College

Dan Vogel · Post by **Dan Vogel** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:24 am

My daughter is in her last year of HS and is now in the final stage of plans for next year. I will make a long story short. She applied to a few colleges and has now set her heart on an out of state school where she plans to study fashion design. It will cost a lot and she said she will get student loans to help. But I know the drill. I will end up with the high percentige of cost. And it's cost is twice what it would be if she just stayed in the state and chose a school here. But for a few reasons she wants to go away and go to this school which is supposedly a good one for her major. We've already had conflict in the house about this and her mother is taking her side. When I've brought up alternative ideas she has said I am ruining her dream and the she will only go to college once in her life. That kind of thing.

My own personal idea is that she should not only stay in state but should go to a community college for her first 3 or 4 semensters. By my own calculation this would be around 1/4 the cost of going out of state to this expensive school. It's dumb. And I want her to study nursing anyway. I think the future job opportunities will be a lot better. The nursing field will always be in demand. She and her mom have their head in the clouds and are not based in reality. But maybe there are other ideas too other than college. Not everyone even needs to go to college. And to be honest she isn't a great student to begin with. She's sort of average. But she's excited because this supposedly great school pursued her and accepted her.

We already have been struggling since Bush ruined the economy in 2007. Since then it's been a monthly struggle just to say in our home. And now I'm going to be saddled with a lot more debt. We're already in debt and it's in my own personal name. I've lost sleep over this and I can't make any headway in talking to the women. We seem to have a different life. Frustrating. So my help I want from you is just to offer any practical suggestions that I might be able to talk to them about and take up with them. Now the clock is ticking and she plans to make her final decision very soon. I don't have time to wast any longer.

I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:33 am

she doesn't want to be a nurse, asshole. stop pissing on her dreams. the fashion design degree will give her a good shot at getting that asst manager position at forever 21 after she graduates. sounds like you are already a financial mess, so another 100K in loans will make that impending bankruptcy worth it. just don't do fed loans. the feds are about as sympathetic to deadbeat bankrupter as the local mob loan shark.

Dan Vogel · Post by **Dan Vogel** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:37 am

Happy Halloween to you too jerk.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:41 pm

Dan,

There's some great websites that your daughter should look into. They will actually pay her for modeling, probably enough for tuition and books.

There's one called xhamster (how cute!). Check it for yourself.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:00 pm

You can barely stay in your home, yet your wife wants to take on more debt?

Either you are hiding the full picture from her or she is not very smart.

But I think you are trolling here, since you brought politics into the discussion. Since 2007 the current idiot in charge has doubled down on Bush policies and done far more damage himself. But you know that.

You want a real suggestion? Give your daughter a total dollar figure you are willing to finance. Then show her how much further that would go if she went the Juco route to start. Then show her what she will have to fund herself for both options.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:01 pm

I would listen to Carson. He'll put your daughter on the right track.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:31 pm

Hi Dan,

Why don't you have your daughter give me a call. I have helped many young ladies establish their own businesses as...independent contractors. Even after my agency fees are deducted, I will ensure that she has a steady and reliable revenue stream. Plus the hours will enable her to attend classes during the day.

It's a win-win.

Your pal,

mvscal

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:48 pm

mvscal wrote:Hi Dan,

Why don't you have your daughter give me a call. I have helped many young ladies establish their own businesses as...independent contractors. Even after my agency fees are deducted, I will ensure that she has a steady and reliable revenue stream. Plus the hours will enable her to attend classes during the day.

It's a win-win.

Your pal,

mvscal

is revenue the french word for jizz?

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:15 pm

Dan Vogel wrote:My daughter is in her last year of HS and is now in the final stage of plans for next year. I will make a long story short. She applied to a few colleges and has now set her heart on an out of state school where she plans to study fashion design. It will cost a lot and she said she will get student loans to help. But I know the drill. I will end up with the high percentige of cost. And it's cost is twice what it would be if she just stayed in the state and chose a school here. But for a few reasons she wants to go away and go to this school which is supposedly a good one for her major. We've already had conflict in the house about this and her mother is taking her side. When I've brought up alternative ideas she has said I am ruining her dream and the she will only go to college once in her life. That kind of thing.

My own personal idea is that she should not only stay in state but should go to a community college for her first 3 or 4 semensters. By my own calculation this would be around 1/4 the cost of going out of state to this expensive school. It's dumb. And I want her to study nursing anyway. I think the future job opportunities will be a lot better. The nursing field will always be in demand. She and her mom have their head in the clouds and are not based in reality. But maybe there are other ideas too other than college. Not everyone even needs to go to college. And to be honest she isn't a great student to begin with. She's sort of average. But she's excited because this supposedly great school pursued her and accepted her.

We already have been struggling since Bush ruined the economy in 2007. Since then it's been a monthly struggle just to say in our home. And now I'm going to be saddled with a lot more debt. We're already in debt and it's in my own personal name. I've lost sleep over this and I can't make any headway in talking to the women. We seem to have a different life. Frustrating. So my help I want from you is just to offer any practical suggestions that I might be able to talk to them about and take up with them. Now the clock is ticking and she plans to make her final decision very soon. I don't have time to wast any longer.

I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!

I was a military brat, middle class. I got accepted to a lot of really great name schools. I had my heart set on on going to Duke or Princeton.

My father and grandmother sat me down, like an adult, and explained what it was going to mean not to only their lives but my own down the road (student loans especially).

Long story short, I did my undergraduate years at Oklahoma and have never regretted it for a moment. I also wasn't saddled with nearly as much debt.

I can't imagine what sort of financial situation I'd be in if had gone to Duke.

Middle class in America today . . .

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:15 pm

Fashion design? Tell princess no.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:30 pm

Dan Vogel wrote:And to be honest she isn't a great student to begin with. She's sort of average.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree much?

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:37 pm

mvscal wrote:Hi Dan,

Why don't you have your daughter give me a call. I have helped many young ladies establish their own businesses as...independent contractors. Even after my agency fees are deducted, I will ensure that she has a steady and reliable revenue stream. Plus the hours will enable her to attend classes during the day.

It's a win-win.

Your pal,

mvscal

Who know mvscal was the guy behind casting couch?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:45 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:I can't imagine what sort of financial situation I'd be in if had gone to Duke.

But just imagine the Friday nights.

:friday:

molly · Post by **molly** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:57 pm

She doesn't want to be a nurse or anything you tell her to be.

Give her a dollar figure and that's the end of the conversation.

The first two years of college are nonessential so yeah JC is the way to go but it's her life and her future. Let her bad decisions start now. If you're not willing to support her financially because you disagree, so be it. She can student loan it. Maybe you can be nice and pay her insurance and living expenses. Find the compromise and don't alienate her or ruin your relationship because she actually has dreams and yours are dead.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:04 pm

Left Seater wrote:But I think you are trolling

You must have a high IQ.

Dan Vogel · Post by **Dan Vogel** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:36 am

molly wrote:She doesn't want to be a nurse or anything you tell her to be.

Give her a dollar figure and that's the end of the conversation.

The first two years of college are nonessential so yeah JC is the way to go but it's her life and her future. Let her bad decisions start now. If you're not willing to support her financially because you disagree, so be it. She can student loan it. Maybe you can be nice and pay her insurance and living expenses. Find the compromise and don't alienate her or ruin your relationship because she actually has dreams and yours are dead.

My dream is to raise my family up right without having crushing debt to worry about every day of my life. The women are oblivious to it. Fashion design is not a dream it is foolish. I don't care if she doesn't want to be a nurse. I don't like my job but I punch the clock every day to put a roof over my familys head and feed them warm meals. She is good with people and could learn to appreciate being a nurse. Sometimes I am so fed up that I want to throw both of these women out of the house to live in the garage. But thanks for your input. Yes I can talk to her about how much I can finance and what her responsiblility will be.

I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:41 am

Would your daughter ever consider wrapping her leg around a pole for a living?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:47 am

Wags, run this pic by your daughter...

I'm sure she'll agree, firefighting is an honourable profession for women these days.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:42 pm

BSmack wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:I can't imagine what sort of financial situation I'd be in if had gone to Duke.
But just imagine the Friday nights.

Please don't remind me . . . My baby sister (the youngest) is a junior there now.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:48 pm

Dan Vogel wrote:
molly wrote:She doesn't want to be a nurse or anything you tell her to be.

Give her a dollar figure and that's the end of the conversation.

The first two years of college are nonessential so yeah JC is the way to go but it's her life and her future. Let her bad decisions start now. If you're not willing to support her financially because you disagree, so be it. She can student loan it. Maybe you can be nice and pay her insurance and living expenses. Find the compromise and don't alienate her or ruin your relationship because she actually has dreams and yours are dead.
My dream is to raise my family up right without having crushing debt to worry about every day of my life. The women are oblivious to it. Fashion design is not a dream it is foolish. I don't care if she doesn't want to be a nurse. I don't like my job but I punch the clock every day to put a roof over my familys head and feed them warm meals. She is good with people and could learn to appreciate being a nurse. Sometimes I am so fed up that I want to throw both of these women out of the house to live in the garage. But thanks for your input. Yes I can talk to her about how much I can finance and what her responsiblility will be.

I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!

I agree with your financial bitching but trying to force her into becoming a nurse is pretty much a dick move.

There's a difference between being financially responsible and a controlling despot.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:06 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:I agree with your financial bitching but trying to force her into becoming a nurse is pretty much a dick move.

There's a difference between being financially responsible and a controlling despot.

My grandmother used to tell me stories about how her father made her go to nursing school. She quit after on semester and never forgave him for taking away her dream of being a math teacher.

Not a good path Vogel.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:02 pm

Dan Vogel wrote:I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!

Here you go Dan, this seems like your style.

mamamustanger · Post by **mamamustanger** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:29 pm

Absolutely nothing wrong with being a nurse..... I supported a whole family at one time that way. I have always been able to get a job the times I tried, even from across the country. There are also a lot of opportunities. I am proud to say that my daughter is a nursing student and my son is inthemedical field as well

mamamustanger · Post by **mamamustanger** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:14 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
mamamustanger wrote: I am proud to say that my daughter is a nursing student
I apologize for posting that pic of your daughter without asking your permission.

I guess it's ok if you posted it if she's giving them out. I have one sitting on my mantle. I am so proud!

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:23 pm

Sudden Sam wrote: I apologize for posting that pic of your daughter without asking your permission.

Are you not a complete fuck-up in any area of your life? When would you ever think it is appropriate to post mama's daughters photo here?

I almost feel sympathy for your sad, pathetic life.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:38 pm

Dan's daughter is going to end up pregnant and home from nursing school by mid way through her sophomore year. That's what happens to little girl's with daddy issues from an overbearing father.

Dan Vogel · Post by **Dan Vogel** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:23 am

mamamustanger wrote:Absolutely nothing wrong with being a nurse..... I supported a whole family at one time that way. I have always been able to get a job the times I tried, even from across the country. There are also a lot of opportunities. I am proud to say that my daughter is a nursing student and my son is inthemedical field as well

Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. I wish you would talk to my daughter. Nursing is a rewarding career and there will always be job opportunities available. Fashion design is flighty and juvinile. It's not a grown up idea. And paying four times the ammount for her first two years is dumb. Just dumb.

Suncoast sooner if you're looking for a fight. Message me. We can discuss that. You don't speak with basic respect. Smart aleck.

Have a good weekend!

mamamustanger · Post by **mamamustanger** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:36 am

Dan Vogel wrote:
mamamustanger wrote:Absolutely nothing wrong with being a nurse..... I supported a whole family at one time that way. I have always been able to get a job the times I tried, even from across the country. There are also a lot of opportunities. I am proud to say that my daughter is a nursing student and my son is inthemedical field as well

Suncoast sooner if you're looking for a fight. Message me. We can discuss that. You don't speak with basic respect. Smart aleck.

Have a good weekend!

If she wanted to talk, I would be glad
to. Anytime

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:56 am

Dan Vogel wrote:
mamamustanger wrote:Absolutely nothing wrong with being a nurse..... I supported a whole family at one time that way. I have always been able to get a job the times I tried, even from across the country. There are also a lot of opportunities. I am proud to say that my daughter is a nursing student and my son is inthemedical field as well
Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. I wish you would talk to my daughter. Nursing is a rewarding career and there will always be job opportunities available. Fashion design is flighty and juvinile. It's not a grown up idea. And paying four times the ammount for her first two years is dumb. Just dumb.

Suncoast sooner if you're looking for a fight. Message me. We can discuss that. You don't speak with basic respect. Smart aleck.

Have a good weekend!

Basic respect . . . You don't even respect your daughter enough to let her pursue a career path she might feel rewarding. Beyond that, you're trying to force her into one she has no design or desire to pursue.

If your intent is to make those around you as miserable as you espouse to be then you're going about it the right way.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:04 am

Not to mention you say she isn't a very good student and not very dedicated but you still want to force her to be a nurse and put other people's lives in her hands possibly? That seems real fucking responsible and intelligent.

I'd rather her fuck up my blinds than my dosage of radiation or morphine.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:06 am

What in the fuck is wrong with you people? Is this real life?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:06 am

Sudden Sam wrote:You can't really be this stupid...can you?

Honestly, even I'm not sure anymore.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:17 am

C'mon guys...he was trolling. Jeeeez.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:17 am

screwey, please tell me you were trolling, bro

mamamustanger · Post by **mamamustanger** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:31 am

Sudden Sam wrote:

The resemblance is uncanny.

Secrets out!

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:05 am

Papa Willie wrote:Thus far, Mgo & myself have made the only proper responses to this shit troll's thread. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And Screwy - what in the Phil Lesh FUCK is up with you yanking at Sam's left nut so much here lately? God DAMN, son. Give it a god DAMNED rest!

Most of us come here to be ashamed of ourselves.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:56 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:C'mon guys...he was trolling. Jeeeez.

I've been out of the game for a while in here, I have no clue who the fuck the trolls are. I'm just trying to polish up on my smack some. Eventually the novelty of my return will wear off . . .

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:20 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote: I have no clue who the fuck the trolls are.

we know

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:37 pm

R-Jack wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote: I have no clue who the fuck the trolls are.
we know

Nice pull.

How in the world did that happen to one of the board's self-proclaimed geniuses?

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:55 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
R-Jack wrote: How in the world did that happen to one of the board's self-proclaimed geniuses?

The ability to retain and apply information and common sense are mutually exclusive skills I guess.

Btw....this is Knute Rockne. Can you hook a brother up?