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End of the American Dream

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We were in San Francisco in 1994 as part of our Tour USA/Canada.It was actually nice then. Might have seen one or two homeless types downtown. Chinatown clean and inviting. From what I read these days, a return trip will not be in order.

“Snyder has recently posted a statement of faith in which he states that he believes that the Bible is literally true and that Jesus is coming down in person soon to start the end times to punish all the non-believers. After which Jesus will start his thousand year reign over Earth.”

Sounds like a guy you should listen to.

Papa Willie wrote:

Joe in PB wrote:End of the American Dream

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I'd forgotten about the "free syringes" thing in SF. Sure would be cool if the majority of them would just go ahead and OD. Get it over with...

Had a cousin do that last year. He was a fuckup from the word go. Best thing you could say for him was that he was a decent cook. So we weren't surprised that he punched out on some fentanyl laced heroin. It was a shame seeing his mother all wracked with grief. But he wasn't from San Francisco he was from a small farming town in WNY that has been run by Republicans since Moses was in short pants.

BSmack wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:

Joe in PB wrote:End of the American Dream

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I'd forgotten about the "free syringes" thing in SF. Sure would be cool if the majority of them would just go ahead and OD. Get it over with...

Had a cousin do that last year. He was a fuckup from the word go. Best thing you could say for him was that he was a decent cook. So we weren't surprised that he punched out on some fentanyl laced heroin. It was a shame seeing his mother all wracked with grief. But he wasn't from San Francisco he was from a small farming town in WNY that has been run by Republicans since Moses was in short pants.

THe alleged drug war is an utter failure. Legalize it all, right now. Addicts may be worthless and better off dead, but I still think they deserve a "safe" high. They aren't dying from heroin, they are dying from shit they think is heroin. I can't help but believe that some of them might actually figure out how to be functional heroin addicts just as we have functional bourbon drinkers ('sup goobs?).

Back to the article, the aauthor's point is that these cities, which 30 years ago were fantastic places to live, have completely gone to the uhhhh, rats, apparently. Why is this? I think it is partly linked to a progressive culture that says said do what the fukk you want. It is also partly due to the fact that these municipalities are flat broke and don't have the money for simple building upkeep, because it's being drained by a largely illegal immigrant underclass. CT is experiencing the same thing, but they are legal immigrants (Puerto Rico).

smackaholic wrote: THe alleged drug war is an utter failure. Legalize it all, right now. Addicts may be worthless and better off dead, but I still think they deserve a "safe" high. They aren't dying from heroin, they are dying from shit they think is heroin. I can't help but believe that some of them might actually figure out how to be functional heroin addicts just as we have functional bourbon drinkers ('sup goobs?).

Completely agree. Legal and cheap and pure heroin with safe places to shoot would save way more lives than our current joke of prohibition and punishment ever will. And if you're so stupid to stick the needle in your arm, you knew better.

I like to think of it like this. Computer cleaner aka duster is legal and addictive and you can huff that shit until the cows come home and fuck yourself up just as much as heroin.

Screw_Michigan wrote: Completely agree. Legal and cheap and pure heroin with safe places to shoot would save way more lives than our current joke of prohibition and punishment ever will. And if you're so stupid to stick the needle in your arm, you knew better.

I like to think of it like this. Computer cleaner aka duster is legal and addictive and you can huff that shit until the cows come home and fuck yourself up just as much as heroin.

How far do you go? Do we hand out pure heroine so they don’t die along with the free needles? Do we staff these “safe” spaces with nurses to make sure the users are safe? Do we buy land or a Bldg for this “safe” space?

He said to make it legal not free. Learn to read you fat greedy fuck.

Legal but not free is not a solution, there is not a building big enough to house these people, and most do not have incomes, which is a big factor in crime. San Diego doesn't have the same heroin problem of users in the streets, because they are soon arrested and are in the hole. Something drug addicts want to avoid.

The real solution is some sort of detox. That won't eliminate the issue, but will hopefully help some.

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What you know about drugs would fit in a thimble. Where did you come up with, there isn’t enough space? Out of your ass I’m sure.

Joe in PB wrote:Legal but not free is not a solution, there is not a building big enough to house these people, and most do not have incomes, which is a big factor in crime. San Diego doesn't have the same heroin problem of users in the streets, because they are soon arrested and are in the hole. Something drug addicts want to avoid.

The real solution is some sort of detox. That won't eliminate the issue, but will hopefully help some.

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All the same arguments applied to alcohol. We tried prohibition. It was a miserable failure. We realized this and rescinded it.

Let's try the same with other intoxicants.

We need to either shit or get off the pot. Full legalization, or be absolutely fukking ruthless with those dealing with hard drugs. I think full legalization should at least be given a chance. It hasn't yet.

Unfortunately there are few fuctioning alcoholics who don't totally implode, and even fewer heroin addicts. But there are success stories of people who have quit alcohol and heroin etc.



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There are also success stories of people who have used alcohol and other drugs. What is your point you stupid fuck?

To you? Get off illegal drugs.

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Nice white flag.

I hate it when I have to be on the side of the morons. :?

Queerland is correct. Blind squirrel and such.

There are plenty of us out here that use alcohol responsibly. Some use some drugs and remain functional as well. How many functional Heroin addicts would there be in a legal Heroin market?

I don't know.

What I do know is this alleged drug war hasn't stopped them. So let's tax it, regulate it and provide some of the tax proceeds to help those who want to quit.

Will it work?

Don't know. What we are currently doing is an abject failure.

Screw_Michigan wrote:Completely agree. Legal and cheap and pure heroin with safe places to shoot would save way more lives than our current joke of prohibition and punishment ever will. And if you're so stupid to stick the needle in your arm, you knew better.

You didn't mean pure heroin I hope. Because that would be a junkie holocaust. I'm think you meant properly cut heroin.

smackaholic wrote:What we are currently doing is an abject failure.

Agreed. So why not do what other countries have to minimize the issue. In Singapore, Thailand, etc. heroin users are executed, sounds harsh, but it works. We already know handing out free needles if anything is an enabler, not a solution to the problem. Meaning handing out free junk will only be more of the same. Most of these people won't be missed anyway as they have dropped out of society, and the hash penalty is quite the deterrent for those who have not started the downward spiral of a one way heroin habit.

Another option might be an extended detox, where inductees not only learn to function again without the crap, but also learn vocational skills so they can be placed in jobs and halfway houses upon completion of their extended detox.

Some tough decisions need to be made, if not our finest urban centers will be nothing more than 3rd world slums.

I also believe there is something to this story of treasonous elements in our intelligence services and government.

schmick wrote:I played a HS football game in San Francisco in 1989. It was supposed to a stadium that the 49ers once played in that was reopened. They painted the place pink. We, and another school from Southern California were up there for 3 days and part of the trip was a tour of the city. We took a bus that turned in to a subway and was covered in posters for "Gaycations" and "Queercruises". I have been back there one time since, in 1993 or so, there's no reason to visit this states asshole. The only thing worse than Sam Francisco is San Franciscans, every single one of them is a felch filled fart.

What a snowflake....

Joe in PB wrote: Agreed. So why not do what other countries have to minimize the issue. In Singapore, Thailand, etc. heroin users are executed, sounds harsh, but it works. We already know handing out free needles if anything is an enabler, not a solution to the problem. Meaning handing out free junk will only be more of the same. Most of these people won't be missed anyway as they have dropped out of society, and the hash penalty is quite the deterrent for those who have not started the downward spiral of a one way heroin habit.

Whatever Rodrigo Duerte does, we should do the opposite, you god forsaken moron.

There is nothing more moronic than enabling the problem then ignoring the issue like Democratic leadership has done.

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WTF are you babbling about now?

Don't look now but Denver, LA, and Seattle are not far behind.



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Definitely not the hippie-redneck town I grew up in anymore. The transplants fucked it all up (was the fastest-growing city for many, many years, not sure if it still is, since we're running out of room).

Which is why I live in the niiiiiiice suburbs. Not nearly the problems (although I can see homeless camps within a few minute drive). I can't count the number of times I've seen people shooting up on the sidewalk. The city picks up about 1000 used syringes per day. Radical leftists terrorize the city with impunity. And no one does a fucking thing about it. I'll never live in the Portland city limits. And I'll be working in a particularly shitty part of town tomorrow -- neato.

Joe in PB wrote:Don't look now but Denver, LA, and Seattle are not far behind.

I haven't been to Seattle in several years (odd, since I've spent a lot of time there in my life). But I've heard horror stories about what it's become.

Dinsdale wrote:
Which is why I live in the niiiiiiice whiiiiiite suburbs.

Papa Willie wrote:Well - every town has it's fucked up parts. That's a little more fucked up than normal, though.

There's very, very few parts of the city that aren't overrun with homeless camps and the property crime that goes with it.

And a couple of years ago, it was determined that homeless accounted for 52% of all arrests. The solution to this alarming problem -- stop arresting the homeless when they commit crimes. You can't make this shit up.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:
Which is why I live in the niiiiiiice whiiiiiite suburbs.

My official residence is in Tigard (next city south of Portland on the West Side). Large Hispanic population.

I'm pretty much always over at the woman's place, in Lake Oswego (immediately east of Tigard), aka Lake Nonegro (except for NBA players). Pretty much the nicest city in the state, although we're in the "poor" part of town.

The complete absence of crime here doesn't bother me a bit.

Dinsdale wrote:[ Large Hispanic population.

Which is becoming the entire westside of the state. Our local school district is now 57% Hispanic. School districts are a pretty good indicator of your local population. Really not that bad, but a 13% increase over the last 5 years.

The Hispanic folk are a weird dichotomy -- either pure salt-of-the-earth and the best neighbors one could ask for (like my next door neighbors, and the vast, overwhelming majority), and morally bankrupt gang banging pieces of violent shit, with nothing in between. I can't think of another subculture with such radical opposites, and no middle ground.

But at least Screwey thinks they're a "race."

Looks like the Rose City needs a healthy dose of good ole' fashioned police brutality. Shoot a handful of those fukks in the face and the problem will go away.

Sometimes I think maybe being over-run by the mongol commie hordes would be a good thing. Yeah, they're hopelessly corrupt, but they'd fix this sort of shit quickly. They would do mass scale organ harvesting on those fukks.