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Mikey wrote: Countries Trump is doing business in somehow were left off as well.

Mikey wrote:Pretty strange that they cite 9/11 as a reason for the ban yet none of the 9/11 perps countries of origin are on the list. Countries Trump is doing business in somehow were left off as well.

...the media should also be truthful with the public and instead of claiming Trump singled out seven countries, it should note that the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries. It should have told us about theTerrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 rather than pretend this list was invented in 2017. Trump’s executive order said “countries of concern,” it didn’t make a list. That list was already made, last year and years before.

KC Scott wrote:Good News Phibes - Trudeau has welcomed all those poor refugees to Canada : https://www.yahoo.com/news/canadas-trud ... 41176.html

Enjoy !

:grin:

Truman wrote:

Mikey wrote:Pretty strange that they cite 9/11 as a reason for the ban yet none of the 9/11 perps countries of origin are on the list. Countries Trump is doing business in somehow were left off as well.

Dumbass.

...the media should also be truthful with the public and instead of claiming Trump singled out seven countries, it should note that the US Congress and Obama’s Department of Homeland Security had singled out these countries. It should have told us about theTerrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 rather than pretend this list was invented in 2017. Trump’s executive order said “countries of concern,” it didn’t make a list. That list was already made, last year and years before.

http://www.sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28 ... -tell-you/

Mikey wrote: Check.

It excluded Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon.
Check.
(BTW it also excludes countries of origin of the Boston Marathon Bombers and the San Bernardino attackers).

It excludes Indonesia and other countries that are sources of Radical Islam where he just happens to be doing business.
Check.

Dinsdale wrote:
Indeed. Because the EO only calls for enforcement of laws already on the books... dumbass. It wasn't Trump's list -- it was Congress and Obama's list.

88 wrote:

Mikey wrote:Saudi Arabia should be the top of any of these "lists" BTW.

So you think Trump didn't go far enough? What is your take?

88 wrote:

Mikey wrote:No I think what he's doing here is illegal and unconstitutional. But SA should have been on the list made for the original law.

What is in the Constitution that requires the United States to admit potential immigrants from anywhere? The Constitution does state that:

"The Congress shall have Power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization ..."

Congress has passed some laws that give the DHS the power to suspend immigrants who have been in places that might present danger to citizens of the United States. Trump is trying to enforce this regulation (and others). It might be illegal. We'll find out soon enough from the courts. But what provision of the Constitution does it violate?

Papa Willie wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/world ... ghdad.html

Where was the outcry then?

88 wrote:
Trump is not trying to ban all Muslims, which is the bullshit strawman position your article argues against. Trump is attempting to prevent people who intend to commit acts of terror on our soil from immigrating here. Whether and how he can effectively do that is subject to debate. But the debate is not one that involves the Constitution.

BSmack wrote: Those poor people. They will be forced to drink milk from bags.

88 wrote:

I do not know how anyone could possibly suggest that Bannon's politics coincide with Lenin's, other than both wanted to end a permanent Establishment political culture.

Where is the white supremacist evidence?

88 wrote:If Trump proposes an unqualified person to serve in any capacity, I will be opposed to it.

Mikey wrote:...Bannon's insanity...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:

Mikey wrote:...Bannon's insanity...

Oh...sorry...you said Bannon...ooops... :?

KC Scott wrote:Good News Phibes - Trudeau has welcomed all those poor refugees to Canada : https://www.yahoo.com/news/canadas-trud ... 41176.html

Enjoy !

Mikey wrote:
The EO invoked 9/11.
Check.

It excluded Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, the countries of origin of the 9/11 attackers.

Mikey wrote: The EO invoked 9/11.
Check.

It excluded Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, the countries of origin of the 9/11 attackers.

Dinsdale wrote:You know what other countries it excluded? Every country on earth not named Syria.

Dinsdale wrote:As far as the countries you list... are you capable of any reasoning?

Here's a hint, dumbass -- The USA has, or uses military bases in all of them.

Mikey wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:You know what other countries it excluded? Every country on earth not named Syria.

WTF are you talking about? It included (didn't exclude) Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia. Pretty sure they're not named Syria.

Here's a hint, dubmass -- The USA doesn't have any military bases in Lebanon.

Dinsdale wrote:
The USA has, or USES military bases in all of them.

"America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion — this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering."

Dinsdale wrote:He apparently didn't proofread it.

There's only one country named in the EO, with a reference to Obama's list.

Diego in Seattle wrote:Could Trump have left SA off the list because he has business dealing in that country?

Dinsdale wrote:

Trump is enforcing a law enacted by the 114th Congress, and signed into law by President Obama. The list was made by Obama's Homeland Security Director. All the EO does is enforce an existing law.

Mikey wrote:
You keep saying that. It sounds like a pretty good argument. I wonder why nobody else - not Trump

Donald Fucking Trump wrote: to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order

Dinsdale wrote:

Mikey wrote:
You keep saying that. It sounds like a pretty good argument. I wonder why nobody else - not Trump

Donald Fucking Trump wrote: to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order

But go ahead and keep cracking on other people's grasp of the English Language... it's fucking hilarious. I'd set about kicking your ass in this thread, but you're doing a wonderful job of it all by yourself.

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

88 wrote: What makes Bannon unqualified to serve as a member of the NSC? If he is capable of holding a top secret security clearance, he would appear to be qualified. It isn't like he doesn't have the President's ear already.