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Exactly! Pre-season draft projections always hold true!

Sin,
Andre Wolfolk
Jevan Snead
Cam Newton
Geno Smith
EJ Manuel
Matt Barkley

If I'm not mistaken, the initial argument was whether he would be a top 10 pick...or was it just a first round pick? Neither one is going to happen regardless.

Why does winning trigger such an inferiority complex?

Sudden Sam wrote:McCarron has the arm, the smarts, and the leadership qualities to make it in the NFL.

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Tough to say right now. Bare minimum, he has the arm, the smarts and the leadership to hold a clipboard in the NFL for an undetermined amount of time. That much I will give you.

Killian, we've all seen a ton of guys not make it when the projections had them going high. But McCarron has no weaknesses as a QB. He's accurate, can make all the throws, he's football smart, and he knows how to win...duh.

Funny how one shows "no weaknesses" when they play for a team that monopolizes all the talent. We'll see if that holds true when he has to play behind a shoddy o-line or from behind because his defense doesn't promptly hand the ball right back to him (that's just so rude!).

Sudden Sam wrote:Mgo, there are scholarship limitations.

LOL. Yeah, there are no ways around that. Nope, none. Zip. Zero. Don't ask Slick Nick, he knows nothing about it.

That might be the funniest thing I've ever read in this forum. Thanks for the chuckle, Sam.

Sudden Sam wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Funny how one shows "no weaknesses" when they play for a team that monopolizes all the talent.

Monopolizes all the talent?!?! Mgo, there are scholarship limitations. The talent is spread out all over this beautiful CFB landscape. You know that.

I laughed.

Quick, name the last successful QB from Alabama. Fair or not, that will be working against him.

McCarron has rarely played in pressure situations. He did three times last year. Once, he threw a screen pass. The second, he threw an interception. The third, he made a nice pass to a very open reciever. That will work against him.

He's not overly athletic, and he doesn't have a plus arm. A solid arm, but nothing exceptional. That will work against him, too.

All that "He's a winner" nonsense is bullshit. Vince Young was a winner. Matt Leinart was a winner. Tim Tebow was a winner. All three are out of the league.

Making smart choices is the thing that will work most in his favor. If he has another season like he did last year, especially considering the losses on the offensive line, he could possibly be a first round pick. But teams are going away from franchise QB's in the first round. That will also work against him.

If you want to see McCarron succeed in the NFL, you should hope he doesn't go in the top 10. Those teams are there for a reason, and it's usually because their offensive line blow.

Sudden Sam wrote:But watch him play.

I have. He's a nice QB on an elite team. Nothing dynamic about his game at all, and certainly not a top 10 talent.

Killian wrote:Tim Tebow was a winner...All three are out of the league.

Speaking of...Think Sam will be bumping this thread anytime soon?

on August 30, 2010, Sudden Sam wrote:All of you who ridiculed my saying Tebow would be a good pro QB may have to eat a little crow in a year or so.

Killian wrote:But teams are going away from franchise QB's in the first round.

I don't know about that. It wasn't that long ago (2011) that three QBs were taken in the top 10 (plus one at #12). Then three went in the top 10 the following year. Simply put, the talent was extremely thin at that position in this last draft, and should be next year as well.

Define "high." Give me a round, and a pick number.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Killian wrote:But teams are going away from franchise QB's in the first round.

I don't know about that. It wasn't that long ago (2011) that three QBs were taken in the top 10 (plus one at #12). Then three went in the top 10 the following year. Simply put, the talent was extremely thin at that position in this last draft, and should be next year as well.

You could be right. Although, I think there are teams out there who realize that QB is becoming a position similar to RB in that you don’t have to get one high, you just have to get one that fits what you want to run and value can be had in later picks.

And Sam, I'm not trying to take away from McCarron as a college QB. He's damn good, and will likely go down as the winningest all time or close too it. But he reminds me of Jimmy Clausen on a much better team. Solid arm, very accurate, good decision maker. Perhaps some of the same maturity questions, but who knows for sure.

Sam, don't make me take this to the Shot Call forum. That's where shit gets real.

I wouldn't say they're too far off. Fran had a girl's name, Tebow just threw like a girl.

If McCarron played for Cal he might have a chance to win an MNC.

Oh wait...

FOOTBALL IS GETTIN' CLOSE BOYS!!!!!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Define "high." Give me a round, and a pick number.

1991. 1st Round. Pick 24.


Pretty high.

i like AJ but who the fuck knows how the QB position plays out in the NFL?

least of all, the NFL.

to me, depends on who takes him. AJ ain't gonna win games on his own.....but, he could hold the clipboard for a couple years...and run a team successfully that has some run game and real OL. i don't think he can go to some shit team and be successful taking a lot of hits and no one to throw to. defense sucks and you have to score 30 to win every sunday.

he's not john elway but if the smartest man on planet earth, trent dilfer, can win a super bowl....aj could be successful.

I'm pretty sure he's the best QB who ever played football.

Sudden Sam wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Define "high." Give me a round, and a pick number.

That will depend completely on what teams flounder and where their weaknesses lie.

But, just to satisfy you, how about mid-1st round at the worst.

Soooooo... gonna stick to your guns on this one?

Sudden Sam wrote:He'll go tonight. Maybe the 1st pick.

Come on, dude. This is just getting embarrassing now.

Patriots brass were so impressed with McCarron, they just drafted Janeane Garofalo.

Sudden Sam wrote:Remember this is coming from the idiot who suggested that Tebow would make it.

If it's any consolation, Sam, I don't think you're that stupid. We all make mistakes. I just think when it comes to all things SEC, the part of your brain that is responsible for rational thought is replaced by unadulterated fanboy homerism.

You can't help it. It's a condition.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Patriots brass were so impressed with McCarron, they just drafted Janeane Garofalo.

Wait -- no NFL teams have yet shown an interest in a QB who wears concrete shoes and has a range of about 10 yards?

I'm surprised.

Dinsdale wrote:Wait -- no NFL teams have yet shown an interest in a QB who wears concrete shoes and has a range of about 10 yards?

Caught a bit of the NFL Network today. They were saying the knocks on him per some of the teams they talked to were:

-Didn't face much adversity (a point brought up in here by myself and others)
-Personality issues (reports that he wasn't all that well liked in the locker room, coach's pet, wasn't a leader of men)
-Didn't like that he's doing a reality TV show
-Talent doesn't stand out in any one area, just average-to-good at most things
-Below average athleticism

Essentially, he's just another body. Another arm. He could actually get a crack at some point though. Dalton doesn't inspire and doesn't seem to be getting any better in Cincy.

Sudden Sam wrote:I think he should have gone no later than the 2nd round and I think that will be clear in a couple of years.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Come on, man. You've got a chance to end the bleeding right here, right now. Just...stop.

Sudden Sam wrote:If you'd watched all the games AJ played at Bama, you'd have seen a damn good QB with no weaknesses.

I didn't, but people who do this stuff for a living did, and they seem to disagree with you. They also didn't watch all those games from the perspective of an Alabama fan, but from the perspective of dispassionate professional talent evaluators.

We all get stuff wrong. But you were just so damn sure of this one!

AJ was 2-2 against Auburn.

Deal with it.

He's a tool. With marginal talent.

Just the facts, Jack.

Sudden Sam wrote:He was rated no worse than a 2nd round pick by NFL GMs until his interviews.

Link?

Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr - from start to finish, those were the names being talked about as the top QBs in the draft. McCarron was never mentioned with that group. Hell, even the kid out of Eastern Illinois was slotted ahead of McCarron on mock draft boards, so it was no real surprise that he went before him.

Guys with criminal/legal histories get drafted in the first and second rounds. And you think poor interview skills dropped him three whole rounds?

The delusion is strong with this one.

Off-the-field stuff doesn't mean jack if you can play. The NFL will look past it. It can hurt the fringe guys though.

Phil Savage? This Phil Savage?



It might be telling to hear the number of scouts he talked to and what their credentials are. Interesting that while the vast majority of scouts he spoke to saw McCarron as a second- or third-round pick, none of them were able to convince their teams to pick him in the second or third round. Or the fourth, for that matter.

Late third-round pick, I might buy.

First or second-round? Nah. If he was graded out as such according to the "vast majority of NFL scouts," then there's no way he plummets all the way to late in the fifth, not on poor interview skills alone. 90% of the league is full of brash, arrogant assholes...many of whom can barely formulate a coherent sentence.

Personality might drop you a few spots. Mediocre talent will drop you a few rounds.

See if I've got this right...

Sam is continuing an argument where he's been PROVEN, beyond any shadow of doubt, to be wrong?

Again -- it's not a stereotype. They really are just stupid.