Paying college athletes...

[Left Seater]

Clearly there are different thoughts on this. I think if this question is asked of our country as a whole the percentages would be pretty close. If you just ask college football fans I think the majority would say that they should be paid something. Then when you ask that group that says they should be paid how to work that around Title IX and NCAA rules there is no suggestion.


So, for those that do think the athletes should be paid, how does it get set up so that it is compliant with Title IX? What NCAA bylaws would you change to make it kosher with the NCAA? How much should they be paid? Who handles it? Do they get the money immediately?

[Killian]

The one change I would make would be to allow student athletes to have jobs outside of their season. For all I know this could have already been changed but if it hasn't, it should be.

[Left Seater]

I could go along with this, but it would have to be very tightly controlled. I would think the students would need to work for the school instead of outside intrests.

They can have summer jobs now, but remember the issues we have seen recently of players getting paid for doing nothing or not even showing up or getting huge bonuses for just showing up.

[Dinsdale]

They can have summer jobs now, but remember the issues we have seen recently of players getting paid for doing nothing or not even showing up or getting huge bonuses for just showing up.

Huh? I'm sure he worked hard All Day long.

[Killian]

I could go along with this, but it would have to be very tightly controlled. I would think the students would need to work for the school instead of outside intrests.

They can have summer jobs now, but remember the issues we have seen recently of players getting paid for doing nothing or not even showing up or getting huge bonuses for just showing up.

Your last paragraph isn't uncommon in the real world either. Just look at Detroit.

As for your first paragraph, I agree. In a perfect world, they could employe the kids in their field of study. Even if they don't do that, there are plenty of cafateria's, libraries, etc. around every campus.

[Left Seater]

Exactly! Let them serve their fellow students if they want pocket money.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I could go along with this, but it would have to be very tightly controlled. I would think the students would need to work for the school instead of outside intrests.

They can have summer jobs now, but remember the issues we have seen recently of players getting paid for doing nothing or not even showing up or getting huge bonuses for just showing up.

Your last paragraph isn't uncommon in the real world either. Just look at Detroit.

As for your first paragraph, I agree. In a perfect world, they could employe the kids in their field of study. Even if they don't do that, there are plenty of cafateria's, libraries, etc. around every campus.

I see the reasoning behind employing kids at school. The problem is that if you offer one of those jobs to a student-athlete, you're taking it away from another kid who may need it even more because he doesn't have an athletic scholarship.

As for summer jobs, summer practice schedules have expanded considerably since I was a student, so a summer job becomes problematic for a kid who lives some distance away from the school he attends.

[M2]

Here's an interesting note about the NCAA's hypocrisy in this situation...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr- ... 16523.html



Oh yeah, according to this story, there are heaps of other players linked to the same broker as the one connected publicly with Johnny Manziel. Jadaveon Clowney, Braxton Miller, De'Anthony Thomas, Ka'Deem Carey and others. This could get ugly if these guys were getting paid for it (which hasn't been demonstrated just yet).

Just further evidence of the NCAA losing control and having any kind of visibility of what's happening beneath the surface of college football and basketball.


http://fansided.com/2013/08/07/autograp ... -for-sale/

[Left Seater]

Someone please explain how this is any different than any other employee or contractor relationship?


Let's take my brother for example. He works for the Port of Portland in the airport division. He had an idea back in the day to help airlines save fuel and to reduce noise around the PDX airport. His boss had him work with Boeing for two years to develop a new approach to PDX called continuous decent. He was part of the cutting edge team that made that idea come to be and is included on the patent. But because he works for the Port of Portland in conjunction with Boeing, he doesn't profit off of his idea. Boeing and the Port are the ones making the money.

The benefit to him is now that it is fully developed and functioning at PDX, he is in demand as a go to in setting up and implementing this approach for other airports. The Port and Boeing gave him a chance to display his skill and knowledge and now he is free to take his nameplate to other airports that want him to help him set up this type of approach.

This is the same as Johnny Football. The NCAA and ATM gave him a platform to display his talent, which he did. In exchange for that platform and tuition and room and board, he gave up any right to profit from his name, talent, etc. He is free to leave at any time he wants and to take his talents and name anywhere he wants pending legal agreements. He could go play in the CFL today if he wanted. He could walk away today and sign endorsement deals and get drafted in April. Same as any other business where you are not the owner.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

I think it should be a combination of #1 and #3. Pay athletes a modest stipend. They should also be free to sign whatever outside endorsement deals they can arrange, on the conditions that 1) they don't use the school's name/likeness in any ads and 2) they forfeit their scholarship/stipend and pay their own way, ostensibly freeing up that scholarship for a non-revenue athlete.

[Mikey]

Here's an interesting note about the NCAA's hypocrisy in this situation...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr- ... 16523.html



Oh yeah, according to this story, there are heaps of other players linked to the same broker as the one connected publicly with Johnny Manziel. Jadaveon Clowney, Braxton Miller, De'Anthony Thomas, Ka'Deem Carey and others. This could get ugly if these guys were getting paid for it (which hasn't been demonstrated just yet).

Just further evidence of the NCAA losing control and having any kind of visibility of what's happening beneath the surface of college football and basketball.


http://fansided.com/2013/08/07/autograp ... -for-sale/

Not too often I agree with m2, but I am definitely agreeing this time. If the kids can't make money off of THEIR fucking name, then the NCfuckingAA shouldn't be able to, either. I saw that sneaky shit on ESPN today (where they had the jerseys up & then took them offline), and that pissed me off.

How about this one for hypocrisy (Schmick should love this one)...

[M2]

They've always paid college players at the "football factories"... tell me you knew ?


The youngsters on this board are just to naive... to have figured this out.


That's why I'm here... (the truth)


A great 49er and fuskie player and one of the best football players to ever live... speaks (the truth)






The untold story of Hugh McElhenny, the King of Montlake
In the twilight of his life, former Huskies star comes clean about fame, football and taking a pay cut to turn pro

http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article ... oto-640120

[Left Seater]

Thanks for posting that story m2. I just lost some respect for Hugh. He says he knew it was wrong, yet he continued to take the money. Now he feels bad and prolly wants to clear his conscience since his time is short. Whatever. If you really felt it was wrong then, why did you keep taking it. No different than stealing IMO.


This also screams for needed reforms that I have been talking about for years.

1) Any scholarship NCAA athlete who knowingly accepts illegal benefits should be held criminally liable. Want to take money which you know is illegal under the rules? Do so with the threat of jail time and fines payable to the school.

2) Hold agents criminally responsible as well when they offer illegal benefits. Also hold the agents responsible for the runners, bag men, etc that they hire to do their dirty work. Hard to be an agent when you are in jail.

3) Hold autograph brokers, boosters, and anyone else criminally liable for their part in helping athletes receive illegal benefits.

[Dinsdale]

1) Any scholarship NCAA athlete who knowingly accepts illegal benefits should be held criminally liable. Want to take money which you know is illegal under the rules? Do so with the threat of jail time and fines payable to the school.

2) Hold agents criminally responsible as well when they offer illegal benefits. Also hold the agents responsible for the runners, bag men, etc that they hire to do their dirty work. Hard to be an agent when you are in jail.

3) Hold autograph brokers, boosters, and anyone else criminally liable for their part in helping athletes receive illegal benefits.

Didn't realize you were such a fan of big federal government.

Apparently, your mouth has two distinct sides to it.

[Left Seater]

A few laws are hardly big federal government.

The problem right now is that there is zero deterrent for agents etc to keep paying college athletes.

Example, a year after LaMichael James enters the NFL it is proven that Uncle Phil paid him under the table while he was still playing. Nothing but a little bad PR would come to LaMichael or Phil. Oregon on the other hand would face sanctions. With criminal charges possible it is less likely that Phil pays that money to LaMichael.

Some states already make this a state crime, Florida and Texas most notably, but 45 states don't.

[Laxplayer]

Nope, don't pay em at all. They get enough for free. If you want to pay them then go ahead but make them foot the bill for all their tuition, books, room, board etc. One question I've constantly asked but have never had answered is this one:
Let's take little Johnny as an example. He's a high school player. His parents pay for everything. Food, housing, transportation, his spending money etc....all the things he needs. Once Johnny gets to college why all of a sudden can't mommy and daddy send him money for all those things we hear about? Well he needs money for a movie and pizza. Why can't mom and dad step up. My daughter plays D-1 soccer. She's on a partial scholarship. She needs spending money. Well she worked all summer and I send her what she needs. She has more free clothes from her team than you can imagine. She gets fed, she had medical care, she has part of her education paid for. No, the school isn't making any money off of her but she doesn't deserve to be paid. Her payment is her education is paid for and she'll hopefully get a job when she graduates.
The problem as I see it is that all these dip shits think they're going to the NFL and never get the free education. Even if they make it studies have proven that 80+% end up broke within a few years after retirement. So why give them money? So they can waste it on shit their parents should be paying for anyway. Also don't give me this bullcrap about little poor Johnny who came from a dirt floor house with no roof. I teach at a school that leads our area in free lunch, free PE clothes, free testing fees etc.....EVERY FUCKING one of those kids has an I-phone, an I-whatever and very nice clothes.
Do people work internships at jobs? Hell yes. It prepares them for the real world if they are to get a job with that company. Is someone benefiting from their free service? Hell yes. What's different about that than College sports?

[M2]

Jesus Christ... mix in a paragraph... you illiterate.


Gamblers... you want to retire early ???


The team that beat Ohio State upside the head last year, and only lost due to having a fatfurd as a coach.


Is a 7 point dog at home... to a team that beat nobody last year and had the 93rd best pass defense in the country, while playing in the Big 10, where they don't know what a forward pass is.


Pssst... Cal will have the coach and OC that had the best offense in the country last year... and put up 57 points on an SEC team that beat Alabama.

This coach did it with 2 star talent.

He'll be playing with Cal talent this year... so, take that into consideration... when you go to the bank and collect your first retirement check.


Just a heads up... my gambling derelicts.

[M2]

My bad... this is how Cal students roll when they leave school







Like I said, take this one to the bank (Cal vs Northwestern)... and sit back and watch college football for a living, while getting paid.

[Shoalzie]

I'm anti-pay the players but the NCAA can't endorse the selling of licensed apparel and memorabilia with the likeness of any player while they're active student athletes...sell replica helmets, sell shirts and hats with the team logo but no more jerseys. If they'd stop selling the jerseys, maybe that would stop or slow down the year-to-year changes to uniforms so you actually know who the hell these teams are. Market only the name on the front of the jersey and the players won't have any reason to feel exploited.

[Shoalzie]

As for Manziel, if he wanted to help push for a movement to compensate athletes...I'm fine with that. But let's not start a movement after the guy is in the wrong after signing a metric ton of autographs for money and then tries to push back against the system. This isn't the guy to hitch your cause wagon to.

[Left Seater]

Why is it illegal?

Simple, the schools that make up the NCAA decided it would be so.

[Left Seater]

So the schools that agreed to the rule in the first place will now tear the institution apart because the institution followed said rule?

That makes a ton of sense.



Now we very well may see 50 or 60 schools break away from the NCAA at some point and form their own assoc. However, they still will have legal challenges (Title IX) in order to pay the players.

[Left Seater]

If SC or others felt that way then they could sue.


We get that you don't like Title IX, but that won't get you anything.

[Left Seater]

If that is true, why aren't you and other SC fans working to get him fired? Instead you purchased season ticket again.

[Left Seater]

All that to agree with me? You voted with your wallet.