Recounts

[smackaholic]

The crooked south Florida election officials are giving us a replay of 2000. They are bound and determined to keep recounting until they get the result they want.

Why are there even "recounts" anyway? Who is to say that a second count is more accurate than the first? The fact that every time they count, they come up with a different number is BS.

There should be one count, on election day. Assuming ballots are counted by a machine, and the machine is not a republican or a democrat, it's count should be used.

Will its count be accurate?

Maybe, maybe not. But it will be impartial and I think that is about the best we can hope for. There are ways to do functional tests on any machine. Do them ahead of time. Certify that a machine can count accurately and accept its count. If people are too fukking stupid to fill out their ballot correctly, too bad.

And we should get away from all this absentee, early voting bullshit.

Absentee voting is inherently prone to voter fraud. It should be reserved for military or others that can prove a need for them. I think multiple day voting is fine, so long as it is done in person, with ID.

[Screw_Michigan]

They're not "recounting." They're counting the ballots.

Election fraud and vote suppression in Florida minority communities is so wide spread officials need to ensure that all votes are counted right the first time.

[Mikey]

I'm at my ignorant best today.

Are you really this much of a Trump ball sucker?

No matter what your Dear Leader and the Blue Eyed Zombie from Florida would have you believe, a lot of ballots come in after election day and they need to be legally counted. Just because all the networks race each other on election night to "call" each race doesn't mean that they're reporting accurate or in any way official results. Florida law stipulates when a recount is required and neither Scott nor Trump can dictate that it doesn't happen. If you don't like the law, then change it.

Funny how the Repubs want to push counting all the ballots in Arizona but are trying to suppress the same thing in Florida. Wonder if there's any motivation there beyond a fair election?
If you think Florida's election system is corrupt, just ask yourself who has been Governor there for the past eight years.

Seriously, take your head out of your ass for just a few minutes each day. You might find the fresh air to be fairly pleasant.

[Kierland]

Just after returning from his trip to Europe, President Donald Trump on Monday morning turned back to the increasingly bitter battle over recounts in the Senate and governor's races in Florida, calling ballots "massively infected" and making claims of fraud without providing any evidence.
So basically he is a 88deadholicroostercells with his finger on the button.

[Goober McTuber]

And we should get away from all this absentee, early voting bullshit.

Absentee voting is inherently prone to voter fraud. It should be reserved for military or others that can prove a need for them. I think multiple day voting is fine, so long as it is done in person, with ID.

Which are you opposed to, early voting, or absentee voting? Or absentee, early voting?

We should make it as easy as possible for all citizens to legally vote. I vote early every election. I have to show legal ID. I go to a machine, insert a piece of paper, and make my selections. The machine spits out my piece of paper, with all of my choices on it. The poll volunteer folds it and places it in an envelope to be forwarded to the county clerk. Explain where the fraud comes in, you disingenuous tard.

[Left Seater]

They're not "recounting." They're counting the ballots.

Then why is the Washington Post saying they are recounting? The disappointing part in this is the fact that the number of ballots continued to grow for days after election night, and not from overseas or mail in ballots. The total number of votes cast in early voting and on election day should be known quickly. It shouldn't take days for that number to be totalled.

We should make it as easy as possible for all citizens to legally vote. I vote early every election. I have to show legal ID.

I agree with this. Make it as easy as possible for all citizens to vote. ID should be a part of this as well. Every effort should be made for those citizens that do not have a passport, Driver's license, State ID card, Military ID, etc to obtain one for the purpose of voting. Most of these ID's have barcodes that could be read by voting machines to allow only citizens to vote.

[Mikey]

the number of ballots continued to grow for days after election night, and not from overseas or mail in ballots.

Link?

[Left Seater]

"On election night, Broward County said there were 634,000 votes cast. At 1 a.m. today, there were 695,700 ballots cast on election day. At 2:30 p.m. today, the number was up to 707,223 ballots cast on Election Day. And we just learned, that the number has increased to 712,840 ballots cast on Election Day. In Palm Beach County, there are 15,000 new votes found since election night.

"So, it has been over 48 hours since the polls closed and Broward and Palm Beach Counties are still finding and counting ballots – and the Supervisors – Brenda Snipes and Susan Bucher – cannot seem to say how many ballots still exist or where these ballots came from, or where they have been," Scott said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... to-dem.amp

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah, Rick Scott, there's a dependable source!

[Left Seater]

Says the guy who said they aren’t recounting.

[Mikey]

"On election night, Broward County said there were 634,000 votes cast. At 1 a.m. today, there were 695,700 ballots cast on election day. At 2:30 p.m. today, the number was up to 707,223 ballots cast on Election Day. And we just learned, that the number has increased to 712,840 ballots cast on Election Day. In Palm Beach County, there are 15,000 new votes found since election night.

"So, it has been over 48 hours since the polls closed and Broward and Palm Beach Counties are still finding and counting ballots – and the Supervisors – Brenda Snipes and Susan Bucher – cannot seem to say how many ballots still exist or where these ballots came from, or where they have been," Scott said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... to-dem.amp

So you're saying that, due to the possible ineptitude of the polling systems in two counties, all votes whether legitimate or not that came in after election day should be discarded? Why do you hate democracy?

I don't know about Florida but, around here, a mail in ballot has to be postmarked by election day. There are a lot of ballots arriving after the close of the polls, especially from folks voting absentee. If the system in Florida is so fucked up, and it has been for quite a while, how come the sitting Governor, who has been in office for eight years, never did anything about it but now all of a sudden is crying foul?

Daniel A. Smith, chairman of the political science department at the University of Florida, said 41,000 Floridians requested mail-in ballots from overseas, so elections supervisors were simply inundated with ballots to count after Election Day.

“My position quite honestly is there is very low likelihood of fraud going on anywhere,” Mr. Smith said. “There is a capacity issue when so many ballots come in on Election Day.”

Mr. Scott claimed fraud in Broward County even though the state was monitoring Dr. Snipes’s office during the election. The state’s division of elections assigned two staff members to watch how the election was administered, visit polling places and observe the preparation of voting equipment and procedures.

The monitors made no reports of fraud.

“Our staff has seen no evidence of criminal activity at this time,” Sarah Revell, a spokeswoman for the division of elections, said on Saturday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/us/f ... count.html

In other words Rick Scott is a lying POS, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker.

[Sirfindafold]

[Bucmonkey]

.05%...recount mandated by law in this state...fucking uptight cunts.

[Mikey]

Rick Scott and his out-of-state lawyers are trying to steal the election in Florida.

Bay County, which voted 73.1% for Scott, allowed thousands, if not millions, of voters to cast their ballots illegally by email. These votes should not be counted.

Bay County allowed voters to cast ballots online despite law, Gov. Scott's orders

The election supervisor in hurricane-wracked Bay County allowed some voters to illegally cast ballots by email — an act specifically prohibited by Gov. Rick Scott when he issued an emergency order to expand voting opportunities there after the storm.

Despite the prohibition, Bay County Election Supervisor Mark Andersen says he stands by his decision in the Republican-rich county after Hurricane Michael. In all, he said, 147 voters returned ballots through email but only 10 were purely email-to-email interactions. In the other cases, voters used fax machines to email their ballots in, which is currently permitted by state law for overseas voters.

“Whoever has a problem with this should be ashamed,” Andersen told POLITICO. “This area was hit by a hurricane and some people still don’t have power, some still don’t have water and one of my staff doesn’t have a home. Other staff need to fix their roofs.

Neither the state’s elections division or Scott’s office immediately responded to requests for comment about the story, which was first reported by WJHG/WECP in Panama City.

The voters who cast ballots through email signed an oath, verified identification and secured the information, according to WJHG/WECP.

A similar policy is used for overseas voters, Andersen told the outlets.

Democrats accuse Scott — who has raised the specter of “widespread fraud” in Democrat-heavy South Florida counties without providing clear evidence — of hypocrisy by saying nothing of the apparently illegal email voting that he specifically said shouldn’t take place.

“Why does this supervisor in this county not have to follow the law?” asked state Sen. Kevin Rader (D-Delray Beach), whose district includes parts of Palm Beach and Broward counties where Scott has sued the elections supervisors amid the recount in his U.S. Senate race.

“Email ballots aren’t legal,” Rader said. “Why the double standard?"

But Andersen said this was an extreme case. He said his office still verified voter signatures to make sure lawful votes were cast.

“We sent out ballots to get people to vote. If you cancel these votes, you cancel Democratic and Republican votes,” Andersen said. “Elections are for voters. They’re not for the candidates.”

Scott on Oct. 18 issued an emergency executive order to help ensure voters in the counties hit hardest by Michael would have opportunities to vote. The order allowed counties to open mega-precincts for all voters in eight counties: Bay, Calhoun, Franklin, Gadsden, Gulf, Jackson, Liberty and Washington.

In a statement on Oct. 18, Scott explicitly said voting through fax or email would not be allowed.

“In the hardest hit areas, communication via phone, fax and email remains challenging and would be an unreliable method for returning ballots,” a written statement from Scott’s office said. “Additionally, past attempts by other states to allow voters impacted by natural disasters to fax or email ballots have been rife with issues. The Department is actively reviewing ways to provide more absentee ballots to those voters in the counties severely impacted by Hurricane Michael.”

In Bay County, Scott received 73.1 percent of the vote — 46,646 votes — compared to Nelson’s 26.1 percent, or 16,684 votes, according to unofficial election results.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis was ahead by a similar margin: 71.6 percent, or 45,694 votes, against Democrat Andrew Gillum’s 26.2 percent, or 16,738 votes.

[Left Seater]

Mail in votes are not the issue here. In my quote it specifically says, votes cast on election day, meaning voters going to the polls.

I do agree that Florida does seem to have had a number of issues over a number of years and they should probably toss the whole lot of them, Dems, Republicans, Independents, etc.

[Rooster]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

[Screw_Michigan]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Link? From a legitimate news source, please.

[Mikey]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Nobody’s “defending” anybody here. Why do hate counting all legitimate votes?

[Left Seater]

So are the email votes legitimate in Bay county? Are paper ballots in Palm Beach County found after the deadline for reporting total votes cast (not the number of votes for each candidate) legitimate?

[smackaholic]

If email votes are illegal, by Florida law, they should not be counted. Same goes for the shit they are finding in trunks or sofa cushions or whatever, in Broward.

[Kierland]

Is there any right wing wacko conspiracy theory you won’t swallow?

[Mikey]

So are the email votes legitimate in Bay county? Are paper ballots in Palm Beach County found after the deadline for reporting total votes cast (not the number of votes for each candidate) legitimate?

Do you have a link besides FAUX News or the Scott campaign showing that there actually were any "paper ballots in Palm Beach County found after the deadline?" I would accept any announcement from any official Florida department or agency confirming this "fact."

The box that Rubio claimed was filled with illegitimate ballots apparently contained only office supplies.

[Rooster]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Nobody’s “defending” anybody here. Why do hate counting all legitimate votes?

Because by law someone independent was supposed to be in the room witnessing the count of freshly discovered boxes of votes taken from the trunk of a Democrat operative’s car— among other things.

[Rooster]

It’s time to hold Broward County elections supervisor Brenda Snipes accountable.
NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLE
Conspiracy theories are bad for civic life.

So are conspiracies.

I wonder if there is one mentally normal adult walking these fruited plains — even the most craven, abject, brain-dead partisan Democrat — who believes that what has been going on in Broward County, Fla., is anything other than a brazen attempt to reverse the Republican victories in the state’s Senate, gubernatorial, and (not to be overlooked) agriculture commissioner’s races. I cannot imagine that there is, but it is really quite something to see partisan Democrats — the same people who pretend to believe that the 2016 presidential election was invalid because Boris and Natasha posted something on Facebook — watch not only utterly contented but with joy in their hearts as the rolling crime wave that is Broward County elections supervisor Brenda Snipes and her coconspirators try to actually steal an election or three.

Boxes of ballots magically showing up in the trunks of rental cars in the Fort Lauderdale airport — cars last rented by Democratic operatives? What is this, a Coen Brothers movie? At least Saddam Hussein had the good taste to be amusing when he was stuffing the ballot boxes.

That voting fraud that our Democratic friends insist never happens happens quite a lot under Snipes’s watch. She has allowed disenfranchised felons and illegal aliens to vote; sent out mail-in ballots in which a proposed constitutional amendment was simply omitted; secretly opened ballots to thwart oversight. Her team doesn’t seem to be able to add up votes very quick — except when they add them up too quickly: In one truly banana-republic shenanigan, her office posted a final vote tally while the polls were still open. Rick Scott’s team has detailed much of this in its legal complaint against her.

Think on that: Let a Republican-run state ask voters for photo identification at the polls and there’s a whole Götterdämmerung worth of wailing and alarum, but when Brenda Snipes openly flouts the law and dares anybody to try to do anything about it, that’s the epitome of democracy?

Please.

People turn to conspiracy theories for all sorts of reasons, but one of those reasons is that corrupt Democratic officials in state and federal governments — this is not an equally bipartisan problem — have by their criminal actions rendered those kinds of suspicions more plausible. Nobody — nobody who isn’t stupid — really thinks that Lois Lerner and her Democratic colleagues at the Internal Revenue Service were just doing trying to do their duty when they illegally targeted and harassed Tea Party groups and other critics of the Obama administration. Nobody really believes that Hillary Rodham Clinton is just some dotty old bat who doesn’t know how email works. No rational adult believes that HSS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius, EPA boss Lisa Jackson (a.k.a. “Richard Windsor”), and all those other Obama-administration officials were using secret email accounts set up under fake names to avoid getting spam in their in-boxes. It is difficult to believe that it was pure coincidence that John Kerry’s stepson went into the foreign-investment business with Joe Biden’s son at just the moment their fathers were in a position to shape U.S. foreign policy. It’s one thing to be an angry partisan — it’s another thing to abandon all self-respect and pretend not to see what you see.

And that’s just at the federal level: Who can defend corrupt Texas prosecutor Rosemary Lehmberg’s prosecution of Rick Perry or her predecessor’s laughable prosecutions of Tom DeLay and Kay Bailey Hutchison as anything other than naked political vendettas?


Are we supposed to not notice that a group of Democratic activists in Texas have just been indicted as part of a voting-fraud ring?

Whatever bedtime stories Democrats tell themselves so that they can sleep at night, this stuff is obvious corruption. Philadelphia has a long history of voting shenanigans, from elections that had to be overturned because of rampant vote fraud (“We found ballots cast on behalf of dead people, fictitious people and real people living in such places as Las Vegas, Greenland and Crete,” the Philadelphia Inquirer reported about one case. “We found ballots cast from vacant lots and abandoned buildings”) to the rather active citizenship of “Joseph J. Cheeseboro,” who has voted in at least eight elections — sometimes twice — in spite of his registered addresses being a vacant lot and a 7-Eleven.

The bigger problem is this: Even if Brenda Snipes were simply a wildly incompetent dope with no business overseeing anything more complicated than the slow assembly of a Lego project — and I mean one of the little kids’ Duplo sets, not even the real-deal full-on Lego — the history of obvious and undeniable corruption in electoral and related matters makes malfeasance a perfectly reasonable supposition.

Petty corruption and non-petty corruption both undermine faith in public institutions and democratic processes. The less people trust in those institutions, the less effective those institutions are. People either become less inclined to participate in those corrupted processes or — seeing the corruption and assuming that it represents the normal and expected state of play — come to accept or even to encourage similar corruption on their own side. One suspects that the Democrats spend so much time wailing about “disenfranchisement” — which is how they describe the enforcement of ordinary voting laws and standards of credibility — for precisely that reason. If you tell yourself that you are just trying to level the playing field, you can justify all kinds of corruption.

The Democrats have been playing with fire for a long time. Both Florida and the United States offer criminal penalties for official misconduct regarding elections. It is time to make an example.


KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON — Kevin D. Williamson is the roving correspondent for National Review.

[Rooster]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Link? From a legitimate news source, please.

https://www.wftv.com/news/who-is-brenda ... /870270607
“A court ruled Snipes had broken election law when she destroyed ballots from the 2016 election 12 months after it, instead of the 22 months required by federal law, the Sun-Sentinel reported.”

[Mikey]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Nobody’s “defending” anybody here. Why do hate counting all legitimate votes?

Because by law someone independent was supposed to be in the room witnessing the count of freshly discovered boxes of votes taken from the trunk of a Democrat operative’s car— among other things.

Is this another one of your fantastical stories pulled from the mind of the Blue-Eyed Zombie from Florida, or do you have any actual facts to back this up?
I won't hold my breath.

[Mikey]

Why does it not surprise me that the Progressives on this board would leap to defend a woman who has previously been convicted of election fraud and abuse when in this election she has been openly breaking Florida law concerning the handling of votes? No surprise there at all.

Link? From a legitimate news source, please.

https://www.wftv.com/news/who-is-brenda ... /870270607
“A court ruled Snipes had broken election law when she destroyed ballots from the 2016 election 12 months after it, instead of the 22 months required by federal law, the Sun-Sentinel reported.”

I see a court ruling, but no conviction of any crime. Why do you hate the English language?

[Left Seater]

So going with the Hillary defense. Fitting.

[Mikey]

So going with the Hillary defense. Fitting.

Full of shit, as usualm. Fitting.

Please define any "crime" that was committed here.

[Kierland]

Rooster: “Her office posted a final vote tally while the polls were still open.”

When?

[Mikey]

So going with the Hillary defense. Fitting.

Full of shit, as usualm. Fitting.

Please define any "crime" that was committed here.

I’m still waiting.

[Mikey]

So are the email votes legitimate in Bay county? Are paper ballots in Palm Beach County found after the deadline for reporting total votes cast (not the number of votes for each candidate) legitimate?

Do you have a link besides FAUX News or the Scott campaign showing that there actually were any "paper ballots in Palm Beach County found after the deadline?" I would accept any announcement from any official Florida department or agency confirming this "fact."

The box that Rubio claimed was filled with illegitimate ballots apparently contained only office supplies.

I’m still waiting.

Maybe Rooster would like to jump in here with some more made up bullshit.

[Softball Bat]

Omg, this guy is seriously losing it.



“The Republicans don’t win and that’s because of potentially illegal votes,” Trump told the Caller.

“When people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles. Sometimes
they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again. Nobody
takes anything. It’s really a disgrace what’s going on," he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... s-in-tight








Stupid, off-the-wall bullshit like this coming from the Republican President of the United States is why the R's got rolled.

Wake up any day now, R's.


Wow.

[Kierland]

Worst POS ever.

[Softball Bat]

Isn't it funny how the guy who is always yelping about *FAKE NEWS* is the very same guy who continually belches out... fake news?

The plug can not be pulled on this lying sack of shit soon enough.

[BSmack]

Voter ID or get fucked

You should definitely get fucked.

[Screw_Michigan]

Voter ID or get fucked

Go buy a box of cereal, asswipe.

[Mikey]

I wonder why T-Bone Walker used to tilt his guitar up at such a bizarre angle.

A secret sign that he was a gay black man.

[Wolfman]

A guy killed a 19 foot python down in the Everglades. He cut it open and found 3 boxes of Democrat ballots.

[Mikey]

A guy killed a 19 foot python down in the Everglades. He cut it open and found 3 boxes of Democrat ballots.

About as believable as the BS that the Blue Eyed Zombie has been spewing.