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That video you posted in the Music forum pretty much summed him up.

Maybe he'll get a plush coffin.

all i gotta say is.....about time.



meanwhile K. Richards keeps on truckin....

Too bad. Heroin addiction is a bitch.

Weiland developed a reputation over the years for putting on shitty shows. Too fucked up to perform like a professional. That's the worst way to go out.

While STP was a good band, they were always pretty overrated. Good...but not great.

Yeah, he fucked up VR too.

Papa Willie wrote:Not a shocker.

Yeah, it's usually not fatal.

I was a young teen when the grunge scene hit the mainstream, so this is a bit of a sour loss. I heard through the years that Weiland was very difficult to deal with, but dude had a unique voice and STP will always be a in my top five. Save your music snobbery posts for someone else. I'm not reading them.

Go Coogs' wrote:I was a young teen when the grunge scene hit the mainstream, so this is a bit of a sour loss. I heard through the years that Weiland was very difficult to deal with, but dude had a unique voice and STP will always be a in my top five. Save your music snobbery posts for someone else. I'm not reading them.

Top 5, really? Who's your top 5?

Who gives a fuck?

This effects me about the same as when Amy Wino died.

Zero fucks given.

I have no clue who this is that died, nor who STP is. Strange that some of you are happy an apparently poor live performer has died. Why does it elicit such a strong reaction?

Left Seater wrote:I have no clue who this is that died, nor who STP is. Strange that some of you are happy an apparently poor live performer has died. Why does it elicit such a strong reaction?

Dude, you're only a few years older than me, so why are you posting as if you graduated high school with Wolfie?

How old do you think you are?

Left Seater wrote:nor who STP is.

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Top 5, really? Who's your top 5?

Pearl Jam
Pink Floyd
Prince
Alan Jacskon
STP

What's your favorite Pearl Jam album, Rumps?

Please don't say Ten.

Screw_Michigan wrote:What's your favorite Pearl Jam album?

Please don't say Ten.

I liked Pearl Jam's Greatest Hits... oh, that's the one you didn't want mentioned.

They were a much better band before Eddie Vedder came along and pulled his grift on a dead man's "estate."

Mother Love Bone was a good band, but it didn't take off until Vedder joined.

Go Coogs' wrote:

Left Seater wrote:I have no clue who this is that died, nor who STP is. Strange that some of you are happy an apparently poor live performer has died. Why does it elicit such a strong reaction?

Dude, you're only a few years older than me, so why are you posting as if you graduated high school with Wolfie?

How old do you think you are?

They didn't play STP on KIKK or KILT.

I grew up with 80s music and early 90s music. Still love all the one hit wonders of the 80s. If it isn't 80s or Texas country I won't hear it now and likely wouldn't have heard it back in HS. There was this embarrassing period where the suburban kids were into Beastie Boys, NWA, MC Hammer, Run DMC, etc. Out of all of that the only stuff I might listen to today is the Run DMC stuff and that is only because Darryl McDaniel was my neighbor in a Philly suburb for a few months.

Dinsdale wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:What's your favorite Pearl Jam album?

Please don't say Ten.

I liked Pearl Jam's Greatest Hits... oh, that's the one you didn't want mentioned.

They were a much better band before Eddie Vedder came along and pulled his grift on a dead man's "estate."

Um....no. He wrote most of Ten's lyrics.

Go Coogs' wrote:Um....no. He wrote most of Ten's lyrics.

He wrote all the lyrics for Ten.

Screw_Michigan wrote:What's your favorite Pearl Jam album, Rumps?

I guess I never really had a favorite album. I suppose I'm more partial to Yield and Vs. Than I am Ten.

Dissident and Low Light are probably my two favorite songs.

Go Coogs' wrote:

Um....no. He wrote most of Ten's lyrics.

You do know that Vedder more or less just stepped in and took over as the singer/lyricist for Mother Love Bone after Andrew Wood died, right?

Dinsdale wrote:

Go Coogs' wrote:

Um....no. He wrote most of Ten's lyrics.

You do know that Vedder more or less just stepped in and took over as the singer/lyricist for Mother Love Bone after Andrew Wood died, right?

That would be true if Matt Cameron had transitioned over to Ten-era Pearl Jam.

Go Coogs' wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:What's your favorite Pearl Jam album, Rumps?

I guess I never really had a favorite album. I suppose I'm more partial to Yield and Vs. Than I am Ten.

Dissident and Low Light are probably my two favorite songs.

Whew!

Rack you, Rumps! Both are great albums. I'd say Vs is probably their best. I'm most partial to Riot Act, though, as it was when I really discovered the band.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Go Coogs' wrote:

Um....no. He wrote most of Ten's lyrics.

You do know that Vedder more or less just stepped in and took over as the singer/lyricist for Mother Love Bone after Andrew Wood died, right?

That would be true if Matt Cameron had transitioned over to Ten-era Pearl Jam.

Not sure I follow. Pretty sure Cameron was with Soundgarden through that era... but my memory of that, like many other memories of growing up in the U&L during that time, is a little fuzzy.

Gossard and Ament were the guys that, along with Wood, gave MLB their distinct sound. That sound carried directly over to PJ.

But they all were kind of rip-offs of Green River.

Dinsdale wrote: You do know that Vedder more or less just stepped in and took over as the singer/lyricist for Mother Love Bone after Andrew Wood died, right?

Yes.

Are you suggesting PJ is just another middling northwest grunge band scrapping every penny if he doesn't die?

Was Andrew Wood a better writer and singer than EV?

Dinsdale wrote:
Not sure I follow. Pretty sure Cameron was with Soundgarden through that era... but my memory of that, like many other memories of growing up in the U&L during that time, is a little fuzzy.

Gossard and Ament were the guys that, along with Wood, gave MLB their distinct sound. That sound carried directly over to PJ.

But they all were kind of rip-offs of Green River.

Sorry, I thought Cameron was in MLB. My bad.

Go Coogs' wrote:
Yes.

Are you suggesting PJ is just another middling northwest grunge band scrapping every penny if he doesn't die?

I'm suggesting that if Wood doesn't die, there is no Pearl Jam... not a difficult concept.

Go Coogs' wrote:Was Andrew Wood a better writer and singer than EV?

Obviously quite subjective.

But this U&L grunge scene guy wholeheartedly believes so.

Rack this thread going sideways -- inspired me to be cranking up The Melvins right now.

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Sorry, I thought Cameron was in MLB. My bad.

The way the late 80's/early 90's Seattle scene went, it's easy to get confused, what with all the "inbreeding" of the bands at the time. Throw in Temple of the Dog, and no one remembers exactly who was in what band.

Dinsdale wrote: I'm suggesting that if Wood doesn't die, there is no Pearl Jam... not a difficult concept.

I understand that. Let's say he lives but his addiction is bringing down the band and they decide to go in a different direction. They boot Wood, bring in EV and The Mookie Blaylock band forms.

Wood is still living and TMBB becomes Pearl Jam. What then?

Papa Willie wrote:I'm still most partial to AiC. And yes - they're just as good (probably better) with the new singer. (I'm fixing to get screamed at.)

Layne was my man.

Although according to AiC, and many others, they weren't "grunge."

As far as the Seattle area guitar players of the era, Jerry was head and shoulders above the rest.

Go Coogs' wrote:
I understand that. Let's say he lives but his addiction is bringing down the band and they decide to go in a different direction. They boot Wood, bring in EV and The Mookie Blaylock band forms.

Wood is still living and TMBB becomes Pearl Jam. What then?

And if your aunt had testes... what then?

Are you suggesting EV didn't have some substance abuse problems of his own, along with every other member of PJ?

Dinsdale wrote: And if your aunt had testes... what then?

Are you suggesting EV didn't have some substance abuse problems of his own, along with every other member of PJ?

Ed could be called an alcoholic. Not sure if he drinks as much as he used to.

McCready was addicted to heroin. I don't think Jeff and Stone were on anything. Same for the drummers.

I fucked a girl with Interstate Love Song playing on the stereo one time


That's all I have to contribute to this thread.

Screw_Michigan wrote:I don't think Jeff and Stone were on anything. Same for the drummers.

I have an old friend who had a moderately successful thrash band which originally formed in Seattle at that time(moved back to Portland eventually), and kind of ran in those circles. I'm pretty sure he'd beg to differ.

I thought that LS was about my vintage, but, I guess you are a few years younger. Might as well be 100 years.

I am a '63 model, which means I am barely old enough to have experienced the last few years of the classic rock era, first hand. Not sure if 80s hair metal is considered classic rock. I definitely do not consider 90s grunge CR, but, it sure as hell is a step up from 80s big hair metal.

Rack Andy Granitelli and his STP suit BTW. That thing is awesome. I wonder if it is still around? I'll bet there are old school Indy car fans who would pay a few bucks for it. Personally, when I think of STP, I think of King Richard and his superbird. The highwater mark of neckcar, as far as I am concerned. Yeah, today it has far better commercial success, but, what they run today is an awful long way from anything resembling a stock car.

Re: Weiland --

Can the dogs smell him yet?

Just went and looked for a Superbird pic and guess what? No STP. :? He picked up STP as a sponsor in 72. I thought he was with them way back in the 60s, but I guess not.

Papa Willie wrote:
Layne did some great stuff, but AiC is Jerry. Great guitar player, but his songwriting and vocal harmony arrangements are just fucking fabulous.

He did kind of have to keep Layne on-task.

How fucking gone do you have to be to need a lyrics sheet for your own fucking song?