Socialist Action are a bunch of dirty Trotskyites, but we'll settle that matter after the coming class war.
I"ll take the 'class' that has the most guns and give the points.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:03 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Nobody cares what you think, loser.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:18 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
A good time was had by all...some...me.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:59 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:38 pm
by Wolfman
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:59 pm
by BSmack
It is called Democratic Socialism. And we would hardly be the first country to embrace the concept.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:04 pm
by BSmack
Where Wolfie learned about socialism.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:55 pm
by Wolfman
Democratic Socialism? Could there ever be a more exemplary oxymoron? Orwell's Animal Farm says it all.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:09 pm
by Jay in Phoenix
Wolfman kind of hit a solid point here, as the "Animal Farm" analogy is pretty right on.
Great book by Orwell and a lesson through analogy, that seems to have been forgotten, or ignored, over the years.
Especially in this country and this administration and the drones who buy into what they're selling.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:27 pm
by mvscal
BSmack wrote:It is called Democratic Socialism. And we would hardly be the first country to embrace the concept.
Sure. It's working just swell in Venezuela. We should be more like them. Good plan. Oh, wait that's exactly what we're doing one wetback at a time.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:52 pm
by Wolfman
Maybe Bri and others could live in a place where something as basic as a roll of Charmin is scarce. I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:05 am
by Jay in Phoenix
Wolfman wrote:Maybe Bri and others could live in a place where something as basic as a roll of Charmin is scarce. I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
It is odd that you used that example Wolfie. A very long long time ago I made a short film where a thief was going through several trials to steal an incredibly valuable object, only to have the reveal be a single roll of toilet tissue. Your premise is not so far off, given the topic.
Bread, milk, paper...how we take these basic staples for granted.
Price eggs lately?
Stay tuned.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:06 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Wolfman wrote:I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
The freedom to die in a ditch.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:13 am
by Jay in Phoenix
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Wolfman wrote:I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
The freedom to die in a ditch.
Have you even read Orwell Marty?
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:16 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Jay in Phoenix wrote:
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Wolfman wrote:I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
The freedom to die in a ditch.
Have you even read Orwell Marty?
Have you?
Do you even know what Animal Farm is about?
Do you know anything about Orwell's backstory? His politics? His affiliations?
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:23 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Your bourgeois ruling class wishes that you don't investigate your own country's long and rich history of socialism.
It was pretty much "field tested" in America over a hundred years ago.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:25 am
by mvscal
Jay in Phoenix wrote:
Wolfman wrote:Maybe Bri and others could live in a place where something as basic as a roll of Charmin is scarce. I choose free enterprise. It even gives me choices.
It is odd that you used that example Wolfie.
"You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country. I don't think the media appreciates the kind of stress that ordinary Americans are working on."
--Bernie Sanders
I, for one, am certainly relieved that Bernie Sanders is here to tell me what I do not need. I can hardly wait to find out which other things I might not need.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:35 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
mvscal wrote:I can hardly wait to find out which other things I might not need.
I don't know about Bernie, but personally, I would make blindfolds "optional".
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:41 am
by Jay in Phoenix
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:
Have you even read Orwell Marty?
Have you?
Do you even know what Animal Farm is about?
Do you know anything about Orwell's backstory? His politics? His affiliations?
Yes, of course I have read Orwell. I could care less about his history or backstory, I am only referring to his book and the message within. Are you telling me you embrace the socialistic warnings that the story is about?
I know the message of the book, I am just wondering if YOU do?
No offense dude, but theoretical history is on the horizon.
Do you want to have more than just milk in bags?
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:56 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Orwell (a committed Trotskyite) was warning about authoritarianism, but I'll grant it that Stalinism was in his sites primarily.
If you equate organised labour and free education with Stalinism, you have a screw loose.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:06 am
by Dr_Phibes
Jay in Phoenix wrote:
Yes, of course I have read Orwell. I could care less about his history or backstory, I am only referring to his book and the message within. Are you telling me you embrace the socialistic warnings that the story is about?
I know the message of the book, I am just wondering if YOU do?
It's important to know Orwell's background to know that he wasn't a socialist. He might have thought he was for a short period of time, but he soon discovered that he didn't have the bottle for it and didn't understand it. There are socialist warnings in the book from an early, failed militant hippy, not from a socialist.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:16 am
by mvscal
Dr_Phibes wrote:It's important to know Orwell's background to know that he wasn't a socialist. He might have thought he was for a short period of time, but he soon discovered that he didn't have the bottle for it and didn't understand it. There are socialist warnings in the book from an early, failed militant hippy, not from a socialist.
Ah yes, of course, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. We certainly haven't seen that feeble gambit employed before in the defense of "real" socialism. Oh, wait...
Run along, junior.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:18 am
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Dr_Phibes wrote:
It's important to know Orwell's background to know that he wasn't a socialist. He might have thought he was for a short period of time, but he soon discovered that he didn't have the bottle for it and didn't understand it. There are socialist warnings in the book from an early, failed militant hippy, not from a socialist.
Oh, come on...
He was a comrade...but you're painting him as a Pussy Riot, gonzo activist...
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:24 am
by Dr_Phibes
No fallacy. Middle-class wannabe Rambo played soldier, got shot in the neck and discovered the real thing wasn't much fun. Ratted out his friends and went on to attack real, existing socialism for the rest of his days using allegory. He was not a socialist and said nothing concrete to refute. I'm simply doing what he did.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:21 pm
by mvscal
And what, exactly, have you done in service to "the real thing" other than squirt off in your Che Guevara jammies?
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:11 pm
by BSmack
Jay in Phoenix wrote:Wolfman kind of hit a solid point here, as the "Animal Farm" analogy is pretty right on.
Great book by Orwell and a lesson through analogy, that seems to have been forgotten, or ignored, over the years.
Especially in this country and this administration and the drones who buy into what they're selling.
I'm not shocked that Wolfie doesn't get Animal Farm. I am surprised you missed the point. Animal Farm is no more a critique of the Democratic Socialism than it is a an expose of 1980's WWF Superstars. Now had you said Stalinism, you would have been spot on.
Re: Socialism In My Neighbourhood
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:15 pm
by Left Seater
Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
If you equate organised labour and free education with Stalinism, you have a screw loose.
How is that organized labor working out for the longshoremen in Portland? We demand X, Y and Z. Since we aren't getting it we will slow down or not work. Wait, uhhh...what do you mean no more ships are coming to Portland...ummm...we are ready to work now. We have bills and mortgages and need food. Wait, you are really serious that we no longer have jobs. Ohh crap.
