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schmick wrote:
The whole point of a census survey is to count how many Americans live where.

link?

You might want to read Article 1 Section 2 and Article 14 Section 2 of this thing called the US Constitution.

Nice deflection.

Are you and Joe in PB related?

Mikey wrote:Nice deflection.

Nice? It was spectacular.

It was the message board equivalent of shouting "Look behind you!", then running away.

If they ask you how many toilets you have in your house, what's wrong with that? All I reveal is how many live in the house. A census should be just nose counting.

Mikey, are yo trying to say previous versions of the census were unconstitutional? The question has been included in some form of every census except for the 2010 version. The four prior to 2010 included it in the long form.

So is it unconstitutional now because you hate the President? Or has it been unconstitutional all along?

Left Seater wrote:Mikey, are yo trying to say previous versions of the census were unconstitutional? The question has been included in some form of every census except for the 2010 version. The four prior to 2010 included it in the long form.

So is it unconstitutional now because you hate the President? Or has it been unconstitutional all along?

The point being, that the census is not limited to "Americans" or citizens, but to every person residing in the representative area. Certain exceptions apply, but it is not limited to citizenship.
(Should have said 14th Amendment, not Article 14)


Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.2 The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.
http://constitutionus.com/

(Amendment XIV), Section 2
2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,15 and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. affects 2
http://constitutionus.com/#x14s2

So it says nothing about asking about citizenship. Got it.

So are you saying census forms prior to 2010 were unconstitutional?

Left Seater wrote:So it says nothing about asking about citizenship. Got it.

So are you saying census forms prior to 2010 were unconstitutional?

I said nothing of the sort. I was responding to this, which is incorrect:

The whole point of a census survey is to count how many Americans live where.