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Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:09 am**

88 wrote:I haven't seen a true senate filibuster in a long, long time. Rand Paul is in hour 8, and is still making sense. I cannot believe liberals are not flocking to his aid. All he wants is for Obama or Holder to admit that the POTUS does not have the authority to issue a drone strike order to kill a US citizen in the United States who is not engaged in imminent terrorist actiion against the country or it's people. Go Rand Paul.

Rack this. I completely agree. Although you should know, pussy hawks reside in wings of both parties. I wholly support Rand Paul.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:15 am**

88 wrote:All he wants is for Obama or Holder to admit that the POTUS does not have the authority to issue a drone strike order to kill a US citizen in the United States who is not engaged in imminent terrorist actiion against the country or it's people. Go Rand Paul.

Actually Holder said point blank that he does have that authority. If Chimpy had asserted such authority, the libtards and their media lapdogs would be apoplectic. Now they just rest comfortably on their kneepads and swallow Oshitskin's every load.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:28 am**

Too bad it's not a tag team effort---Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and a couple other could keep this going.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:58 am**

Wolfman wrote:Too bad it's not a tag team effort---Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and a couple other could keep this going.

Cruz is a POS without a shred of integrity. He can fuck himself.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:59 am**

Love Cruz. the man speaks w/o a teleprompter and w/o all the umms and errs of a guy who has to parse his words. A breath of fresh air. When your opposition is reduced to name calling--you know you are right.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:12 am**

what a bunch of grandstanding fags who have not an ounce of sincere desire to restore the GOP. So now they are resorting to Ernie Chambers antics? (google Ernie Chambers...for those not in the know on this) for run in the media? I'm laughing....just like the rest of America outside the Plutocracy who have knowledge of their game. You fucks are so naive. The GOP is dead. Reagan rolled over twice during Pauls antics (liberal shit that is well-known) Wow! what a level they have stooped to since they realized they stand to get their festering vaginas kicked in the next election....again.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:18 am**

Wolfman wrote:Love Cruz. the man speaks w/o a teleprompter and w/o all the umms and errs of a guy who has to parse his words. A breath of fresh air. When your opposition is reduced to name calling--you know you are right.

Yea....nice job alienating Hispanics even more on behalf of the GOP. The surname and his game (that rhymed) has accomplished nothing more than to fuck the GOP even more when it comes to that demographic. But, keep stroking your cocks and loudly exclaiming, "The messicans will love us now since CRUZ is saying such loving things about our fucked up and corrupt party that has lost its' soul!"

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:19 am**

Must be working---the lefties are reduced to name calling and other childish rants. If we only had such men in the White House all these phony issues would be gone.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:28 am**

Wolfman wrote:Must be working---the lefties are reduced to name calling and other childish rants. If we only had such men in the White House all these phony issues would be gone.

You mean liberal road-blocks like Ernie Chambers? Research that name...then shake your head at the parroting by Paul and the rest.. I'm telling you...the GOP is a black man in a predominantly white state these days. Google it. Your welcome

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:43 pm**

Wolfman wrote:A breath of fresh air. When your opposition is reduced to name calling--you know you are right.

Yes, of course, accusing a veteran and Purple Heart winner of accepting money from North Korea without even a shred of evidence is very upstanding and a breath of fresh air.

No wonder our nation is swirling the drain.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:25 pm**

So H4ever, if the GOP is dead as you claim, what is the way forward?

If left unchecked, the Democrats will spend this country to near collapse.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:45 pm**

Left Seater wrote:If left unchecked, the Democrats will spend this country to near collapse.

Of course, it was Democrats who ran two wars on the nation's credit card, right. Right?

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:33 pm**

I'm well aware of how Washington works. But I'm glad all you right-wing jerkoffs are so concerned with civil liberties now. Would have been great to have your help oh say 11 or 12 years ago, but better late than never, right?

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:55 pm**

Who is "my guy?" Facts, please.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:14 pm**

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Left Seater wrote:If left unchecked, the Democrats will spend this country to near collapse.
Of course, it was Democrats who ran two wars on the nation's credit card, right. Right?

As 88 pointed out it was. Add to that the skyrocketing costs for Obamacare, since the left ignored every actuarial principle and assumed states would pay for more federal unfunded mandates. Then throw in the never ending unemployment payments.

When does the spending end?

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:01 pm**

88 wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:Who is "my guy?" Facts, please.
Once the DNA results from the copious samples take from your chin come back, I'll will provide the identity. But this is the current suspect: President Barack H. Obama

So why do you keep insisting that Barry is some kind of "liberal"? His health care plan? That's simply a common sense move that all other developed nations utilize. It (if actually implemented) saves tremendous amounts of money for the average consumer. What else? Why do you just keep marching along with your robotic sputterings about the evil "liberals" when you know damn well the main problem is unregulated corporate/Wall St shysters raping the nation's economy? Where is your seething indignation against capital flight by transnational corporations? Why is this some sort of "right or left" issue in the first place? Fuck Barry, we all agree he's a lying chameleon and has been since day one, but where's your focused attack on the real problems?

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:21 pm**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:where's your focused attack on the real problems?

It's easier than thinking critically.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:42 pm**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:your focused attack on the real problems?

His "focused attack" is on runaway federal spending which is THE real problem.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:14 pm**

88 wrote:
You are a very different kind of liberal (and so are Martyred and Phibes). You actually believe that liberal policies could create a human utopia...

I don't believe that "liberal policies" will create a "human utopia".

I believe that eliminating parasitic scum like you will.

There are no frilly curtains on my gulag's iron-barred windows.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:14 pm**

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:your focused attack on the real problems?
His "focused attack" is on runaway federal spending which is THE real problem.

Keynes = Capitalism

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:07 pm**

Martyred wrote:There are no frilly curtains on my gulag's iron-barred windows.

Have you considered going to Bed Gulag and Beyond?

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:15 pm**

Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:your focused attack on the real problems?
His "focused attack" is on runaway federal spending which is THE real problem.
Keynes = Failure

FTFY

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:22 pm**

BSmack wrote:
Martyred wrote:There are no frilly curtains on my gulag's iron-barred windows.
Have you considered going to Bed Gulag and Beyond?

Sometimes I don't completely loathe you.

:|

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:23 pm**

mvscal wrote: Keynes = Failure
FTFY

No argument.

Posted: **Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:29 pm**

You can oppose all you like...while you work off your sentence in one of the People's Work And Pleasure Centres.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:59 am**

Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote: Keynes = Failure
FTFY

No argument.

I think the concept of Keynesian economics could work if implemented in any sort of responsible manner. Trouble is, we don't. The way I understand it, Keynes' idea was that we ran a bit of surplus in good times and dip into it for a bit of stimulus when things are slow. What we have done is dip into it a lot, when things are good, then dip into it a shitload when things are slow.

Even wags can do the math on how that works out.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:33 am**

smackaholic wrote:
I think the concept of Keynesian economics could work if implemented in any sort of responsible manner. Trouble is, we don't. The way I understand it, Keynes' idea was that we ran a bit of surplus in good times and dip into it for a bit of stimulus when things are slow. What we have done is dip into it a lot, when things are good, then dip into it a shitload when things are slow.

Keynesians believe there's never enough money you can't throw at a problem, no matter how big.

Keynesian Economics cuts across the board. From FDR to Thatcher. Sometimes it works...mostly it doesn't.

smackaholic wrote:Even wags can do the math on how that works out.

Now that's just crazy talk.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:47 am**

LTS TRN 2 wrote: His health care plan? That's simply a common sense move that all other developed nations utilize. It (if actually implemented) saves tremendous amounts of money for the average consumer. What else?

Exactly how does his plan save money for the average consumer when it goes against all actuarial info. There is no underwriting on Obamacare. Everyone gets coverage with every pre existing condition covered. What that means is we are all paying more to cover everyone and everything. The other huge problem with it is the fact that the tax penalty for not having the coverage is way to low to prevent people from joining and canceling. Unless the tax penalty is higher someone can just wait until they are very ill, say cancer and then join. We all then have to pay for their coverage and once the cancer treatments are done, they can go back to paying the tax.

Also, if this is such a great system that the rest of the world uses, why do Heads of States, Kings, and the uber rich from around the world get treatment at The Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, etc, etc?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:52 am**

Left Seater wrote:
Also, if this is such a great system that the rest of the world uses, why do Heads of States, Kings, and the uber rich from around the world get treatment at The Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, etc, etc?

Look, sorry for cracking on the paintjob, but did someone drop you on your head?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:29 pm**

So are saying these folks don't come here for treatments?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:07 pm**

Left Seater wrote:So are saying these folks don't come here for treatments?

I think he saying that just because a bunch of rich twats come to Cleveland to jump their rightful place in line doesn't mean you have a valid argument.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:30 pm**

Left Seater wrote:Also, if this is such a great system that the rest of the world uses, why do Heads of States, Kings, and the uber rich from around the world get treatment at The Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, etc, etc?

Boy, are you really this thick in real life or is this an act you play on this board? Christ.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:30 pm**

Left Seater wrote:So are saying these folks don't come here for treatments?

A lot of Americans go overseas for treatment because they can get equivalent quality for a fraction of the price. So what's your point?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:29 pm**

At some point, you'll want to see to the health and well being of the automatons that work your machinery, 88.

Unless your workforce is replaceable by a steady stream of Mexican [KC Scott]muscle[/KC Scott]...

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:06 pm**

Mikey,

Plenty of these medical vacations end very poorly. I have a friend who flies for PrivateFly and strictly handles medical evacuations. He is on call 24/7 for two weeks at a time. During each two week shift he averages two flights from Europe/Africa back to North America with patients in critical condition who went overseas for medical treatment. The most recent was a lady who went on a Face Lift Safari. Get a face lift then while recovering (hiding from friends) he face literally started falling off. She is back in the States with 2 surgeries down and at least 2 more to go and prolly a month long hospital stay.

Where would you rather your family went for serious medical issues if not in the US?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:50 pm**

88 wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Left Seater wrote:So are saying these folks don't come here for treatments?
A lot of Americans go overseas for treatment because they can get equivalent quality for a fraction of the price. So what's your point?
That is absolutely true. But as you point out, the reason for that is economic, not a quality of care issue. The economic issue is partly due to Federal regulations and partly due to liability issues. The FDA approval process in the United States is very expensive and time consuming. Accordingly, drugs and treatments are frequently available overseas at lower cost many years before they are available here. And Flying Spaghetti Monster help you if you should find that you have been bunged up overseas by a negligent doctor or medical care facility. And don't get me started on the problems with the patent system worldwide, which cost the U.S. citizenry billions and billions of dollars in higher medical expenses each year, and which constitute hidden subsidies to the public healthcare systems of other nations around the world.

Lefty's point, which anyone with an ability to understand the English language can readily understand and which none of you can answer directly without making your arguments for a public healthcare system look as stupid as they are, is that the U.S. private health care system is among the best in the world, and those with the means to choose to be treated anywhere in the world at any cost frequently choose U.S. health care facilities because of the high quality of health care available here without waiting in line.

Let me give you a real example of health care in Japan. An 85-year old man checked into a first-rate Japanese hospital last summer, requiring surgeries for both a stomach and colon tumor. He stayed in the hospital for over a month, the surgeries were successful, and he was provided all medications and follow-up visits. Total cost: about $1100. This is standard. I did notice a news item recently of a Japanese man being refused by 25 hospitals, but this case was extenuating. As with the legacy of the great hero Hugo Chavez, your supplied info on other nations' health care has been dreadfully distorted by the standard right-wing hairball news. C'mon, get real.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:55 pm**

Left Seater wrote:Mikey,

Plenty of these medical vacations end very poorly. I have a friend who flies for PrivateFly and strictly handles medical evacuations. He is on call 24/7 for two weeks at a time. During each two week shift he averages two flights from Europe/Africa back to North America with patients in critical condition who went overseas for medical treatment. The most recent was a lady who went on a Face Lift Safari. Get a face lift then while recovering (hiding from friends) he face literally started falling off. She is back in the States with 2 surgeries down and at least 2 more to go and prolly a month long hospital stay.

Where would you rather your family went for serious medical issues if not in the US?

First of all, I wouldn't call a face lift a serious medical issue, at least not for most of us (can't speak for smackaholic here).

Second, there are plenty of botched surgeries in the US. This is especially true for stuff like "minor" cosmetic procedures and liposuction where there are at lot of fly-by-night quacks out there. Going overseas for surgery, just like having it done here, you better do your fucking homework before you make a choice. Anybody flying to Lilongwe for a face lift better expect to come home with some nasty problems. On the other hand there are some excellent hospitals and surgeons operating overseas at a fraction of the cost in the US.

When I was researching my hip surgery I found that there are several doctors outside the US that have been practicing the same specialized hip resurfacing that I got for longer than any doctors in the US and with many more procedures under their belt. One doctor in India is the most experienced in the world. You can get it done there in Chennai, and recover for a week at a four star resort on the Bay of Bengal, including airfare, for not much more than I paid in deductibles and co-pays. It's really the only feasible choice for somebody without good insurance. You can also fly to England and get it done more cheaply than here by the doctor who basically invented it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:30 pm**

88 wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Left Seater wrote:So are saying these folks don't come here for treatments?
I think he saying that just because a bunch of rich twats come to Cleveland to jump their rightful place in line doesn't mean you have a valid argument.
KYOA much?

And yet here you are, in the very next post.

...because of the high quality of health care available here without waiting in line.

Ponderous

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:01 pm**

So if the surgeons were more experienced, and your out of pocket was equal or minimally more, why didn't you go to India? Or to England for that matter?

Posted: **Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:02 pm**

BSmack wrote:
Ponderous

Do you seen any lines in this picture?

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