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Thought you said they were going to go 0-8?

Sudden Sam wrote:Poor Lovie.

I have no idea why anybody thought that clown could coach. He sucks donkey dick.

The good news is the whole division sucks., so they'll be in it until the end.

I'm from San Diego and like the Chargers. Brian is our resident Steeler fan. From what I understand they made a lot of mistakes/penalties and their defense is a sieve.

Fuck you. :brad:

Papa Willie wrote:Falcons update. New logo!

A gun would be more appropriate.

Rack the Lions for winning despite their own incompetence. They fail to get off the snap on time and then miss the kick, only to come through on the second attempt.

Rack the Lions!

Tough stretch for the Leos after the bye...Dolphins, Cardinals and Patriots.

Nobody cares.

Papa Willie wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Nobody cares.

My balls won't fit in your mouth.

Faggot.

4-6 and leading the division.

:doh:

The NFL SEC.......a true meat grinder.

Papa Willie wrote:

R-Jack wrote:The NFL SEC.......a true meat grinder.

More like a shit-strainer. What sucks, is that it has really been a pretty good conference through the years.

Not now. Not at all.

No. It has not been a pretty good division over the years. Occasionally a couple of good teams. But top to bottom? No.

Why do the Falcons suck so much dirty, greasy, hairy ballbags?

:?

HOYER THE DESTROYER!

Had a terrible game, but was clutch when it counted. The AFC North ain't fucking around.

I heard on the radio this morning that the 2-10 Tampa Bay Fuckin'queers still weren't mathematically eliminated. Nice division.

Shit happens almost every year you old ass pervert.

Papa Willie wrote:And this week - they look almost semi-pro. The Cards have problems. Big problems.

Yes, they do, and yet they still managed to beat KC and continue to control their own destiny.

Next up, the rest of their own division and a whole lot of trouble in Seattle and a suddenly surging St. Louis club. San Fransissyco, meh...not so much.

Bucmonkey wrote:Shit happens almost every year you old ass pervert.

Not that bad.

Let's hope so.

Papa Willie wrote: It is absurd that a team with a losing record can win a division when there are more deserving teams with winning records out there...

No, it isn't. Win your division or fuck off.

mvscal wrote:No, it isn't. Win your division or fuck off.

Yes, it is.

Even most NFL pundits would agree with the assessment that best records deserve playoff appearances. True, the division winner has always been granted a spot in the playoffs, but with what the NFC South has done this year, many would argue that the system needs to be looked at. It's ludicrous that a sub .500 team should get in while an 11-5 or better should get snubbed. Just because what is in place now and has been for decades, is what we're forced to deal with, doesn't dictate it can't or shouldn't, be tweaked.

Your argument is old and complete horseshit.

A 7-9 Seattle team made the playoffs a couple years ago, went on the road and kicked one of those "more deserving 11-5 teams" right in the cunt (s'up Nog Orleans?).

Fuck that. It would destroy the entire concept of divisions and the rivalries which are a huge part of the game and turn it into some kind of round robin tournament which would astoundingly gay.

The first order of business for any team is to win your division.

Win your division and you're in. Period

If you want to tweak it....give home feild to the better record.

Nobody here is suggesting doing away with divisions or especially rivalries. That would be ridiculous. However, there has to be some level of performance to grade playoff spots by. A team with a 6-10 record or worse (which we damn near had) getting in over a 11 - 5 total or better is just bad football. If a division winner absolutely must go, and I agree that this should be the case, why not cast that team as one of the wild cards, giving the higher percentage team the home field. At least that would satisfy the position of a division winner as well as teams deserving to be in by wins.

Mvscal, your argument for the Seahawks is justified, but that isn't exactly the same as the Saints or Panthers of this year. This is all probably pointless anyway, as the system isn't going to change any time soon.

Boo fucking hoo. The owners could've voted against four divisions in each conference, the real reason this anomaly is possible, but they needed to justify two more playoff teams and three wild card teams would've been rediculous.

So deal with it asshats.

"Wild Card" is a gay thing.
It's done for the sake of money, and is not reflective of sincere competition.

If over the course of a 16 game season, another team in your division posts a better record than you, they have PROVEN THEIR SUPERIORITY.
"Wild Card" is a 2nd chance.

You don't deserve a 2nd fucking chance.
You had 16 damn games to nut up, chumps.

If I'm an athlete, I don't want a 2nd fucking chance.
It's gay as hell.

It's patronizing and it only serves to diminish true competition.


Some years a division is strong, some years it is weak.
Big deal.
Get over it.

If you win your division, you've earned the right to be in post-season.

Papa Willie wrote:Well - the NFC South has been a pretty damned good division. This year it's total shit. You could honestly see a 6 game winner in the playoffs. That's fucked. Don't care what the rules are - it's just gay.

Exactly the point, one which a couple of our fellow "asshats" can't seem to comprehend. For them, it's all about sticking with what is and has been, instead of making the system better.

There wouldn't be at least the first step toward a college playoff tier now if they had remained stagnant with the Bowls. At least now they are trying something new.

But go ahead and enjoy a suck team in the playoffs while a deserving team stays home.

Deal with that.

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Deal with that.

Sure. I have no problem whatsoever with the best team in each division advancing to the playoffs.

Jay wrote:Nobody here is suggesting doing away with divisions or especially rivalries.

It sounds like you want the 6 teams with the best records in each conference to make the playoffs.

This is what they do in the NBA, and the divisions in the NBA are a big ----> WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Winning a division means nothing.
The divisions mean nothing.

In fact, if you click on the ESPN NBA standings, the page comes up looking like this...

Eastern

1 Toronto 20 6 .769 -
2 Washington 18 6 .750 1
3 Atlanta 18 7 .720 1 ½
4 Chicago 15 9 .625 4
5 Cleveland 14 10 .583 5
6 Milwaukee 13 13 .500
7 Miami 12 14 .462 8
8 Brooklyn 10 14 .417 9
Boston 9 14 .391 9 ½
Orlando 10 18 .357 11
Indiana 8 18 .308 12
Charlotte 6 19 .240 13 ½
Detroit 5 21 .192 15
New York 5 22 .185 15 ½
Philadelphia 2 22 .083 17




So here are your standing, Jay.


NFC

Arizona 11-3
Detroit 10-4
Dallas 10-4
Green Bay 10-4
Seattle 10-4
Philadelphia 9-5
San Francisco 7-7
Minnesota 6-8
New Orleans 6-8
St. Louis 6-8
Carolina 5-8-1
Atlanta 5-9
Chicago 5-9
NY Giants 5-9
Washington 3-11
Tampa Bay 2-12

poptart wrote:It sounds like you want the 6 teams with the best records in each conference to make the playoffs.

If a division winner has a 6-10 record or worse and still wins their shitty division, then yes, spot on. But as mentioned, they should still qualify for a wild-card, as long as we're stuck with that.

What doesn't make sense is you and the rest NOT getting behind this. Once again, and with feeling, the divisions are fine. The rivalries are great. Nobody wants to change that.

This is what they do in the NBA, and the divisions in the NBA are a big ----> WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Winning a division means nothing.
The divisions mean nothing.

I don't give a big flying fuck what they do in the NBA. That is irrelevant and stupid to bring up.

98% of the time a division winner has a strong record and almost always has. We're talking about a rare exception here, when a division is horrible and the winner is the best of the worst. How could you honestly want to watch a losing team enter the playoffs to get knocked out in a bad game? Come on poptart, all we're talking about here is getting the best teams for the most competitive games into the playoffs.

So here are your standing, Jay.


NFC

Arizona 11-3
Detroit 10-4
Dallas 10-4
Green Bay 10-4
Seattle 10-4
Philadelphia 9-5
San Francisco 7-7
Minnesota 6-8
New Orleans 6-8
St. Louis 6-8
Carolina 5-8-1
Atlanta 5-9
Chicago 5-9
NY Giants 5-9
Washington 3-11
Tampa Bay 2-12

Well, you can roll your eyes all you want, those top teams deserve to be in. Period.

If you want to watch crap sports, be my guest.

poptart wrote: It sounds like you want the 6 teams with the best records in each conference to make the playoffs.

This is what they do in the NBA, and the divisions in the NBA are a big ----> WHO GIVES A SHIT?


Winning a division means nothing.
The divisions mean nothing.

In fact, if you click on the ESPN NBA standings, the page comes up looking like this...

Eastern

1 Toronto 20 6 .769 -
2 Washington 18 6 .750 1
3 Atlanta 18 7 .720 1 ½
4 Chicago 15 9 .625 4
5 Cleveland 14 10 .583 5
6 Milwaukee 13 13 .500
7 Miami 12 14 .462 8
8 Brooklyn 10 14 .417 9
Boston 9 14 .391 9 ½
Orlando 10 18 .357 11
Indiana 8 18 .308 12
Charlotte 6 19 .240 13 ½
Detroit 5 21 .192 15
New York 5 22 .185 15 ½
Philadelphia 2 22 .083 17

Uhm... no. Rant away, but making shit up out of thin air probably isn't the best way to go about it.

If the NBA Playoffs started tomorrow, the seeding for the East would be:

1. Toronto
2. Washington
3. Chicago
4. Atlanta

And you know why Chicago is ahead of Atlanta?

Wait for it...

Because they would have won the division, guaranteeing them one of the top 3 seeds.

It's the same format as the NFL, dumbass (only with 8 teams per conference instead of 6).

And just like the NFL, the divisions breed bitter rivalries.

Jay,
This would concern more people if the chance to avoid watching the cowboys pissing down their leg in January was not a legit possibility.

R-Jack wrote:Jay,
This would concern more people if the chance to avoid watching the cowboys pissing down their leg in January was not a legit possibility.

Okay, that is the best argument anyone could come up with for that point.

The bonus is watching Cowboy fan and YAFJ in particular, cry himself to sleep while hugging his Dallas Snuggie.

One of the rare times I agree with mvscal...it's not broken handwringers...

Dinsdale wrote:And you know why Chicago is ahead of Atlanta?

Wait for it...

Because they would have won the division, guaranteeing them one of the top 3 seeds.

No, the standings as I posted them are correct.
Chicago would be seeded below Atlanta, despite being a division winner.



The team that has the best record in each of the three divisions in each conference is declared division champion. The three division champions, and another team in the conference with the best record, are seeded one through four by their records. This guarantees the division champions no worse than the fourth seed, and also guarantees the team with the second-best record in the conference will be the second seed even if isn't a division champion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_playoffs



A 2nd seed doesn't even need to be a division winner, unlike the NFL.

So if we applied that to the NBA format to the NFL (and looking at the current NFL standings), we might hypothetically end up with say, AZ and SEA as the top two seeds, even though SEA is not a division winner.

Papa Willie wrote:I'm okay (just barely) with at least a .500 getting in. But 6-10? Come on, man!

So what if they're 6-10. If they win the Super Bowl, they will be a .500 team.

Same here Papa. A .500 team is okay, but 6 -10...fuck that. Also, nobody is saying anything about a broken system, just one that could benefit from a slight buy important shift.

No handwringing here Buc, I just think it's stupid for teams with bad records getting a playoff bid. EOS.

Oh and Goober, no 6 - 10 will ever win a Super Bowl.

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Oh and Goober, no 6 - 10 will ever win a Super Bowl.

You have no basis for making that statement. Green Bay loses Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and Eddie Lacy in the first week of the season, but NFC North is really down. Rodgers, Matthews and Lacy come back the last few weeks of the season and they take the division at 6-10, winning their last 3 games in a row.

They're hot in the playoffs and win it all. Highly unlikely, yes. Impossible, no. Has a 6 seed ever won it all?

It's like me saying "Jay in Phoenix will never suck another dick." Highly unlikely, yes. Impossible, no.

I have every basis for making that statement, as it has never happened. Nor will.

Also, keep you weirdo, sick ghey fantasies to yourself, creepo.