T1B

No longer feelin alright.

Will get to the grave with a little help from six friends.

Damn, that is sad.

Guess he finally sang out of tune.

R.I.P.

Not the complete clip, just fragments of it:

Oh, this is real. I thought he was much older than 70

I guess the night came for him...

RIP

who are the two soprano faggits singing backup. Those dudes make geddy lee sound like johnny cash.

anyway, i'd like to thank joe for smoking a few million packs of lucky strike to give us that fabulous voice. too bad it caught up to him.

smackaholic wrote:
anyway, i'd like to thank joe for smoking a few million packs of lucky strike to give us that fabulous voice. too bad it caught up to him.

On a sidenote -- if a person smokes 2+ packs a day for 30+ years, their odds of dying of lung cancer... are still well under 1%. But we should never let facts or shit like that fuck with some profitable social engineering.

Your 1% number may be correct. But, the fact is, that shit is not good for you and increases your chance of getting the big C. If I sound like one of the anti-smoking nazis, trust me, I am not. I don't want you smoking in MY house or MY car. I could give two fukks where else you do it and think nany stater anti-smoking nazis should be shot in the head. They are even worse than Illinois Nazis.

Depends on the numbers you use.
Some say 480,000 people die from smoking every year. About 42 million people smoke. That's a 1.1% chance of dying from smoking every year. So if you start at 20years old by 40 you have been smoking for 20 years and you have a about a 35% chance of dying from smoking in the next 30 years by which time you would be 70, if you made it that far.
Use different numbers, get different results.

Moving Sale wrote:Depends on the numbers you use.

And how you use them.

Some say 480,000 people die from smoking every year. About 42 million people smoke. That's a 1.1% chance of dying from smoking every year.

Which isn't the same as the chances of dying from lung cancer. Emphysema and other illnesses are included in that 1.1%.

Use different numbers, get different results.

Irrespective of what the actual percentage is, the chances of getting lung cancer (which isn't the same as dying from it) are 13 to 23 times greater (depending on gender) for smokers than for non-smokers, according to the American Cancer Society; other sources of data may report different results. To me, that's a more meaningful statistic than the 1% or whatever it actually is.

One thing to consider is that one doesn't feel fine one day & then just keel over dead from cancer the next. The quality of life for the last several years probably really suck.

Smackie Chan wrote:
Irrespective of what the actual percentage is, the chances of getting lung cancer (which isn't the same as dying from it) are 13 to 23 times greater (depending on gender) for smokers than for non-smokers, according to the American Cancer Society; other sources of data may report different results. To me, that's a more meaningful statistic than the 1% or whatever it actually is.

13 to 23 times is a big swing and a 20 times greater chance is still zero if you start from zero, which I know we don't in this case. My point was that different numbers get you to different places and dims saying it's all a 'grift' is stupid.

Moving Sale wrote:

Smackie Chan wrote:
Irrespective of what the actual percentage is, the chances of getting lung cancer (which isn't the same as dying from it) are 13 to 23 times greater (depending on gender) for smokers than for non-smokers, according to the American Cancer Society; other sources of data may report different results. To me, that's a more meaningful statistic than the 1% or whatever it actually is.

13 to 23 times is a big swing and a 20 times greater chance is still zero if you start from zero, which I know we don't in this case. My point was that different numbers get you to different places and dims saying it's all a 'grift' is stupid.

That was pretty much my point as well. Look, we'll all die of something, and in many cases lifestyle will have fuckall to do with cause of death. If I can minimize my chances of dying from lung cancer, which I'd consider a well below average way to go, and a means toward that end is to not start smoking or quit if I did, the stats saying my chances of getting lung cancer greatly increase if I smoke might serve as motivation to stay away from tobacco. Of course, that guarantees nothing - I may die of something more hideous that has nothing to do with any choices I make. I've never found a good reason to start smoking (and frankly haven't looked for any), even if there were no health risks. The fact that there are serious health risks just made it easier not to take it up.