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Actually, though, I guess nothing has stuck yet.

They have agreed to throw some more shit, though.

Papa Willie wrote:Pretty much the same as Obamacare, isn't it?

Not really. You must not have been following along at the time.

Until we get back to a system where people can buy actual healthcare insurance the same as they buy other types of insurance, we will be fukked. Any plans where runny noses are paid for by insurance are doomed. A single payer plan comes with a heaping helping of problems but it would be better than the shit sandwich we are eating now. Unfortunately, many of the republicans want to just change the flavor of mustard being slathered on the shit sammy.

There's nothing wrong with our "health care", it's the insurance business out of whack due to government welfare programs. Years ago the "poor" were cared by faith based hospitals and doctors who provided essentially pro bono or bartering. Ever notice so many hospitals are "Saint____", or even with a denominational name like "___Presbyterian" ? People weren't dying in the streets for lack of medical care. I will always refer to my bill for the birth of my older daughter in 1968. Mrs.O and baby O were in there for 4 days. I paid the bill with a personal check. Imagine being able to do that today?

Mikey wrote:



Actually, though, I guess nothing has stuck yet.

Don't worry.
Don will have another rally soon.


That'll do something.

Wolfman wrote:There's nothing wrong with our "health care", it's the insurance business out of whack due to government welfare programs. Years ago the "poor" were cared by faith based hospitals and doctors who provided essentially pro bono or bartering. Ever notice so many hospitals are "Saint____", or even with a denominational name like "___Presbyterian" ? People weren't dying in the streets for lack of medical care. I will always refer to my bill for the birth of my older daughter in 1968. Mrs.O and baby O were in there for 4 days. I paid the bill with a personal check. Imagine being able to do that today?

I couldn't help but notice that the hospital was not for profit. Perhaps we should adress that part of the health-care system.

Mikey wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:Pretty much the same as Obamacare, isn't it?

Not really. You must not have been following along at the time.

I will give you that it is different than Obamacare, (we need to pass it to see what's in it), but it certainly isn't any better or worse.

Obamacare would have collapsed on its own within another 18 months. But in the end we the people are getting fooked by both sides.

BSmack wrote:

Wolfman wrote:There's nothing wrong with our "health care", it's the insurance business out of whack due to government welfare programs. Years ago the "poor" were cared by faith based hospitals and doctors who provided essentially pro bono or bartering. Ever notice so many hospitals are "Saint____", or even with a denominational name like "___Presbyterian" ? People weren't dying in the streets for lack of medical care. I will always refer to my bill for the birth of my older daughter in 1968. Mrs.O and baby O were in there for 4 days. I paid the bill with a personal check. Imagine being able to do that today?

I couldn't help but notice that the hospital was not for profit. Perhaps we should adress that part of the health-care system.

Did you miss the part where he said many were cared for by hospitals with religious affiliations, or in this case one that was likely overseen by a municipal or county government? I still don't get why you can't be happy with this government run model that functioned rather well for the better part of the twentieth century? Why the need to go to a nationwide system? If your system is superior, show us knuckledraggers by doing it on the county or state level.

Jsc810 wrote:

BSmack wrote:I couldn't help but notice that the hospital was not for profit. Perhaps we should adress that part of the health-care system.

Over the last 7 years, 70 healthcare CEOs combined have pulled in more than $9.8 billion dollars in pay.

Put everyone on Medicare and be done with it.

An average CEO salary isn't the reason Obamacare is failing. But by all means sell the class warfare narrative so low info citizens will get all worked up. Why not call out solar indurstry CEOs who are taking in similar amounts per year in compensation yet are taking in Billions of dollars in federal subsidies?

The Republicans will likely screw this up, and be out in the next 2-4 years in congress and the executive office. In California Obama care has been a huge success, over 90% have health care. If that gets flipped off, or people are getting a lot less coverage for their money, the tables will turn in favor for the Dems for another 8+ years.

pops hit the nail on the head, hospitals & pharmaceutical companies trying to grow and make profits like the tech sector is a huge issue. Heath care profits should be legislated like utility companies.

smackaholic wrote:

BSmack wrote:

Wolfman wrote:There's nothing wrong with our "health care", it's the insurance business out of whack due to government welfare programs. Years ago the "poor" were cared by faith based hospitals and doctors who provided essentially pro bono or bartering. Ever notice so many hospitals are "Saint____", or even with a denominational name like "___Presbyterian" ? People weren't dying in the streets for lack of medical care. I will always refer to my bill for the birth of my older daughter in 1968. Mrs.O and baby O were in there for 4 days. I paid the bill with a personal check. Imagine being able to do that today?

I couldn't help but notice that the hospital was not for profit. Perhaps we should adress that part of the health-care system.

Did you miss the part where he said many were cared for by hospitals with religious affiliations, or in this case one that was likely overseen by a municipal or county government? I still don't get why you can't be happy with this government run model that functioned rather well for the better part of the twentieth century? Why the need to go to a nationwide system? If your system is superior, show us knuckledraggers by doing it on the county or state level.

You will see it if the Republicans repeal, the single-payer bill in New York will definitely advance through the state Senate. It is a near guarantee that it will also pass in California.

That is perfect. States and counties should be handling this. What works in NYC likely won't work in rural Texas. Get the Feds out of health care.


And if health care profits should be regulated, then we should add caps to malpractice cases and limit its use. Might as well cap attorneys fees and profit while we are at it.

Something should be done with malpractice cases, but in general the difference is peopley don't absolutely need an attorney, but they will absolutely need health care, like power & water.

So something that isn't an integral part of healthcare, attorneys and malpractice insurance, prolly shouldn't account for such a large portion of the cost. Yet it is offer the second highest cost for doctors.

Med Mal is 2.4% of total health care costs you stupid orange fuck.

Left Seater wrote:That is perfect. States and counties should be handling this. What works in NYC likely won't work in rural Texas. Get the Feds out of health care.

Yet somehow single-payer healthcare systems work in every industrialized country in the world.

BSmolensk wrote:

Left Seater wrote:That is perfect. States and counties should be handling this. What works in NYC likely won't work in rural Texas. Get the Feds out of health care.

Yet somehow single-payer healthcare systems work in every industrialized country in the world.

Charlie Gard would disagree. Like Nazi death camps, just another example of what happens when you put Socialists in charge.

That kid was never going to make it. His dna sucked so Darwin took him. Wasting millions wasn't going to change that. Now go suck more orange cock you stupid fuck.

I have never sued anyone in my life you stupid fuck.

Menstrual Sale wrote:That kid was never going to make it. His dna sucked so Darwin took him. Wasting millions wasn't going to change that. Now go suck more orange cock you stupid fuck.

By what authority does the government get to determine whether a child lives or dies? I repeat: this is what happens when you put Socialists in charge. Don't you have toys to build, shorty?

The kid was not going to make it and no amount of pillow biting (or obssesing on my body) is going to change that. He was a weak link and now he is dead. Now go suck more orange cock you stupid snowflake.

Doesn't make a difference, you sawed-off little cuck. No government in a free society has the right to determine life or death over a child. Not only are you just as brain-dead as little Charlie, you can wear his clothes too. Go fuck yourself you stupid leftist.

Darwin decided he would die you stupid fuck. The only thing the gov did was protected them from a predatory dr who was selling snake oil. Now go obsess about my body some more, jack of with a belt sander and suck some more orange cock you forskin licking POS.

Yes I fight the gov everyday, how horrible of me.

Objection- Assumes facts not in evidence.
Now to answer the question you meant to ask, the gov should (with many checks) be in charge of some things and the private sector (with many checks) should be in charge of other things.

Moving Sale wrote:That kid was never going to make it. His dna sucked so Darwin took him. Wasting millions wasn't going to change that. Now go suck more orange cock you stupid fuck.

Are you a doctor, you fukking moron?

You may be right. But no one was asking the NHS to pay for the care. The family simply wanted the choice to take their son to a place that might possibly help him. The NHS said STFU. We know best.

Why do you think that is?

I will tell you why. What if the kid responded to those damn colonials fancy witch doctors? They'd look bad and their commoners might expect such treatment in the future. What if that kid's parents were William and Kate. Do you think he wouldn't have been on the first jet to the States for treatment?

The parents agreed with the court that he shouldn't go to Merica after hearing what a quack the dr was, so go blow your "Possibly" helpful out your low information ass.

The parents gave up because there son's condition has degraded to the point now where there is no hope for him.

My personal opinion is that it is probably best that this poor little kid just die, but you know what? He ain't my fukking kid. And he ain't the NHS's kid either.

Chip, given your medical history, they prolly would have cut their losses on you a while ago.

Moving Sale wrote:The only thing the gov did was protected them from a predatory dr who was selling snake oil.
...
I fight the gov everyday
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the gov should (with many checks) be in charge of some things and the private sector (with many checks) should be in charge of other things.

Is it your opinion that among the things gov't should be in charge of is protecting citizens from predatory snake oil salesmen? Or would you fight the gov't on that one?

Both
Do you have a better plan?

smackaholic wrote:The parents gave up because there son's condition has degraded to the point now where there is no hope for him.

That is just not how it happened.

88 wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:Over the last 7 years, 70 healthcare CEOs combined have pulled in more than $9.8 billion dollars in pay.[/url]

Put everyone on Medicare and be done with it.

So, genius, you are suggesting that for about $1.4 billion a year, we can put everyone on Medicare and the numbers will work out? Or are you playing the I can shoot a magic unicorns out my ass show again?

I would like to see the combined malpractice settlements for that period. I would also like to see the cost of procedures done purely on a CYA basis. I would bet that both numbers dwarf what those evil CEOs make.

Moving Sale wrote:Yes I fight the gov everyday, how horrible of me.

Yet, you want them to provide you with healthcare?

BSmack wrote:

Left Seater wrote:That is perfect. States and counties should be handling this. What works in NYC likely won't work in rural Texas. Get the Feds out of health care.

Yet somehow single-payer healthcare systems work in every industrialized country in the world.

Great argument until you go visit the Cleveland Clinic, The Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson, etc. These facilities are covered with foreigners from these same industrialized countries getting medical treatment not available at home.

smackaholic wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:Yes I fight the gov everyday, how horrible of me.

Yet, you want them to provide you with healthcare?

You want go to 100% not for profit insurance companies? Im down for that.

Moving Sale wrote:I have never sued anyone in my life you stupid fuck.

Of course not. You spend all your time trying to getting guilty cocksuckers off with the same kind of chicken shit antics you pull in here. Since you get your ass handed to you every time you post, we can assume most of your public defender clients are rotting in jail.

Now go ahead and tell me to suck an orange cock.

Moving Sale wrote:

smackaholic wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:Yes I fight the gov everyday, how horrible of me.

Yet, you want them to provide you with healthcare?

You want go to 100% not for profit insurance companies? Im down for that.

Then you obviously have no fucking clue as to how inept, inefficient, and corrupt a lot of non profits are. Insurance companies would figure out how to game that so fast.