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bill snyder is great. ksu is a legit top 10 team. nowhere close to the freakish teams he has in the late 90's and early 00's. those guys were scary good.

my troll name spent most of last season posting on Colorado boards how great KSU was to watch. real football. blocking, tackling. special teams. crazy the old man. love that offense with Klein.

WVU loses for the 2nd week in a row in Big XII play.

win at Texas though. hook em horns.

Not a K-State fan. They're like kissin' cousins with Jayhawks, only somewhat less despicable.

But I have to admire what's going on there and I have no idea how it happened. Of course, Snyder is a good coach, but c'mon, really?

I still don't think they can play with the likes of 'bama or even Florida... but they may get a chance. I don't see any XII team beating in the meantime.

Oregon?

pfft

War Wagon wrote:Not a K-State fan. They're like kissin' cousins with Jayhawks, only somewhat less despicable.

But I have to admire what's going on there and I have no idea how it happened. Of course, Snyder is a good coach, but c'mon, really?

I still don't think they can play with the likes of 'bama or even Florida... but they may get a chance. I don't see any XII team beating in the meantime.

Oregon?

pfft

Still think Geno Smith would be a good fit with the Chiefs? Collin Klein would be a better choice, imo.

For what he has done during both stints as HC Bill Snyder is easily one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Mad respect for that man.

Mace wrote:Still think Geno Smith would be a good fit with the Chiefs?

I never said that.

Apparently, you have me confused with kcdave.

that's quite insulting... take it back, lest I drive up I-35 and fight you over crab legs in Osceola.

War Wagon wrote:

Mace wrote:Still think Geno Smith would be a good fit with the Chiefs?

I never said that.

Apparently, you have me confused with kcdave.

that's quite insulting... take it back, lest I drive up I-35 and fight you over crab legs in Osceola.

My apologies, Wags, it was kcdave. I'll be in Osceola on Wednesday if you want some of those crab legs.

No respect for KSU whatsoever.

Only reason they are where they are is due to their last-minute cancellation of their trip to Eugene, which avoided a 0-1 start for them.

So Oregon had to pencil in Arkansas State instead, and everfyone wants to knock Oregon for playing a bad schedule?

What. The. Fuck.

One team elevates themselves, while downgrading an opponent with one phone call?

That ain't right. For that reason alone, I wouldn't put KSU in my top 10 if I were a poll voter.

campinfool wrote:For what he has done during both stints as HC Bill Snyder is easily one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Mad respect for that man.

i agree. lucky for all of us he's 70 and not about to take the USC or Texas job and go John Wooden on all our asses.

the guy with a sackful of 4 star players would be scary.

edit: Dins, Snyder has always been about scheduling patsies OOC....it's his thing.

And as to the original topic...

maybe, maybe not.

While the 4 listed certainly seem to be the elite teams, I think the jury is still out on the "unimpressive undefeateds."

Maybe in the next 4 games, one of the "outsiders" like Lousiville/Rutgers, ND, OS, or Miss St. will have us all convinced they're the real deal, while any or all of the current Big 4 could lay an egg and make us laugh at them.

I guess that's why they play the games.

What would be amusing, is if Oregon goes to the NCG, and OS gets a weird at large... against ND, so they can roll them, just like they did when ND finally made a BCS Bowl (they're up to 0-3 now).

War Wagon wrote:But I have to admire what's going on there and I have no idea how it happened. Of course, Snyder is a good coach, but c'mon, really?

I have a theory. K-State was pretty bad on D last season, so they got rid of their D coordinator.

That was apparently good enough for Coach Holtz to hire him here at USF. Our D fucking sucks this season.

Our old D-Coordinator is now at aTm and seems to be doing a good job from what I have seen.

Dinsdale wrote:What would be amusing, is if Oregon goes to the NCG, and OS gets a weird at large... against ND, so they can roll them, just like they did when ND finally made a BCS Bowl (they're up to 0-3 now).

Doubtful that would happen for a number of reasons.

First, if Oregon goes to the NCG, that means that the Rose Bowl, in all likelihood, will select a Pac-12 team to replace them.

Second, to the extent the rules permit, the BCS is all about maximizing . USC brings a lot more to the table in that regard than does Oregon State, so if the BCS has a choice between USC and Oregon State, it's pretty much a no-brainer that they'll choose USC.

And it looks to me like the four non-conference champions will be one team each from the Big XII, Pac-12, SEC and ND. Certainly not written in stone, though, as there's still six weeks left in the regular season. But let's assume those are the teams that get the bids.

So it's likely Florida from the SEC (or Alabama, should Florida win the CCG), Oklahoma from the Big XII, and, if the BCS has a choice, USC from the Pac-12, otherwise Oregon State. Here's how I see the BCS matchups.

First, there won't be an all-SEC title game this year, since Alabama and Florida figure to match up in the SEC CCG. Loser of that game is likely headed to the Sugar Bowl.

If it's SEC winner vs. Oregon:

Pac-12 #2 (USC/Oregon State) goes to the Rose Bowl.
ND goes to the Fiesta Bowl vs. Kansas State.
Oklahoma goes to the Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama-Florida loser.
Big East champ (likely Louisville-Rutgers winner) to Orange Bowl vs. ACC champ (likely Florida State).

If it's SEC winner vs. Kansas State:

Pac-12#2 (USC/Oregon State) to Fiesta Bowl vs. Oklahoma
ND to Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama-Florida loser.
ACC champ vs. Big East champ in Orange Bowl.

If somehow it's SEC winner vs. ND:

Pac-12 #2 (USC/Oregon State) to Fiesta Bowl vs. Kansas State
Oklahoma to Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama-Florida loser.
ACC champ vs. Big East champ in Orange Bowl.

Assuming they finish 11-1 with their only loss coming in the Civil War, Oregon St will definitely go to the Rose Bowl if Oregon goes to the national title game. Oregon won't go to the title game with anything but a perfect record so obviously they will have to beat USC once if not twice, eliminating USC from the Rose Bowl picture.

Van is correct, and Terry is correct that the odds of my scenario are slim-to-none... I was just trying to pour salt in an old ND wound, and bring back the nightmares of Jonathan Smith, TJ Whoseyourmama, Chad Johnsoncinco, Stephen Jackson, Nick Barnett, Richard Seigler, and the rest of that star-studded Sheepfucker roster.

TiC -- I know what you meant, but your scenarios refer to PAC #2s, which in fact should read #1s in your last 2 scenarios (not that it was particularly confusing).

And I'm still of the very strong opinion that if a CG decision is to be made between Oregon and KSU, there should be no question who goes -- the one who got their SoS fucked by the other, which is likely only an undefeated team because they chickened out.

Speaking of dodging games... nice job, Vandy. Now that they've gotten better, they decided to become a real SEC team and shy away from decent teams and airports. Line up 4 cupcakes, and hope you can pick off the low hanging SEC fruit for 2 more wins and an early December bowl game.

Papa Willie wrote:If KS & Oregon go undefeated, I think that'll carry more weight than an SEC team with 1 loss...

As well it should.

Exceot the network that airs the NCG, and has by far the greatest influence on the polls and CFB in general, own the SEC, obviously having a HUGE financial interest in it.

It's just not a level playing field, and I worry about impartiality in regards to the PAC12, after they started their own network and said "fuck ESPN."

And it's fucked up that this even gets discussed. The money shouldn't matter one freaking bit, but we all know it does... just ask Boise State.

I'm with you -- I honestly believe there isn't a team out there that Oregon wouldn't run out of the building right now, including Bama and KSU.

But my opinion on the matter is a little biased, so I'm not spouting it too much.

Papa Willie wrote:I dunno. The chances of Florida or Alabama going undefeated would seem impossible.

It would seem possible? Huh? I fully expect Bama to go undefeated, as does most of the country. If they do lose, it'll probably be to Florida...again, very likely going undefeated.

If you don't think LSU will be up for 11/3, think again.

Who cares whether they're up for it? Of course they'll be up for it. Bama will be too. The difference is, Bama is simply the better team. Bama doesn't have the LSU 'offense,' nor are they saddled with LSU's worthless QB.

Oh, then there's the obvious: Nick Saban > Les Miles

After the NCG game, and 11/3 coming under the lights at BR, that's just not going to be easy. If KS & Oregon go undefeated, I think that'll carry more weight than an SEC team with 1 loss... If 'Bama wins out (and Florida could beat them), they're automatically in - as well they should be.

Of course an undefeated Bama is in. That's a no-brainer. Also a no-brainer is that an undefeated Pac 12 or Big XII winner gets in ahead of any one-loss SEC team. Now, K St vs Oregon? Well, look who's still left for each team to play. K St has...who? OU in the CCG, and that's it. Oregon has Top 20 Stanford, Top 10 Oregon St, and USC (probably) twice.

Another no-brainer. If Oregon runs the table, they're in.

Van wrote:K St has...who? OU in the CCG, and that's it.

Wanna back up and take another run at that one, Sparky?

Although I'm still fuming that KSU cancels their Oregon games, then passes them in the standings doe to SoS... outrageous. If that doesn't shape up, hopefully the humans will do the right thing and vote Oregon #1 and Bama/UF #2, to ensure the proper and just outcome.

Van wrote: Another no-brainer. If Oregon runs the table, they're in.

Not so fast.

If ND runs the table, they'll get the nod.

They won't, but just sayin'.

And I'm trying to stop myself.

Oregon only has one game to play -- Colorado on saturday.

Van wrote:K St has...who?

One team with a number by its name (TSquared), and 4 teams that are 1 win away from having numbers by their names, pretty much (OSU, TCU, Baylor?, and Texas).

And BTW -- I'm bitter, but if I'm voting, I'd put a 1 loss (assuming it was a good game to a good team) Bama or Florida in over the Kansas State Chickenshits.

He wasn't talking ND. He only compared Oregon and K St. I suspect that Oregon would get the nod over ND. I'm certain they'd get it over K St.

Oh, and the Big XII doesn't have a CCG now, right? I always seem to forget that. If that is indeed the case, yeah, K St has no shot of getting in over an undefeated Oregon or ND.

ND doesn't get the benefit of the extra game, either.

Nice system we have.

Dinsdale wrote:TiC -- I know what you meant, but your scenarios refer to PAC #2s, which in fact should read #1s in your last 2 scenarios (not that it was particularly confusing).

In those scenarios, I thought it understood that Pac-12 #1 goes to the Rose Bowl. I'm reasonably certain that the four non-conference champions in the BCS this year will be a team each from the SEC (likely the Alabama-Florida loser), Big XII, Pac-12 and Notre Dame. The only other realistic possibilities are:

Clemson: If both FSU and Clemson run the table, then Clemson becomes a strong contender for an at-large bid. That could very easily happen in conference play, although Clemson still will have a stiff OOC challenge ahead (South Carolina) in the final week of the regular season (as will Florida State, although they'll still be in position to play for the ACC conference title if they run the table in conference, regardless of the outcome of the Florida game).

Boise State: We sorta kinda wrote them off with the season-opening loss to Sparty, but with both the Big East and especially the B1G way down this year, they may only need a Top 16 finish to grab an AQ bid. They're hanging around the fringes right now (#22). Granted, they'll probably need a little help to get to AQ status, but the prospects (a loss by Michigan, or by both Louisville and Rutgers) don't look terribly daunting.

Sudden Sam wrote:If ND beats OU, don't be too shocked if they aren't right there at the end for the NC game.

Historically they're quite capable of drawing votes they shouldn't get and passing teams that are better.

Of course, I'm talking ancient history to you kids, but it wasn't that damn long ago.

I know you're not talking about 1966, Sam. That would just be silly.

Sudden Sam wrote:If ND beats OU, don't be too shocked if they aren't right there at the end for the NC game.

Historically they're quite capable of drawing votes they shouldn't get and passing teams that are better.

Of course, I'm talking ancient history to you kids, but it wasn't that damn long ago.

Love some SECBSH complaining about media bias. I'm not sure but any team who couldn't win their half of a conference get to play for the MNC lately?

Sudden Sam wrote:

M Club wrote: Love some SECBSH complaining about media bias. I'm not sure but any team who couldn't win their half of a conference get to play for the MNC lately?

You don't want the two best teams to play for the MNC?

Show me a sport where the two best teams ever play for the championship. Part of a championship run is not tripping over your dick at home, unless, of course, ESPN is there to give you a do-over.

Sudden Sam wrote:

MuchoBulls wrote: Our old D-Coordinator is now at aTm and seems to be doing a good job from what I have seen.

57 points to LaTech?

Other than that night, they've done well.

One bad game is something I would take right now.

Florida is a fraud.

Sudden Sam wrote:Yet you'd have been perfectly fine with an Ohio State-Michigan rematch a few years back, right?

Subjectively speaking, sure. The championship is entirely arbitrary so why not us? Objectively speaking though, it would have been retarded. The only difference between us and Alabamar was there was enough time between your loss and the end of the season for the "two-best teams" narrative to gather momentum.

Yes, giving the #5 team the NC after crushing the #1 team in what was essentially a home game for Texas was completely crazy. ND must have gotten the benefit of the doubt because their one loss was against SEC!SEC!SEC!. Strange. But you can talk about the 1973 & 1978 NC's that Alabama claim. Those are totally legit.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Killian wrote: I know you're not talking about 1966, Sam. That would just be silly.

Actually I was talking about 1977 when you beat #1 Texas and jumped from #5 to a NC. #3 Bama destroyed #9 Ohio State 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl and that was back in the day when you had to wait 'til the next day to see what the voters decided.

Crushing.

But yeah, '66 '03 was much worse.

Yep.

Killian wrote:Strange. But you can talk about the 1973 & 1978 NC's that Alabama claim. Those are totally legit.

:x

Oh, and...Killian! Welcome back, dude.

Killian? Think I'm going to check out the CFB standings...

Yep, and he's probably giving his sig the hairy eyeball right about now.

Another funny scenario...

Oregon State runs the table (won't happen).

While Nicholls State doesn't do much for SoS or anything else, it still counts as a weak W to the computers.

BUT... if OS wins out (ain't hapnin), the PAC12 CCG is scheduled for the same day as the make-up Nicholls game, which would be cancelled.

OS ends up a game short, goes undefeated, and gets left out of the NCG.

And Dins laughs his balls off.

But OS has no business playing the NCG with that offense. Then again, Florida has a crappy offense, too... doesn't seem to stop them.

You mean besides the fact that they were beaten by double digits at home by the very team with whom they somehow ended up sharing the title?

Yeah, that was totally legit. No media bias bullshit attached to that one at all.

They lost to a team that wasn't in the running for the national title. This wasn't a three-way contest. It was a two-team decision, and one of those teams killed the other on its own field.

In any sane universe not dominated by its media's childish worshipping of Bear Bryant, the team with the clear victory in the head-to-head matchup wins all the marbles.

Your disingenuousness looks good on you.