A place I would not want to be caught

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:06 am

...when they turn the water back on.

A big fucking hole

in the Oroville dam spillway.

zoom out...

turn on the water...

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Orov ... item-44548

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:10 am

In a related story...

Trump White House besieged by leaks

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:21 pm

Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...

Are really this dumb?

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:30 pm

Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...

You do understand that reservoirs do nothing for the drought when rain isn't coming down, don't you?

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:48 pm

I can't wait for the SCP story built around that first photo. Those niqqas love divide by zero scenarios.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:49 pm

But if we just bought a few thousand of these and put them in strategic places around the state, we'd be able to ride out even the worst droughts.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:56 pm

Rooster, don't let them get to you. California steals water from the rest of the nation. All that X largest economy talk is as hogwash as Texas'. What happens when the aid is cut off? Live on the ocean and have to have useable water piped in from the interior instead of desalinating your own, folks.

They've been doing the spiritual equivalent of relying on strategic pools in other peoples' backyards for decades now. So fuck that sanctuary state.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:28 pm

Innocent Bystander wrote:California steals water from the rest of the nation.

Do you understand the concept of "gravity" (I'm not talking about the opposite of comedy, BTW)? Maybe you should get with poptart on this.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:48 pm

Innocent Bystander wrote:Rooster, don't let them get to you. California steals water from the rest of the nation. All that X largest economy talk is as hogwash as Texas'. What happens when the aid is cut off? Live on the ocean and have to have useable water piped in from the interior instead of desalinating your own, folks.

They've been doing the spiritual equivalent of relying on strategic pools in other peoples' backyards for decades now. So fuck that sanctuary state.

You do like having affordable fresh produce all year around, don't you?

Dumbass.

Yes, Cali steals lots of water, but they use it to feed the nation and a fair bit of the rest of the planet.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:51 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:
Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...
You do understand that reservoirs do nothing for the drought when rain isn't coming down, don't you?

The whole fukking idea of a reservoir is to catch water when it falls. The larger/more numerous you make them, the less they have to steal water from you U&Lers when it doesn't fall. This really is a fairly simple concept.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:02 pm

Smackaholic, food prices are artificially raised and lowered so that capitalists can make a profit, not to make sure food is affordable/available. How much food is destroyed for the sake of capitalism in this country?

How much cheaper would all that produce be if it were all allowed on the market? Or given away?

Your argument is no go, bruh.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:13 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:
Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...
You do understand that reservoirs do nothing for the drought when rain isn't coming down, don't you?

Sooooo... now that the rain is here and there are no additional reservoirs built to capture all this tasty water, California should just shrug their shoulders and tell themselves, "Well, maybe next time,"? If we take your logic to its' natural conclusion, reservoirs do nothing for the state's citizens. Therefore, they should dismantle them and use those great big bowls to make the world's largest skate parks, yes?

If collecting water is a fool's errand, then why have any reservoirs at all?

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:16 pm

Mikey wrote:But if we just bought a few thousand of these and put them in strategic places around the state, we'd be able to ride out even the worst droughts.

On a grander scale? Yes.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:18 pm

smackaholic wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote:
Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...
You do understand that reservoirs do nothing for the drought when rain isn't coming down, don't you?
The whole fukking idea of a reservoir is to catch water when it fall. The larger/more numerous you make them, the less they have to steal water from you U&Lers when it doesn't fall. This really is a fairly simple concept.

1. Actually the whole fukking idea of a reservoir is to catch water ~~when it falls~~ when it flows down a river AND for flood control downstream. Why do you think they're releasing water from these lakes when they're not even full?
They're also storing snow-melt in the spring and summer.

2. You can't just drop a reservoir anywhere you want, or make them as big as you want. You have to have a river and a place to put a dam. Yosemite Valley is probably the best remaining place left. How do you think that would go over?

3. California doesn't get any significant amount of water from the U&L. Virtually all water that originates out of state comes from the Chilly Colorado. Consult a map.

4. The biggest reservoir in California is the snow-pack in the Sierra Nevada. The water stored there in a normal year is probably more than the capacity of all the man-made reservoirs in the state combined. Even if you could build a couple hundred new reservoirs, you wouldn't store enough water there to supply the entire state for the entire year. The reservoirs serve as "capacitance," which is temporary storage to even out the fluctuations in the flow of water coming off the mountains.

fairly simple concept.

More like fairly simple mind.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:18 pm

Rooster wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote:
Rooster wrote:Huh. If only Cal had the foresight to make about 1000 more reservoirs about ten years ago. All that water going to waste...
You do understand that reservoirs do nothing for the drought when rain isn't coming down, don't you?
Sooooo... now that the rain is here and there are no additional reservoirs built to capture all this tasty water, California should just shrug their shoulders and tell themselves, "Well, maybe next time,"? If we take your logic to its' natural conclusion, reservoirs do nothing for the state's citizens. Therefore, they should dismantle them and use those great big bowls to make the world's largest skate parks, yes?

If collecting water is a fool's errand, then why have any reservoirs at all?

You obviously don't understand what a reservoir does. Not too surprising.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:40 pm

Umm, it holds water? What do I win?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:42 pm

Rooster wrote:Umm, it holds water? What do I win?

Wear it proudly.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:22 pm

Woot!

Cool! It's like my very own KKK starter kit!

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:55 pm

Mikey wrote:
3. California doesn't get any significant amount of water from the U&L. Virtually all water that originates out of state comes from the Chilly Colorado. Consult a map.

The only one Cali is "stealing" water from is Mexico. California does get a good chunk of water from the Upper Klamath Basin (which we in the U&L would just as soon not call "U&L" -- banjo-pluckin' motherfucks). But Agency Lake and Upper Klamath Lake (impoundments) keep the Klamath flowing in late summer, and the water gets pumped over the mountains into the Sacramento River (and environmental abomination), to keep the Sac flowing, which if you've ever driven up the northern end of the valley, just about dries up.

Unfortunately for Cali, there's much talk of whacking the Klamath dams, since we'd kind of like our salmon back, you environment-hating fucks. If that happens, California is going to have to build more storage in the Upper Sacramento Valley. Getting water through there in summer is pretty important to the whole country. Pumping it from the Klamath is a lame way to do it.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:25 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Mikey wrote:
3. California doesn't get any significant amount of water from the U&L. Virtually all water that originates out of state comes from the Chilly Colorado. Consult a map.

The only one Cali is "stealing" water from is Mexico. California does get a good chunk of water from the Upper Klamath Basin (which we in the U&L would just as soon not call "U&L" -- banjo-pluckin' motherfucks). But Agency Lake and Upper Klamath Lake (impoundments) keep the Klamath flowing in late summer, and the water gets pumped over the mountains into the Sacramento River (and environmental abomination), to keep the Sac flowing, which if you've ever driven up the northern end of the valley, just about dries up.

Unfortunately for Cali, there's much talk of whacking the Klamath dams, since we'd kind of like our salmon back, you environment-hating fucks. If that happens, California is going to have to build more storage in the Upper Sacramento Valley. Getting water through there in summer is pretty important to the whole country. Pumping it from the Klamath is a lame way to do it.

The Lower Klamath Basin isn't in California. It's in Jefferson.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:04 am

Yes, mikey, part of the job of reservoirs is flood control. This does not mean it isn't also a fairly decent way to stockpile water during a particularly wet winter.

As for that spillway, I suspect they are going to end up ripping the whole fukking thing out and re-pour it. I suspect there is a lot more undermining than what we see. And next time, maybe seed the edges with someonething. Yeah, it will cost a bt of water to keep it irrigated during the dry stretches, but beats having to rebuild the spillway after every flood.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:47 am

Looks like it is about to blow.

"6:15 p.m.

Caltrans tweeted that the evacuation for Yuba, Sutter and Butte counties includes Hallwood, Marysville, Olivehurst/Linda, Plumas Lake, Gridley, Live Oak and Yuba City due to potential failure of Oroville Dam spillway."

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:15 am

Where is Gov. Moonbeam?

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:19 am

This is great opportunity to put all those illegal aliens to work! Think about it-- they've got experience swimming, climbing vertical surfaces, and working in dirt, so building a dam would be a natural pairing of worker talents to job requirements. It's a win-win for everyone. Cal gets something for all those tax dollars being spent on Mexicans and those Mexicans can put those hard earned skills to use helping out their new homeland!

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:20 am

He asked the Orange pedobear to declare a state of emergency last Friday. Ball is in your court you fat stupid drunken tard.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:50 am

Why would the President (or any Feds) declare a state of emergency for damage to a non-federal dam?

Sounds like Cali is just trying to ladle some gravy (as usual).

Here in the U&L, we fix damage to dams all the time -- on our power company's and our ratepayers dime... unless it's a federal dam... see how that works?

Then again, we inspect them regularly, so they don't fal apart (very often). Maybe if California didn't blow all its money on illegals and whatnot, they'd have money to keep these things from happening.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:56 am

How else are we supposed to get all that extra money we send to DC and never get back?

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:57 am

Why would Trump want to fix broken down California and it's libtard base?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:39 am

^^^^That is the kind of stupid that can't be fixed. Go stick a cucumber in your ass you spectacularly stupid shitgibbon.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:52 pm

Moving Sale wrote:How else are we supposed to get all that extra money we send to DC and never get back?

Sounds like an opportune time to have a frank conversation about sanctuary cities.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:46 pm

Moving Sale wrote:He asked the Orange pedobear to declare a state of emergency last Friday. Ball is in your court you fat stupid drunken tard.

Aaaaaaaand, it turns out they've known about the failing spillway for TWELVE FREAKING YEARS.

Sounds reasonable -- spend all the money on illegals, and all order of stupidity, and wait for it to fail, then beg all the other states to pay for the damage.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:50 pm

But nobody thought it would ever rain again.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:13 pm

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:07 am

Can't have a flood music video reset without this.....

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:52 am

mvscal wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:How else are we supposed to get all that extra money we send to DC and never get back?
Sounds like an opportune time to have a frank conversation about sanctuary cities.

Take it up with Madison you yellow racist fuck.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:55 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:He asked the Orange pedobear to declare a state of emergency last Friday. Ball is in your court you fat stupid drunken tard.

Aaaaaaaand, it turns out they've known about the failing spillway for TWELVE FREAKING YEARS.

Sounds reasonable -- spend all the money on illegals, and all order of stupidity, and wait for it to fail, then beg all the other states to pay for the damage.

So you think environmental groups should be listened to eh?
Go stick a hockey stick graph up your ass you insufferable twat.

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:07 am

DWR and the people of Orroville are fucked. Dropping bags of rocks into the emergency spillway is not going to stop the erosion if they try to use it again.

They don't plan to use the emergency spillway because they have been running at 100,000 cfs flow out the primary concrete lined spillway.

They are fucked, Another storm front expecting to drop 8" in the area from Wednesday through Sunday with the leading storm to be relatively warm that will add to snow melt below ~7000'. Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, that spilway is only going to erode further which basically is/was a big portion of the right abutment of the dam. They are going to sacrifice the powerhouse but there is only so much water they will be able to download through the two 8-10' diameter tunnels. The last thing they want to do is overtop the primary pile of dirt.

They are probably hoping the shear planes in the underlying rock (towards the right of the 3rd pic) do not extend much further.

*Not going to be an M2ool, these picture were linked from the SF Chronicle and SJ Mercury News web sites.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:51 pm

The Feds have to help on this. Far too many people in danger to leave this in governor moonbean's hands. He has clearly shown that he gives zero fucks about the dam. It wasn't even on his list of potential infrastructure projects, yet high speed rail and sanctuary cities are. Step in to help now.

Regardless of what happens with this next round of storms, the lake level is going to have to be dropped drastically this summer to allow repairs. Not sure what that means for CA residents and their water availability if this a is really dry summer/fall. Bottom line the state water director or whatever his title might be should be fired last night.

Unfortunately this isn't going to be a one off problem either. Environmental groups have made it nearly impossible to get any new dams permitted and built in the US. With our existing dams aging and in need of repair we are going to need to replace some of them rather soon. But as long as the environmental groups can file lawsuit after lawsuit with the intention of delaying we will hear more stories like this.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:16 pm

The locals ask for help in 2005 and the gropenator and the Chimp both turned them down. Would you care to try again?