team
9. Oklahoma - K-State will be a good test
10. Stanford

Papa Willie wrote:

Van wrote:Of course it will. You have nothing with which to counter it. Hell, you still haven't even tried. All you've done is spin and change the subject, as you just did again.

Not once have you stepped up and attempted to defend South Carolina's resume.

Oklahoma has played "NOT SHIT" thus far. You're basing your stuff on emotion and hatred of the SEC. It's okay - I'm used to seeing that from Pac12 folks.

Oklahoma is Oklahoma. They have trophies. They have good teams nearly every year. South Carolina boasts none of those things.

Oklahoma > South Carolina

You're still spinning. You still haven't even attempted to defend South Carolina.