We don't need no.....education.

[smackaholic]

This dude nails it.

The Educational Industrial Complex is a good chunk of what is wrong with this country.

[LTS TRN 2]

Smackie, these weasels you trot out are something best left in a doggie bag.

[Goober McTuber]

This dude nails it.

The Educational Industrial Complex is a good chunk of what is wrong with this country.

If we look at you as a product of the "Educational Industrial Complex", you probably have a point.

[smackaholic]

I was chewed up and spit out of the IEC in one short year. I worked for a bit then joined the Navy. The Navy gave me a great edumacashum and I dare say I am in better overall economic shape 30 years later than a fair number of those that did grind through 4 or maybe 9 years of college.

This is one area where we actually should look to how the euros do it. Germany has a great apprentice system. Even German engineers take part in it. A typical German kid enters this pipeline around age 15, where he learns to be a mechanic before learning to be a mechanical engineer. By the time he gets his degree he is years ahead of the typical American BSME who comes out of school armed with not much more than a few thousand formulas bouncing around his dome, most of which have been forgotten by then.

[Mikey]

A typical German kid enters this pipeline around age 15, where he learns to be a mechanic before learning to be a mechanical engineer. By the time he gets his degree he is years ahead of the typical American BSME who comes out of school armed with not much more than a few thousand formulas bouncing around his dome, most of which have been forgotten by then.

Your reputation for stupidity is not in any way harmed by this incredibly creative observation.

[Diego in Seattle]

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Smackie, these weasels you trot out are something best left in a doggie bag.

Tikkun olam, Felchco. Someone has to do the heavy book learnin'...might as well be my people.

[Wolfman]

Depends on what you want to do for an occupation. See no reason to piss away money on many current bullshit college programs such as Women's Studies--you know what I mean. Face it, a lot of young guys would be better off if their parents got them a van/truck and tools and got them going into making money instead of borrowing/spending it.

[smackaholic]

A typical German kid enters this pipeline around age 15, where he learns to be a mechanic before learning to be a mechanical engineer. By the time he gets his degree he is years ahead of the typical American BSME who comes out of school armed with not much more than a few thousand formulas bouncing around his dome, most of which have been forgotten by then.

Your reputation for stupidity is not in any way harmed by this incredibly creative observation.

I guess the engineering manager at a local company that told me about his experience working with such young German engineers was full of shit. He said that they were far better equipped than comparable American engineers.

[Mikey]

A typical German kid enters this pipeline around age 15, where he learns to be a mechanic before learning to be a mechanical engineer. By the time he gets his degree he is years ahead of the typical American BSME who comes out of school armed with not much more than a few thousand formulas bouncing around his dome, most of which have been forgotten by then.

Your reputation for stupidity is not in any way harmed by this incredibly creative observation.

I guess the engineering manager at a local company that told me about his experience working with such young German engineers was full of shit. He said that they were far better equipped than comparable American engineers.

Mechanical engineers don't start out as mechanics. Even in Deutschland.



They might get some hands on experience in a technical college or an apprenticeship before going on the the more "academic" part of their training, but mechanics don't generally become mechanical engineers, even though the two words may seem similar to you. Mechanics, even in Germany, generally go on to become more experienced mechanics.

[Dinsdale]

I'm still furiously scanning the Constitution to see where it authorizes the Fed to dictate educational standards.

I did however find the one that forbids it, but can't find the one that authorizes it.

[Dinsdale]

Mechanical engineers don't start out as mechanics.

Your statement as an absolute is likely untrue. Although I don't know any MEs that put themselves through school working as mechanics.

They MEs I do know (best friend, late father, et al) all had to learn basic machine shop, plastics/ and sheet metal working, hands-on. Which isn't the same as changing a fuel pump on an Oldsmobile.

[Mikey]

Mechanical engineers don't start out as mechanics.

Your statement as an absolute is likely untrue. Although I don't know any MEs that put themselves through school working as mechanics.

They MEs I do know (best friend, late father, et al) all had to learn basic machine shop, plastics/ and sheet metal working, hands-on. Which isn't the same as changing a fuel pump on an Oldsmobile.

OK I should have said "generally." Absolutes are generally hard to hard to prove.

Before I was a mechanical engineer I worked in construction for a few years and it was incredibly valuable, since I was an electrician, and ended up working a lot with energy efficiency projects in buildings and industrial facilities and stuff as an ME. A lot of that involves knowing where the wires go and how big they are.

I also know an engineering manager who realizes that hands on experience can be valuable. But he's never met a mechanical engineer who started out as a mechanic, and he's met a lot of engineers. Automotive engineers, maybe. Admittedly he doesn't know any German engineers though. And he's sitting in my chair typing on my keyboard at this very moment, so I know just how he thinks.

[Mikey]

OK I should have said "generally." Absolutes are generally hard to hard to prove.

Like Global Warming?

You must think you’re pretty fucking clever.
You don’t fool me for a goddam minute.
:P

[LTS TRN 2]

Smackie, these weasels you trot out are something best left in a doggie bag.

Tikkun olam, Felchco. Someone has to do the heavy book learnin'...might as well be my people.

So..what happened to you? I mean, you're a squirming little idiot. You've never shown an interest or knowledge of anything. You're babs for fucks sake, "trolling" with asshole nics, spouting your toxic Likud spoor. What book have you ever cracked?

[Goober McTuber]

Smackie, these weasels you trot out are something best left in a doggie bag.

Tikkun olam, Felchco. Someone has to do the heavy book learnin'...might as well be my people.

So..what happened to you? I mean, you're a squirming little idiot. You've never shown an interest or knowledge of anything. You're babs for fucks sake, "trolling" with asshole nics, spouting your toxic Likud spoor. What book have you ever cracked?

[Moving Sale]

I'm still furiously scanning the Constitution to see where it authorizes the Fed to dictate educational standards.

Art 4 sec 3 clause 2

[Dinsdale]

Art 4 sec 3 clause 2

That covers, Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa, et al, but still doesn't address the 50 States.

[Moving Sale]

It says (because apparently you can't read) that the national government can dispose of property anyway they want, as long as it does not run afoul of another part of the USC like say the 1st amendment. Money is property. I don't like the National government in my local school either, but it is not unconstitutional.

[Dinsdale]

to dictate educational standards.

dispose of property anyway they want

Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm obsessing over the size of your brain.

[Moving Sale]

The money they dispose of comes with strings, like standards.