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...based on actual percentage of craft beer sales vs macro beer.


PORTLAND, 43.3
SEATTLE, 37.2
SAN FRANCISCO, 34.0
SAN DIEGO, 33.0
SACRAMENTO, 31.5
WASHINGTON D.C., 28.1
CLEVELAND, 27.0
ROCHESTER, 25.4
HARTFORD/ NEW HAVEN, 25.4
GRAND RAPIDS, 25.2

Not listed. Madison.

http://www.washingtonbeerblog.com/top-1 ... n-america/

Sudden Sam wrote:http://www.southernliving.com/travel/so ... craft-beer

Yeah, yeah, we're a little behind, but we do have some good beers.

I agree, I had quite a few outstanding brews down your way a couple weeks ago, Swamp Head Brewery out of Gainesville was excellent as well as Mad Manatee and a bunch of others. I always drink local it's the only way to go. I also had amazing BBQ, The Brick Pit was damn good, amazing ribs, The winner was The Shed Blues and BBQ in Ocean Springs MS with Blacks BBQ in Lockhart Tx a close second. Quite simply BBQ on a whole different level "fanfuckingtastic".

I had the Briskit and sausage at The Shed, it was absolute money. The briskit just melts in your mouth no fork or knives needed...awesome food.

I also learned that a Waffle House comes in handy after many a local brew, my apologies to anyone who walked into the restroom after me at The Speedway gas station in St Augustine on I-95.

Sudden Sam wrote:http://www.southernliving.com/travel/so ... craft-beer

Yeah, yeah, we're a little behind, but we do have some good beers.

Now you just have to get your own people to buy them. :grin:

When I saw the thread title, I was SHOCKED!!!!! to see the yacht race. SHOCKED, I tell you.

It's not the market share -- it's the quality that sets "us" apart. And that's an even bigger yacht race, despite what you'd like to believe. Pretty much invented that shit...

as I sit here slurping shitty swill (got some deece shit in the fridge, actually).

So, is this Shed in Birmingham? I'll be there for a couple of days soon.

So, is this Shed in Birmingham?

It's down on the Gulf by Biloxi. Beautiful down there if you get a chance to vacation a little.

The Shed is cool as hell. Looks like a junkyard driving by and the decor is pretty much contemporary scrapyard, but the food is great and they have good live blues music.

The one near Gulfport burned down a few years back. Unfortunately, I haven't been back since. I suspect that burning down may have actually enhanced its appearance.

Dinsdale wrote: Pretty much invented that shit...

I was actually surprised that more cities from the pacific northwest weren't listed on there......Bend Oregon has some of the best hand crafted suds I've ever had.....Boise has some great handcrafts....Sockeye Salmon is at the top of the list, Payette Brewing is a close second, and Slanted Rock and Table Rock breweries putting out some tasty beers......

lots of people buy the Sockeye products so I'm not sure why Boise didn't make that list.....

Sudden Sam wrote:Yeah, yeah, we're a little behind

This should be the official motto of The South.

Dinsdale wrote:It's not the market share -- it's the quality that sets "us" apart. And that's an even bigger yacht race, despite what you'd like to believe. Pretty much invented that shit...

I wouldn't doubt it, but have you even sampled any of the finer micros outside of the U&L?

This list has fukk all to do with whether or not they have micros, it is all about wealth. The cities listed have lots of rich folk. Rich folk, in general, do not drink rice lite. Boise was not on the list because overall, it is not a wealthy area. And it must be metro areas, not the city themselves. This is the only way to explain Hartford making the list. Last I checked, colt 45 wasn't considered a craft beer.

Yeah, because when I think of wealthiest cities in America, Grand Rapids, Cleveland and Crapchester always come right to mind, especially over places like New York, Los Angeles, and Boston.

smackaholic wrote:Boise was not on the list because overall, it is not a wealthy area.

you seriously think that? Boise is actually a pretty wealthy area, maybe it's just that the wealthy folks don't drink microbrews....

I think I'll go out and celebrate being number 4 this weekend.

Cheers!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Yeah, because when I think of wealthiest cities in America, Grand Rapids, Cleveland and Crapchester always come right to mind, especially over places like New York, Los Angeles, and Boston.

Gets it.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:It's not the market share -- it's the quality that sets "us" apart. And that's an even bigger yacht race, despite what you'd like to believe. Pretty much invented that shit...

I wouldn't doubt it, but have you even sampled any of the finer micros outside of the U&L?

Of course not. That would shatter his little fantasy world.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Yeah, because when I think of wealthiest cities in America, Grand Rapids, Cleveland and Crapchester always come right to mind, especially over places like New York, Los Angeles, and Boston.

Those 3 are the exceptions. All the other listed cities have pretty high avg incomes. Notice there is nobody from the south on the list.

I don't care if Madison is one of the top whatever craft beer cities. Hell, this state was home to Miller, Pabst, Schlitz, Old Style, etc. There's some fairly mediocre craft beer to be had here, as well. But there's one microbrewer here that is every bit as good as any that I've ever sampled, and that's all I need.

I really like Bells, Three Floyds, Surly, Toppling Goliath, and a few others. But the brewery down the street from me makes some truly great beer.

Oh, and if you read the comments, the original Top 10 premise was a bit flawed.

smackaholic wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Yeah, because when I think of wealthiest cities in America, Grand Rapids, Cleveland and Crapchester always come right to mind, especially over places like New York, Los Angeles, and Boston.

Those 3 are the exceptions. All the other listed cities have pretty high avg incomes. Notice there is nobody from the south on the list.

If the only criteria was wealth that list would look substantially different.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

smackaholic wrote:

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Yeah, because when I think of wealthiest cities in America, Grand Rapids, Cleveland and Crapchester always come right to mind, especially over places like New York, Los Angeles, and Boston.

Those 3 are the exceptions. All the other listed cities have pretty high avg incomes. Notice there is nobody from the south on the list.

If the only criteria was wealth that list would look substantially different.

Wealth is a big factor. Having abundant local micros like Portland has, is a factor as well. DC is high on that list because too fukking much of our money goes there to die.

Rochester is not much different than Buffalo economically. Yet Rochester has a thriving craft beer scene and Buffalo has hipsters non-ironically drinking PBR.

Is honey brown considered a craft beer? I used to drink it pretty regularly. Good stuff and from crapchester, i believe.

smackaholic wrote:Is honey brown considered a craft beer? I used to drink it pretty regularly. Good stuff and from crapchester, i believe.

"Craft" does not = "crap." The honey brown was most likely the loose stool you had the next morning after a night of Beast Light.

Since you easily get offended at everything thrown your way, you'll most likely be butt hurt. Maybe a shit poster will help you out in response --> IKYABWAI at a minimum.

You simply do not seem like the type of person that would drink a "craft beer." :grin:

No doubt about Atomic Panties' favorite craft beer....Sam Adams’s Millennium.

Atomic Punk wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Is honey brown considered a craft beer? I used to drink it pretty regularly. Good stuff and from crapchester, i believe.

"Craft" does not = "crap." The honey brown was most likely the loose stool you had the next morning after a night of Beast Light.

Since you easily get offended at everything thrown your way, you'll most likely be butt hurt. Maybe a shit poster will help you out in response --> IKYABWAI at a minimum.

You simply do not seem like the type of person that would drink a "craft beer." :grin:

Wanna link me up with examples of being easily offended? Been awhile since I had any beast light. Drank a few back in the day, but seeing as I don't change career paths as often as you, I eventually got to a point where I can afford to drink pretty good stuff.

Dundee is a product of North American, the same brewery than makes Genesee Cream Ale. The batch sizes are smaller with the Dundee line and they do a fair amount of seasonals. It is hardly a microbrewery, but not Inbev or Coors/Miller either. If pressed to compare I would say Dundee is a step above Yuengling and a notch below Sam Adams.

BSmack wrote:Dundee is a product of North American, the same brewery than makes Genesee Cream Ale. The batch sizes are smaller with the Dundee line and they do a fair amount of seasonals. It is hardly a microbrewery, but not Inbev or Coors/Miller either. If pressed to compare I would say Dundee is a step above Yuengling and a notch below Sam Adams.

That is about where it is on the price scale. Hard to believe the same folks that make that pisswater, genie cream ale, make that stuff. As for Yuengling, I think it's perfectly drinkable, but nothing special in a bottle, but, it has become my go to draft in a bar. Excellent on tap.

BSmack wrote:Dundee is a product of North American, the same brewery than makes Genesee Cream Ale. The batch sizes are smaller with the Dundee line and they do a fair amount of seasonals. It is hardly a microbrewery, but not Inbev or Coors/Miller either. If pressed to compare I would say Dundee is a step above Yuengling and a notch below Sam Adams.

Genny Cream Ale?

I've been referred to as a "self-hating Jew", but I don't hate myself that much.

Genny Cream is some vile disgusting piss water. Anything with a Genesee label is suspect. That's why they got wise and rebranded.

Haven't had that shit in over 30 years. It is one of those things you try once and say, no thanks, I'm good, I don't need to do that to my taste buds ever again. Possibly the worst beer I have ever tried. Maybe even worse than Egyptian Stella.

smackaholic wrote:Haven't had that shit in over 30 years. It is one of those things you try once and say, no thanks, I'm good, I don't need to do that to my taste buds ever again. Possibly the worst beer I have ever tried. Maybe even worse than Egyptian Stella.

Worst beer I've ever had is the Simple Times lager from Trader Joe's. 5.8% ABV.

smackaholic wrote:This list has fukk all to do with whether or not they have micros

smackaholic wrote:Having abundant local micros like Portland has, is a factor as well

Yup. He really is this stupid, folks.

Ditto on the Simple Times swill (although I think it's been brought up before). I remember cracking one open and experiencing the five stages of grief in the first two sips.

New Belgium brewery in Colorado (not sure what town) has some good IPA's. Best known for Fat Tire, Ranger and others. Ranger is my fave.
http://www.newbelgium.com/

Te swill that comes out of New Belgium is fucking AWFUL.

BarFlie wrote:New Belgium brewery in Colorado (not sure what town) has some good IPA's. Best known for Fat Tire, Ranger and others. Ranger is my fave.
http://www.newbelgium.com/

They're out of Fort Collins and they are utterly horrific. I very, very rarely dump a beer into the sink after one swig but Fat Tire is execrable swill. I've had better homebrew. Hell, I've made better homebrew.

Odell Brewing Co. is a far better Fort Collins option. They are outstanding.

Second the shaming of New Belgium. Horrible beer. Barely fit for a barfly.

New Belgium is terrible. I don't think I've had one beer of theirs that is decent. If they sold Fat Tire at the price of High Life, that'd be one thing.

Screw_Michigan wrote:If they sold Fat Tire at the price of High Life, that'd be one thing.

It would be two cheap shitty beers.