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I know what state wasn't in that group.

Mine.

Only Hawaii and Cali beat us out at the other end.

Add the better weather most of the year and you can see why Florida is popular with retirees. You don't want to know my water bill though.

Papa Willie wrote:Not so sure about where they get their property tax info for Florida. I know my uncle is paying more than $12k per year in Destin.

Your uncle must have a million dollar mansion. Property taxes in Okaloosa County run around 1.3% of the property's value.

http://www.okaloosapa.com/search.html

Suncoast Sooner would be the authority on this, but you being misinformed is a pretty safe bet.

Papa Willie wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Not so sure about where they get their property tax info for Florida. I know my uncle is paying more than $12k per year in Destin.

Your uncle must have a million dollar mansion. Property taxes in Okaloosa County run around 1.3% of the property's value.

http://www.okaloosapa.com/search.html

Suncoast Sooner would be the authority on this, but you being misinformed is a pretty safe bet.

A few years ago, it would have gone for over that. Now it wouldn't, but they're still getting taxed for it as if it was...

But still...

Florida has no income tax, and its property taxes are below the midpoint for the U.S. The property tax on Florida's median home value of $162,700 is $1,631.

So their info is pretty accurate. A $160,000 house in Madison would cost you over $3,000 in property taxes.

Here in Lee County. "Market value" of my place is $200K and my property taxes are just under $2K per year. That pays for schools, trash removal,, mosquito control, and other county wide operations. Not bad at all. Of course I thank the tourists who pay the "bed taxes" at local motels and resorts.

Having lived in multiple states and owned a home in said different states I far prefer living in a place without income tax.

It is no surprise that some large inner cities are dying. When we lived outside of Philadelphia my "office" was technically in the city of Philadelphia. The city took somewhere around 3.5% of my earnings. Then my little suburb took their cut which was close to 1.2%. Then the State took 3% or close to that. So before paying the Feds a dime I was already out close to 8%.

Nope, give me the higher property tax, which as KC pointed out goes to support local schools. Despite not having kids we have chosen to live in an area where the schools are top notch and we pay for that. However, these top notch schools have fed steady growth on the value of our home so no problem there. We could lower our property taxes by moving to a crappy school district, but then the property also reflects that.

Wolfman wrote:Here in Lee County. "Market value" of my place is $200K and my property taxes are just under $2K per year. That pays for schools, trash removal,, mosquito control, and other county wide operations. Not bad at all. Of course I thank the tourists who pay the "bed taxes" at local motels and resorts.

That, and a likely sizable majority in your town hasn't had kids in the school system since the Carter Administration.

Left Seater wrote:It is no surprise that some large inner cities are dying.

1. Segregation
2. Redlining
3. Sprawl-friendly development
4. Interstate Highway System
5. Blue collar jobs moving outside cities

What do I win?

Most Tax friendly states

What do these all have in common? NO JOBS.

FYI: Since I moved down here, Lee county built 4 new high schools, a fifth is underway to my south. This does not include the handful of charter schools that started up since 2001. Hertz moved its corporate HQ from New Jersey to Estero in south Lee County last year bringing 700 jobs with it. We are not like Lady Lakes and stereotypical retirement communities. My own neighborhood, Whiskey Creek, is not a gated community and is a mix of retirees and families with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Creek,_Florida

x 1,000,000,000

Yeah SF, Portland and Seattle all suck. Stupid blue state fucks.

Moving Sale wrote:Yeah SF, Portland and Seattle all suck. Stupid blue state fucks.

I can only speak to Portland.

Joblessness is a disease here (and the unemployment numbers don't include "ran out of bennies"). It's known as the "barista economy." The city government (which is unique, in that the governor is pretty much a figurehead) has surpassed Chicago in corruption (when the idiot liberal transplants vote D down the ballot), and won't fix a pothole, but give multi-millions to private developers to build inane shit). We have the worst per-capita homeless problem in the country (which city leaders want to raise everyone's taxes to "fix"). Worst per-capita drug problem in the country. One of the worst property crime rates in the country (although one of the lowest violent crime rates among major cities). Severe traffic infrastructure problems (one of the worst, if not now the worst in commute times as to off-peak vs rush hour commute times), but always multi-millions to build a new bike lane (actually, they just opened the first new bridge across the lower Willamette in 40+ years last year -- no cars. But they want to build a fancy new one over I405... you guessed it -- bikes only). Portland just threw their hands up on mental health issues, although it's become a magnet for sufferers (what with the legal "camping" on city streets/parks/everywhere). One of the highest per-student expenditures, with the lowest graduation rate of any major city. Really, really stupid land use rules (since we not only have city and county government, but a tri-county government, as well), and exorbitant permit fees, and now, a proposed "demolition fee," which have contributed to several years straight of the highest increase in housing prices in the country. They build commuter trains that no one rides, but developers make a mint on.


Fuck, I could go on and on. Yet disenchanted libtards still move here by the thousands, and will continue to vote D across the board, and it will just keep getting worse and worse. Hell, 4 years ago, the idiots elected a known pedophile faggot as mayor... because he had a D next to his name. This state/city/metro area has been on a downslide since the Great U&L Migration, and things went from Red to Blue.

Still an awesome place to live, though. Hope it lasts.

It was an awesome place to visit too. What is with the no traffic downtown at 5 pm and yet there are people everywhere? Clean streets, great shops and restaurants. We stayed at The Nines by the old court house. It was awesome. Did the Japanese&Rose gatdens and hit the zoo also. Kids loved children's museum too. I was very impressed.

Huh? Must have been a weekend. 5PM on a weekday is absolute gridlock. But on weekends, there's a weird lull around 5 (day trippers go home, partiers are still getting ready -- people eat late here).

The Nines is pretty sweet. Everyone loves it.

And even the transplants can't fuck up the awesomeness that is Washington Park. Hopefully, you checked out the Rose Gardens, and did the whole park. Often a play or something going on at the Amphitheater.

Glad you and yours had a good time. Besides the homeless beggars hassling you, we treat our guests pretty fucking well here.

It was a Friday so not sure if that had anything to do with it. We basically spent the whole time downtown or in the park. Nice people, great food, lots to do and even great weather. Zero complaints.

Tennessee. No state tax, extremely cheap utilities, low property taxes. The downside is a pretty high sales tax.

Lowering taxes will do wonders for your state economy!

Sincerely,
Sam Brownback

PS....no it won't.

Not having a state income tax works quite well.

Left Seater wrote:Not having a state income tax works quite well.

I'm sure it does....for you.

Kind of surprised NH didn't get onto the list. No income tax or sales tax, low booze tax. The only thing is, if you live in lower NH, aka Boston, you can have some pretty scary poperty tax levels. Further upstate, so long as you aren't on a lake somewhere, prop. taxes are reasonable.

You also have shitty cold winters and welcome signs in French.

BSmack wrote:You also have shitty cold winters and welcome signs in French.

Yeah, it's sort of like "upstate" without the taxes and depressed economy.

The OL and I have considered moving there, if we do relocate in the U&R. Once you get out of Chowd commute range, you can find affordable property. The part that gets a little tricky is finding well paying yobs. I think it would be a great place to retire to. What I would like to do is find a place up in the sticks somewhere and have a decent sized RV so we could escape the miserable white shit when we tire of it.

smackaholic wrote: Yeah, it's sort of like "upstate" without the taxes and depressed economy.

LOL, NH doesn't have a depressed economy because it doesn't have an economy, idiot.

Papa Willie wrote:http://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/the-1 ... ?a=viewall

8 of 10 are blue. Shocker.

Good chance that 8 of 10 also have good schools and solid infrastructure. Though Snotty Wanker is doing his damndest to make that 7 of 10.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

smackaholic wrote: Yeah, it's sort of like "upstate" without the taxes and depressed economy.

LOL, NH doesn't have a depressed economy because it doesn't have an economy, idiot.

You ever been there, dumbfukk?

The full lower third of the state is quite well developed even in the smaller towns. Everything north of that is pretty much forest and mountains. It has a fairly decent tourist economy. Compare this to their liberal cousins on the other side of the Ct River in VT. The largest part of VT looks like appalachia. Burlington area is well developed enough, and there are a handful of artsy fartsy tourist towns that do OK, like woodstock, but otherwise, it is a colder version of west virginia. I have traveled pretty extensively across both states and the contrast is notable. It is a text book example of two very similar places with very different governments and the lower taxed one is much better off.

smackaholic wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

smackaholic wrote: Yeah, it's sort of like "upstate" without the taxes and depressed economy.

LOL, NH doesn't have a depressed economy because it doesn't have an economy, idiot.

You ever been there, dumbfukk?

The full lower third of the state is quite well developed even in the smaller towns. Everything north of that is pretty much forest and mountains. It has a fairly decent tourist economy. Compare this to their liberal cousins on the other side of the Ct River in VT. The largest part of VT looks like appalachia. Burlington area is well developed enough, and there are a handful of artsy fartsy tourist towns that do OK, like woodstock, but otherwise, it is a colder version of west virginia. I have traveled pretty extensively across both states and the contrast is notable. It is a text book example of two very similar places with very different governments and the lower taxed one is much better off.

Vermont could be more developed if they wanted to be. They choose not to be because they want to maintain their rural character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_250_(Vermont_law)

smackaholic wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:

smackaholic wrote: Yeah, it's sort of like "upstate" without the taxes and depressed economy.

LOL, NH doesn't have a depressed economy because it doesn't have an economy, idiot.

You ever been there, dumbfukk?

I think it was his next stop...



...right after Moscow...

Remember Shlomey, Screwey is ALLEGEDLY stalking my "neighborhood" this week.

BSmack wrote: Vermont could be more developed if they wanted to be. They choose not to be because they want to maintain their rural character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_250_(Vermont_law)

You been to VT lately? And I don't mean Burlington or one of the handful of artsy fartsy tourist towns that rich NYers flock to on weekends. I mean the other 90% of the state. You have grinding poverty, no industry, no jobs and a population of PWT mostly on welfare.

But, I guess that is the cost of maintaining their rural charm.

If you think I am exaggerating, I will happily do a PET on my next trip to Rutland, aka Rut Vegas.

A few years back, the commies running the state decided they were gonna do something about our evil healthcare system and announced that they would go to a statewide single payer healthcare system. BTW, I think this is the way to do it, if you must. They tried and tried and tried. Last year they announced that there was no way in hell it could be done. Geee, I wonder why? Could it be that outside of the Burlington area, the state has practically no economy, outside of tourism which is seasonal and a handful of dairy farms struggling to survive?

Carson wrote:Remember Shlomey, Screwey is ALLEGEDLY stalking my "neighborhood" this week.

Who said anything about "stalking?" Great to see I'm living in your dome...rent free.