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As predicted, Trump is caving and the GOP is melting over the shutdown. Nancy Pelosi has been kicking Trump in the balls over and over and there's nothing these shitbags can do about it.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ht-1125033
Trump White House grows eager to escape losing shutdown fight

Now that the Senate has shot down President Donald Trump’s compromise offer to end the month-long government shutdown, White House officials aren’t sure of their next move.

But they do know one thing: they’re losing, and they want to cut a deal.

The president is weighing the idea of a three-week continuing resolution to fund the government, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) revealed Thursday afternoon, reviving a prospect the president has previously ruled out. Trump acknowledged the proposal in an afternoon meeting with lawmakers, saying that Democrats would have to offer “some sort of pro-rated down payment” on the Mexican border wall he is demanding. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi quickly shot down Graham's idea, however, telling reporters late Thursday “that is not a reasonable agreement.”

The White House's new appetite for a negotiated resolution came after the administration managed to peel off just one Democratic vote — that of Sen. Joe Manchin (D, W.V.) — a fact that came as a particular surprise to Trump’s son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, who has touted his relationships with Democratic lawmakers but lacks deep experience on Capitol Hill.

Meanwhile several Republicans abandoned their party to vote for a Democratic counter proposal offered by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer that would have funded the entire government through March 8 without providing any additional money for the wall. That was a grim sign for Trump and his aides looking for a way to end the partial shutdown.

Trump’s next move remained a mystery to many West Wing aides even as the White House considered Graham’s proposal Thursday. But with Trump’s approval rating dropping to its lowest point in a year and advisers warning of a rising economic toll from the enduring stalemate, the president and his team are more eager than ever to strike a deal, according to a half dozen sources familiar with the situation.

While the president has previously dangled the threat of a national emergency declaration, he now considers the move a “last resort,” according to a source familiar with his thinking.

“Conversations that I’ve had with my colleagues have indicated the president has told them he is willing to have negotiations occur and look at additional ideas,” said Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), who along with the rest of the caucus chewed over the next steps with Pence at lunch on Thursday ahead of the vote.

White House aides said Thursday that the president would wait and see what sort of a proposal House Democrats outline in a planned press conference Friday morning, and determine then whether to make a counteroffer that would reopen the government.

House Democrats themselves were still debating on Thursday what to put in the proposal — which they insisted was not a counteroffer to Trump. Some members were open to the idea of funding for new fencing along the border while others remain adamantly opposed. Most agreed however that, even if they only offer money for border security measures that don’t involve building a physical barrier— including surveillance technology like drones — they will need to meet or surpass Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion in wall funding.

Trump’s apparent new desire for a negotiated exit to the shutdown was evident on Wednesday night, when he unexpectedly bowed to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s demand that he postpone his planned Tuesday State of the Union address until after the government reopens. “This is her prerogative — I will do the address when the shutdown is over,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “I am not looking for an alternative venue for the SOTU address because no venue can compete with the history, tradition, and importance of the House Chamber. I look forward to giving a ‘great’ State of the Union address in the near future!”
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Speaking of the unpaid workers...


“Local people know who they are, when they go for groceries and everything else,” Trump said of furloughed
workers. “And I think what Wilbur was probably trying to say is that they will work along.”

Trump added that banks, too, are “working along” with furloughed federal employees.

“If you have mortgages, the mortgagees, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work
along. And that’s what happens in a time like this,” he said.





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This is the same idiot who said that shoppers need to show a picture ID when buying groceries.

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I won't be surprised if Donald ends up declaring a national emergency.
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Drumpf is a national emergency.
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Why to address the subject at hand you stupid red douche.
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Kierland wrote:Why to address the subject at hand you stupid red douche.
I have no idea what you are attempting to communicate here. As a lawyer, I’m guessing you’re the court appointed one, someone who couldn’t make it for a reputable law firm with communication skills like that. I’m just a dumb helicopter pilot and I write like Shakespeare compared to you.
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Yes, if Shakespeare was a babbling retard.
President Donald Trump is the latest Washington politician to learn a hard lesson: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knows how to wield her power effectively.

The pitched battle between the two leaders over whether the President would deliver his State of the Union address in the House chamber next week, in the midst of the ongoing government shutdown, ended after Pelosi rescinded her invitation on Wednesday. Within minutes, Trump threatened to find an alternative location to deliver the speech -- only to back down hours later.

At her weekly press conference Thursday, Pelosi calmly called the dispute "so unimportant" for most Americans. But even this minor victory demonstrates the California Democrat is comfortable in her position to go toe-to-toe with a President who has confounded so many others who have found themselves at odds with him.
"She is ruthless and relentless in advancing toward her goals, whether political or policy," says Michael Steel, who worked as former House Speaker John Boehner's top spokesman. "She understands that power and the opportunity to get things done is a brief and transitive thing."

That helps make her the most formidable political opponent Trump has encountered in his short political career. Since declaring for president in 2015, Trump has essentially bested every foe he's faced. He dispatched the 16 Republicans in the 2016 primary, beat Hillary Clinton in the general election and then bent the party to his will after taking office. Since he became President, those who have opposed Trump have either lacked the power to do it effectively (Democrats), fallen in line (Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz) or have departed the political arena entirely (Jeff Flake, Bob Corker).

But while the Trump train careened generally unimpeded when Republicans were in charge, Pelosi is a real immovable object --knowledgeable in the institutions of Washington, empowered by a unified party behind her and intimidating to a President unaccustomed to dealing with a woman in power. She has the ability and incentive to stand firmly and confidently in opposition. And in the first test of this week, Trump blinked.

"She's been in the fight before," says Nadeam Elshami, Pelosi's former chief of staff. "She knows where the power lies."

Most importantly, she knows where her power lies, having spent four years as speaker working with a president in each party.

"She understands the tools of the speakership," said Patrick McHenry, the eight-term Republican from North Carolina who also served during Pelosi's first time with the gavel.
"She has an excellent understanding of power dynamics," says Steel.

A life in politics

Pelosi's tenure in Democratic leadership has been defined by a kind of old-school urban politics approach shaped by her upbringing in the midst of the Baltimore Democratic political machine. Her father, Thomas D'Alesandro, was a five-term congressman from Maryland and later Baltimore's mayor for 12 years, and her older brother also served as mayor. Pelosi moved to San Francisco and became a powerful figure in that city's own Democratic machine before her run for Congress in 1987.

This machine-politics pedigree manifests itself in her well-known ability to exert dominance on her caucus. Throughout the eight years Pelosi was minority leader during the Obama and Trump administrations, Democrats remained unified on every major vote. She maintained that unity through the first vote of the new Congress, her election as speaker, despite the serious threats to her leadership from critics within the caucus.

Just "Nancy"

Pelosi frequently exerts soft power. Rep. Ed Perlmutter, the Colorado Democrat who helped broker a deal between Pelosi and rebellious members who tried to block her rise to the speakership, told reporters in December that Pelosi maintains good relationships across the caucus. "She has a lot of skills and knowledge that most of the rest of us don't," Perlmutter said. "She is very good at what she does, and she's got a lot of relationships, and there's a lot of respect for her within our caucus."

But Pelosi is also unafraid to use retaliation as a tool. Most recently, Reps. Kathleen Rice and Anthony Brindisi, both House Democrats from New York who had been critical of Pelosi during the 2018 campaign and voted against her for speaker, were denied committee assignments they had lobbied for, moves seen as retribution by Pelosi.

That kind of perception has earned her respect (and perhaps a bit of fear) from Trump.

"I think the President has respect for allies or opponents who he sees as strong," said Marc Short, Trump's former legislative director in the White House and a CNN contributor. It's no accident that Trump, so deft at assigning humiliating nicknames to dismiss his foes, refers to Pelosi simply as "Nancy."

Hard won respect

That respect for the speaker is a change of pace for Trump, who publicly and privately has shown no such feelings toward Pelosi's GOP predecessor. In a scene from his forthcoming book Team of Vipers, former Trump aide Cliff Sims describes a phone conversation between Trump and Paul Ryan, who had just criticized the President's response to the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

"Paul, do you know why Democrats have been kicking your a-- for decades?" Sims recalls Trump saying. "Because they know a little word called 'loyalty.' Why do you think Nancy has held on this long?"

Short said Trump's grudging respect for Pelosi means there's more opportunity for the Democratic speaker and the Republican President to work together where they may have common ground on policy, particularly on infrastructure and some elements of health care. That, of course, could only happen if the two sides reach the so-far elusive agreement on the shutdown and border wall.

Sitting House Republicans, however, see a vulnerability behind Pelosi's holding the line during the shutdown. "Her projection of strength is a bit of an artifice," said McHenry, who adds the freshmen Democrats are a "raucous set" clamoring for confrontation, not negotiation, with Trump. "It limits her capacity to negotiate."

GOP leadership, meanwhile, is arguing that Pelosi's tough stance on postponing the State of the Union is unreasonable and self-destructive. "I think it's time for the Democratic Party to have an intervention with the speaker," Wyoming congresswoman Liz Cheney, the chairman of the House GOP conference, told reporters Thursday.

Not every Republican thinks Pelosi is a problem for Democrats. In fact, some admit that she just might be the perfect foil to Trump: a woman, well-versed in the art of political combat, and vested with the power of an office she knows how to wield.

"I think her entire life and background have prepared her to be an effective opponent for President Trump," Steel said.

After a long day of partisan battles on Capitol Hill, Pelosi took in a basketball game between the Washington Wizards and her visiting hometown team from the Bay Area -- the reigning NBA champions who last year declined the traditional visit to the White House in protest of Trump -- fittingly nicknamed the Warriors.
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Never mind the Dems have now twice voted not to pay workers.
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Left Seater wrote:Never mind the Dems have now twice voted not to pay workers.
Just because you keep saying this, doesn't make it right. Congrats on Trump for accepting the D offer....which was the exact same offer they made before your hero shut down the government to stiff working men and women.

So much winning, indeed.
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Hopefully his head will now explode and we can get back to life as we know it.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/01 ... 548439912/
The deal would lift the federal shutdown for three weeks, but does not include the $5.7 billion Trump requested to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

....Trump hinted he could turn to declaring a national emergency if doesn't get the border wall funding in new negotiations.

"If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will either shut down on Feb. 15 -- again -- or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and Constitution of the United States to address this emergency," he said......
Apparently like DACA, it's not really over.
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I can’t find it right now, but earlier in the government shutdown I stated that these things are always just vacations for these federal workers because they end up getting paid for being at home. Some of you disputed that, saying that I was factually incorrect.

Well, here is what Mitch McConnell said today:
“I’m glad that the dedicated men and women of the Coast Guard, law enforcement, the TSA, and all the other federal employees will not have to go longer without pay for their work, and will receive their back pay.

So unless he misspoke and this particular shutdown is being handled differently than all the other previous shutdowns, every last swingin’ dick who works for the Fed and was temporarily sent home is going to get backpay for enjoying an unscheduled vacation.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/th ... s-get-paid

The article talks about “furloughed and essential workers are guaranteed backpay,” so unless I am completely misreading this, everyone get their money regardless of their status as nonessential and essential.
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Jsc810 wrote:Trump said he wouldn't reopen government unless he got over $5B for a wall.

So if by caving you mean that he took a deal with $0 for a wall, which the Democrats offered 36 days ago, then yes, yes he caved.
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Rooster wrote:https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/th ... s-get-paid

The article talks about “furloughed and essential workers are guaranteed backpay,” so unless I am completely misreading this, everyone get their money regardless of their status as nonessential and essential.
The problem obviously is that many folks need their money NOW.

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It seems to me that given our government’s history of not being able to negotiate a budget, thus resulting in shutdowns, these federal employees would take care to have several months’ worth of income in the bank to cover such contingencies. But hey, that’s just me. Especially since these same federal employees make 50% more on average than a civilian worker doing the same type job. So, perhaps a bit of planning and foresight is called for, hmmm?
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Left Seater wrote:Never mind the Dems have now twice voted not to pay workers.
The House sent passed 10 bills to the Senate to re-open the govt.. But Trump-Putin stooge Mitch McConnell refused to allow a vote on any of them.

So who refused to pay the workers while refusing to do his job?
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And why did Trump cave?

Because he knew that this was the only thing that could push news of Roger Stone's indictment/arrest out of the news cycle.
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Diego in Seattle wrote:And why did Trump cave?

Because he knew that this was the only thing that could push news of Roger Stone's indictment/arrest out of the news cycle.
It was that or basically get overruled by Senate Republicans.
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Nancy Pelosi wrote:And I moved on him very heavily. He wanted to get some wall. I said 'I'll show you where you they have some nice walls.' I moved on him like a bitch.

But I couldn't get there. Then all of the sudden, I see him, he's now got the big phony rhetoric and everything. He's totally changed his position.

When you're the Madam Speaker, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the balls, you can do anything.
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This guy is a fucktard of the highest order.







Fund my wall (that Mexico was supposed to pay for) by the 15th of February, or I'll declare a national emergency.

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It’d be an abuse of executive power, no question. Furthermore, it’d loose whatever constraints the executive branch has on work-arounds from Congress. The founding fathers did not intend for government to operate in this manner, but with Congress not wanting to take responsibility for making law and the President filling the vacuum, it has turned governance on its head.
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Rooster wrote:It seems to me that given our government’s history of not being able to negotiate a budget, thus resulting in shutdowns, these federal employees would take care to have several months’ worth of income in the bank to cover such contingencies. But hey, that’s just me. Especially since these same federal employees make 50% more on average than a civilian worker doing the same type job. So, perhaps a bit of planning and foresight is called for, hmmm?
How do you come up with this kind of crazy bullshit?


Prior to this shutdown there were just 9 government shutdowns in 38 years.
4 of the 9 lasted 1 day.

Of the other 5 shutdowns, 3 lasted less than 5 days.

That means that the government shut down for more than 5 days just 2 times in 38 years.

And you're really in here saying workers should have prepped properly?

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Nobody in their right mind ever imagines that they better prep for the possibility of the oval office becoming occupied by a toddler walking around, shaking a rattle in a full diaper.
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I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a
concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the
Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!


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Rooster wrote:It’d be an abuse of executive power, no question. Furthermore, it’d loose whatever constraints the executive branch has on work-arounds from Congress. The founding fathers did not intend for government to operate in this manner, but with Congress not wanting to take responsibility for making law and the President filling the vacuum, it has turned governance on its head.
Agreed, we're all Americans, and compromise is part of government, but since Obama there has been civil war going on in Capitol Hill. That is a national emergency.

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Rooster wrote:It seems to me that given our government’s history of not being able to negotiate a budget, thus resulting in shutdowns, these federal employees would take care to have several months’ worth of income in the bank to cover such contingencies. But hey, that’s just me. Especially since these same federal employees make 50% more on average than a civilian worker doing the same type job. So, perhaps a bit of planning and foresight is called for, hmmm?
How do you come up with this kind of crazy bullshit?


Prior to this shutdown there were just 9 government shutdowns in 38 years.
4 of the 9 lasted 1 day.
Of the other 5 shutdowns, 3 lasted less than 5 days.
And you're really in here saying workers should have prepped properly?
LMAO!
Nobody in their right mind ever imagines that they better prep for the possibility of the oval office becoming occupied by a toddler walking around, shaking a rattle in a full diaper.
It isn’t crazy bullshit to have at minimum three month’s income in your bank account for unexpected financial surprises. I have a year’s income stashed away with a modest amount of cash and precious metals in our safe. I freely admit that I am probably an exception here, but to budget for something like a government shutdown as a federal worker just seems like common sense to me— particularly since there have now been two in two years and three in the last five years. It would be prudent to make plans for what was very obviously going to be a shutdown, even if it was only for a few days.

And weren’t you giving away free financial advice on this board not so long ago? For someone who thinks he is savvy enough to offer unsolicited tips on how to manage our money, you seem to be rather dimwitted when it comes to emergency funds.
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Rooster wrote:It’d be an abuse of executive power, no question. Furthermore, it’d loose whatever constraints the executive branch has on work-arounds from Congress. The founding fathers did not intend for government to operate in this manner, but with Congress not wanting to take responsibility for making law and the President filling the vacuum, it has turned governance on its head.
Agreed, we're all Americans, and compromise is part of government, but since Obama there has been civil war going on in Capitol Hill. That is a national emergency.

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Yes, Obama began this business of executive fiat with his stupid “I have a pen and a cellphone” shtick, but I was against it then and am against it now, because whatever this is, it is not a national emergency, particularly since the GOP had all the cards in their hands a couple of months ago and they weren’t all that motivated to solve the problem back then. This is not to say that it isn’t very important, because border security is, but that it does not in any way rise to the level of usurping Congress’ duties and role in legislating good budgets with those items which are necessary like border walls where needed.

We in the United States have gotten used to our presidents acting like monarchs. That needs to change back to how our founding fathers viewed our three branches of government.
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Rooster wrote:It isn’t crazy bullshit to have at minimum three month’s income in your bank account for unexpected financial surprises. I have a year’s income stashed away with a modest amount of cash and precious metals in our safe. I freely admit that I am probably an exception here, but to budget for something like a government shutdown as a federal worker just seems like common sense to me— particularly since there have now been two in two years and three in the last five years. It would be prudent to make plans for what was very obviously going to be a shutdown, even if it was only for a few days.

And weren’t you giving away free financial advice on this board not so long ago? For someone who thinks he is savvy enough to offer unsolicited tips on how to manage our money, you seem to be rather dimwitted when it comes to emergency funds.
Stop blaming federal workers for Trump's blatant irresponsibility and selfishness. Seriously. Next time I hope they shut the Pentagon down and fuck you for a month.
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Rooster wrote:It’d be an abuse of executive power, no question. Furthermore, it’d loose whatever constraints the executive branch has on work-arounds from Congress. The founding fathers did not intend for government to operate in this manner, but with Congress not wanting to take responsibility for making law and the President filling the vacuum, it has turned governance on its head.
Agreed, we're all Americans, and compromise is part of government, but since Obama there has been civil war going on in Capitol Hill. That is a national emergency.

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President Donald Trump is the latest Washington politician to learn a hard lesson: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knows how to wield her power effectively.

The pitched battle between the two leaders over whether the President would deliver his State of the Union address in the House chamber next week, in the midst of the ongoing government shutdown, ended after Pelosi rescinded her invitation on Wednesday. Within minutes, Trump threatened to find an alternative location to deliver the speech -- only to back down hours later.

At her weekly press conference Thursday, Pelosi calmly called the dispute "so unimportant" for most Americans. But even this minor victory demonstrates the California Democrat is comfortable in her position to go toe-to-toe with a President who has confounded so many others who have found themselves at odds with him.
"She is ruthless and relentless in advancing toward her goals, whether political or policy," says Michael Steel, who worked as former House Speaker John Boehner's top spokesman. "She understands that power and the opportunity to get things done is a brief and transitive thing."

That helps make her the most formidable political opponent Trump has encountered in his short political career. Since declaring for president in 2015, Trump has essentially bested every foe he's faced. He dispatched the 16 Republicans in the 2016 primary, beat Hillary Clinton in the general election and then bent the party to his will after taking office. Since he became President, those who have opposed Trump have either lacked the power to do it effectively (Democrats), fallen in line (Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz) or have departed the political arena entirely (Jeff Flake, Bob Corker).

But while the Trump train careened generally unimpeded when Republicans were in charge, Pelosi is a real immovable object --knowledgeable in the institutions of Washington, empowered by a unified party behind her and intimidating to a President unaccustomed to dealing with a woman in power. She has the ability and incentive to stand firmly and confidently in opposition. And in the first test of this week, Trump blinked.

"She's been in the fight before," says Nadeam Elshami, Pelosi's former chief of staff. "She knows where the power lies."

Most importantly, she knows where her power lies, having spent four years as speaker working with a president in each party.

"She understands the tools of the speakership," said Patrick McHenry, the eight-term Republican from North Carolina who also served during Pelosi's first time with the gavel.
"She has an excellent understanding of power dynamics," says Steel.

A life in politics

Pelosi's tenure in Democratic leadership has been defined by a kind of old-school urban politics approach shaped by her upbringing in the midst of the Baltimore Democratic political machine. Her father, Thomas D'Alesandro, was a five-term congressman from Maryland and later Baltimore's mayor for 12 years, and her older brother also served as mayor. Pelosi moved to San Francisco and became a powerful figure in that city's own Democratic machine before her run for Congress in 1987.

This machine-politics pedigree manifests itself in her well-known ability to exert dominance on her caucus. Throughout the eight years Pelosi was minority leader during the Obama and Trump administrations, Democrats remained unified on every major vote. She maintained that unity through the first vote of the new Congress, her election as speaker, despite the serious threats to her leadership from critics within the caucus.

Just "Nancy"

Pelosi frequently exerts soft power. Rep. Ed Perlmutter, the Colorado Democrat who helped broker a deal between Pelosi and rebellious members who tried to block her rise to the speakership, told reporters in December that Pelosi maintains good relationships across the caucus. "She has a lot of skills and knowledge that most of the rest of us don't," Perlmutter said. "She is very good at what she does, and she's got a lot of relationships, and there's a lot of respect for her within our caucus."

But Pelosi is also unafraid to use retaliation as a tool. Most recently, Reps. Kathleen Rice and Anthony Brindisi, both House Democrats from New York who had been critical of Pelosi during the 2018 campaign and voted against her for speaker, were denied committee assignments they had lobbied for, moves seen as retribution by Pelosi.

That kind of perception has earned her respect (and perhaps a bit of fear) from Trump.

"I think the President has respect for allies or opponents who he sees as strong," said Marc Short, Trump's former legislative director in the White House and a CNN contributor. It's no accident that Trump, so deft at assigning humiliating nicknames to dismiss his foes, refers to Pelosi simply as "Nancy."

Hard won respect

That respect for the speaker is a change of pace for Trump, who publicly and privately has shown no such feelings toward Pelosi's GOP predecessor. In a scene from his forthcoming book Team of Vipers, former Trump aide Cliff Sims describes a phone conversation between Trump and Paul Ryan, who had just criticized the President's response to the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

"Paul, do you know why Democrats have been kicking your a-- for decades?" Sims recalls Trump saying. "Because they know a little word called 'loyalty.' Why do you think Nancy has held on this long?"

Short said Trump's grudging respect for Pelosi means there's more opportunity for the Democratic speaker and the Republican President to work together where they may have common ground on policy, particularly on infrastructure and some elements of health care. That, of course, could only happen if the two sides reach the so-far elusive agreement on the shutdown and border wall.

Sitting House Republicans, however, see a vulnerability behind Pelosi's holding the line during the shutdown. "Her projection of strength is a bit of an artifice," said McHenry, who adds the freshmen Democrats are a "raucous set" clamoring for confrontation, not negotiation, with Trump. "It limits her capacity to negotiate."

GOP leadership, meanwhile, is arguing that Pelosi's tough stance on postponing the State of the Union is unreasonable and self-destructive. "I think it's time for the Democratic Party to have an intervention with the speaker," Wyoming congresswoman Liz Cheney, the chairman of the House GOP conference, told reporters Thursday.

Not every Republican thinks Pelosi is a problem for Democrats. In fact, some admit that she just might be the perfect foil to Trump: a woman, well-versed in the art of political combat, and vested with the power of an office she knows how to wield.

"I think her entire life and background have prepared her to be an effective opponent for President Trump," Steel said.

After a long day of partisan battles on Capitol Hill, Pelosi took in a basketball game between the Washington Wizards and her visiting hometown team from the Bay Area -- the reigning NBA champions who last year declined the traditional visit to the White House in protest of Trump -- fittingly nicknamed the Warriors.
Nice job eating Pelosi's stanky pussy there.
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SM wrote:Stop blaming federal workers for Trump's blatant irresponsibility and selfishness.
See, that's Rooster's obvious error here.

There is nothing wrong with people having things personally set up to handle an unexpected emergency.
I get that and agree with it.

But the issue at hand here is a juvenile jackoff run amok in the oval office.

Rooster wants us to take our eye off that and instead look at how other people (gov workers) are somehow not taking care of shit.

That dog won't hunt.
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:? stick to FFL son.
When I referred to a national emergency, I meant our dysfunctional government that has been corrupted by big money, some from outside the country. Which is why I'm in favor of legislation limiting campaign contributions to US citizens only, with a maximum of $1000. Having less political commercials before an election is a good thing, as is realigning the priorities of our representatives on the hill.
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All the liberals wrote:Trump
Because he's currently the POTUS.


Meanwhile....

[quote="All the conservatives]Hillary's emails![/quote]

...who is not & never been POTUS.
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Screw_Michigan wrote:
Rooster wrote:It isn’t crazy bullshit to have at minimum three month’s income in your bank account for unexpected financial surprises. I have a year’s income stashed away with a modest amount of cash and precious metals in our safe. I freely admit that I am probably an exception here, but to budget for something like a government shutdown as a federal worker just seems like common sense to me— particularly since there have now been two in two years and three in the last five years. It would be prudent to make plans for what was very obviously going to be a shutdown, even if it was only for a few days.

And weren’t you giving away free financial advice on this board not so long ago? For someone who thinks he is savvy enough to offer unsolicited tips on how to manage our money, you seem to be rather dimwitted when it comes to emergency funds.
Stop blaming federal workers for Trump's blatant irresponsibility and selfishness. Seriously. Next time I hope they shut the Pentagon down and fuck you for a month.
If they did shut down the Pentagon for a month next time, I'd be fine. Why? Because I have taken responsibility for my own life and financial health and refuse to live paycheck to paycheck. Furthermore, like all the previous times the government shuts down, backpay is issued once it's reopened. Companies like USAA and others who deal with federal employees even will cover their federal customers' bills for them because they know that the money is coming sooner or later. It's no big deal unless you foolishly bought from places like Rent-to-Own, where the interest on furniture purchases on credit runs 22% or higher-- but that'd be your own fault for involving yourself in such foolishness.
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Softball Bat wrote:
SM wrote:Stop blaming federal workers for Trump's blatant irresponsibility and selfishness.
See, that's Rooster's obvious error here.

There is nothing wrong with people having things personally set up to handle an unexpected emergency.
I get that and agree with it.

But the issue at hand here is a juvenile jackoff run amok in the oval office.

Rooster wants us to take our eye off that and instead look at how other people (gov workers) are somehow not taking care of shit.

That dog won't hunt.
Congress doesn't hold any responsibility for a budget then? I'm sure we can spread the blame around evenly between the executive and legislative branches if we are being intellectually honest here. And those federal workers are responsible for their lack of financial planning, just as they would be if after a career in government service, they didn't have a retirement set up for themselves. You guys make it sound like furloughed federal workers are eating Ramen and mac-n-cheese because they don't get paid enough to eat three square meals, much less save for their future.
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Rooster, Donald Trump cr@pped the bed.
Badly.

1. He sat there with Chuckster and Nancy and said he wanted to have the shutdown attributed to him. It's his.

2. Mexico was supposed to pay. And no, spinning this, showing some accounting razzle-dazzle, and claiming that they are paying is TOTAL nonsense. The U.S. is running MASSIVE deficits on Don's watch. Whatever Mexico is supposedly paying (indirectly) isn't doing jack shit for the U.S. taxpayers. We are all being reamed. Badly.

3. When Barry had 2 years with total gov control, he went to town and got the signature portion of his agenda done. Barrycare. Donald had two years with total gov control to get things rolling with his signature item -- the wall. Now with the Dims in control of the House, he is bellyaching about them derailing him? LOL It is a total joke, dude. He is incompetent.

4. You work and you get paid on time. Period. A worker has every right to expect such to be the case. Stop pointing fingers at the workers who expect their paycheck on time. I had two instances in my life where I worked, was expecting pay on a given date, and my employer somehow seemed to think it was okay if I had to wait until he was ready to pay me. Ummm... NO. No deal. I was pissed both times. I was not working paycheck to paycheck, but I was still very pissed off about having to wait for MY money.

5. Now Donald is still threatening to declare a national emergency?? Wtf? The guy is an incompetent, buffoonish, cartoonish asshat who deserves nothing but ridicule.


This whole thing is disgusting as hell.
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