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So you know the story.

He blew out his shoe and wrenched his knee.
Seems to be a relatively minor injury and he'll be back soon.

Or will he?
Or should he be?

Perhaps you've heard the arguments from those saying he ought to pack it in and wait for the draft.

Something like...

He's shown his stuff.
He's a phenomenal physical talent.
He's likely in line to go #1 overall in the draft.
He's not getting paid (except for the free ride to Duke), and it is peanuts compared to what he's going to get as the top draft pick.
There is just no reason for him to risk injury, and especially in light of what we've just seen.

Wait for the draft -- it is the wise business decision.

So the argument goes.


Your thoughts on this?

Someone other than Nike needs to sign him to a shoe contract. Make the whole thing about how no matter what kind of moves he makes, their shoe can take it.

It would be the most successful marketing campaign ever.

You signed up to play, so play. Duke took out the insurance policy for him. If something catastrophic happens he has the insurance money.

The insurance policy thing is a good idea. It is the only way colleges will be able to keep kids around for long. I think a better solution is to simply do away with the student athlete charade bullshit, but until that happens, seetting them up with an insurance policy is better than nothing.

Left Seater wrote:You signed up to play, so play. Duke took out the insurance policy for him. If something catastrophic happens he has the insurance money.

What insurance policy are you talking about?

Sudden Sam wrote: The policy, according to the report, is worth $8 million. It was issued and written by ISI (International Specialty Insurance), and paid for by Duke -- all allowable within NCAA's rulebook.

Pennies on the dollar compared to his initial NBA contract value. Left Shitter will be by any minute now to tell us how this is just.

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:Pennies on the dollar compared to his initial NBA contract value. Left Shitter will be by any minute now to tell us how this is just.

The NBA has a rookie scale. $8M would likely be more than what the 16th player in the NBA draft would get for a 2 year contract.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelze ... 564a55642d

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Zion Williamson is not a 16th pick. I know you're pretty clueless, but wakey wake.

Sudden Sam wrote:That was really hard to find. Took two seconds. You ain't too bright, are you?

You new here?

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:Pennies on the dollar compared to his initial NBA contract value. Left Shitter will be by any minute now to tell us how this is just.

The NBA has a rookie scale. $8M would likely be more than what the 16th player in the NBA draft would get for a 2 year contract.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelze ... 564a55642d

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You can’t even read your own link. What an idiot.

Sam,
I know about that insurance policy. It wouldn’t cover his losses that is why I was asking Broken Seater what policy. You are dumb as a rock.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote: The policy, according to the report, is worth $8 million. It was issued and written by ISI (International Specialty Insurance), and paid for by Duke -- all allowable within NCAA's rulebook.

Pennies on the dollar compared to his initial NBA contract value. Left Shitter will be by any minute now to tell us how this is just.

So why don't you write him a fair policy then, you fukking moron.

Why do you and all your utopian retard friends fail to understand the concept of actuarial principles?

8 million dollars will allow anyone to live a reasonably comfortable life.

smackaholic wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:That was really hard to find. Took two seconds. You ain't too bright, are you?

You new here?

No he isn’t neither are you yet you both still talk out your ass.

Kierland wrote:

88 wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:Pennies on the dollar compared to his initial NBA contract value. Left Shitter will be by any minute now to tell us how this is just.

The NBA has a rookie scale. $8M would likely be more than what the 16th player in the NBA draft would get for a 2 year contract.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelze ... 564a55642d

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You can’t even read your own link. What an idiot.

Sam,
I know about that insurance policy. It wouldn’t cover his losses that is why I was asking Broken Seater what policy. You are dumb as a rock.

What "losses" has he suffered to date?

He is a kid who can ball. Some day, he may turn it into many millions of dollars. Duke has made an arrangement which will ensure that if he does injure himself in their service, he will still not have to worry for the rest of his life, so long as he isn't a complete moron.

Way to post something that has nothing to do with what I said. How surprising.

smackaholic wrote:8 million dollars will allow anyone to live a reasonably comfortable life.

True, but doesn't come remotely close to covering him for what will realistically haul in if he is healthy and is drafted into the NBA.
On top of his large team contract he will have a shoe deal and other endorsements.

If your car insurance policy will only pay you 10% of the value of your car if you total it, it isn't much of a policy, is it?


That said, I'm of the opinion that he should definitely suit up and play the rest of the season.
It's what he signed up for.

It will be a major twat move if he sits down.
I expect that he will play.

I think that there are legitimate aspects to both answers. If Zion chooses to not play due to earning potential being at risk, that is valid. But that raises a question about his character and the importance of money versus his desire to win. By going out and playing he will do what he wants to do, which is play basketball, and give those teammates a better chance at the title— particularly since most of them will never step foot on a basketball court as a professional.

So from a strictly monetary standpoint, not playing is the smart move. But if he is the competitor that I suspect he is, it’ll stick in his craw for the rest of his days that he didn’t find out if they were good enough to win the championship. Furthermore, it may be his only shot to win a national championship, because once he goes pro, he’ll likely get stuck on a bad or mediocre team.

If he goes out and finishes the season on court, he’ll show everyone that he has the drive to win— which I think will pay off more in the long run with his future teammates on whatever pro team he lands on.

As for a shoe contract, Nike will sell the farm to get Zion on their payroll. It looks unbelievably bad that the shoe he was wearing blew out— and this after the whole Kapernick controversy. Nike needs a win, even if the bottom line doesn’t reflect it. The shoe coming apart tarnishes the brand. UnderArmor, Puma, or Adidas could score a major coup if they could sign Williamson and they capitalized on the quality of the shoe.

Color me shocked Screwy can’t keep up. The policy is a loss of value policy. If dude slides so many spots the policy pays out. Dude would still get his NBA contract.

And excellent point by 88. The liberals have said there is too much income. Yet that are all worked up over this. Get your crap together.

Left Seater wrote: And excellent point by 88. The liberals have said there is too much income. Yet that are all worked up over this. Get your crap together.

Nice straw man.

88 wrote:the barrel fish

So we can add ballistics and hydraulics to the list of things you know nothing about.

Rooster wrote: As for a shoe contract, Nike will sell the farm to get Zion on their payroll. It looks unbelievably bad that the shoe he was wearing blew out— and this after the whole Kapernick controversy. Nike needs a win, even if the bottom line doesn’t reflect it. The shoe coming apart tarnishes the brand. UnderArmor, Puma, or Adidas could score a major coup if they could sign Williamson and they capitalized on the quality of the shoe.

Not even close to tarnishing the brand. My daughter is a marketing executive at Nike. Her and her team were responsible for the carefully engineered and planned Kapernick campaign. If you think that was not a carefully planned move on Nikes part from the top executive levels they you have no understanding of how Nike works.

When you have a brand like Nike, one blown out shoe is not going to cause you any trouble. All that matters is that the brand was exposed to more people because of the blow out and that is how Nike rolls. They will convert that exposure into something positive with little effort and in no time at all. They are completely unconcerned about any negativity from that shoe.

Rooster wrote:give those teammates a better chance at the title— particularly since most of them will never step foot on a basketball court as a professional.

Yeah, because it's not like Duke has the player who will go #2 in the NBA draft, nor do they have the guy that will go between 3-5, and yet another projected first-rounder.

Watch basketball much? They're the #1 team without him, dumbass.

88 wrote:

Kierland wrote:

88 wrote:the barrel fish

So we can add ballistics and hydraulics to the list of things you know nothing about.

First off they used dead fish, not very sciency. Second the only time they shot at a fish in a regular barrel they missed. You were saying?

Derron wrote:

Rooster wrote: As for a shoe contract, Nike will sell the farm to get Zion on their payroll. It looks unbelievably bad that the shoe he was wearing blew out— and this after the whole Kapernick controversy. Nike needs a win, even if the bottom line doesn’t reflect it. The shoe coming apart tarnishes the brand. UnderArmor, Puma, or Adidas could score a major coup if they could sign Williamson and they capitalized on the quality of the shoe.

Not even close to tarnishing the brand. My daughter is a marketing executive at Nike. Her and her team were responsible for the carefully engineered and planned Kapernick campaign. If you think that was not a carefully planned move on Nikes part from the top executive levels they you have no understanding of how Nike works.

When you have a brand like Nike, one blown out shoe is not going to cause you any trouble. All that matters is that the brand was exposed to more people because of the blow out and that is how Nike rolls. They will convert that exposure into something positive with little effort and in no time at all. They are completely unconcerned about any negativity from that shoe.

Hmmm.

Dinsdale wrote:

Rooster wrote:give those teammates a better chance at the title— particularly since most of them will never step foot on a basketball court as a professional.

Yeah, because it's not like Duke has the player who will go #2 in the NBA draft, nor do they have the guy that will go between 3-5, and yet another projected first-rounder.

Watch basketball much? They're the #1 team without him, dumbass.

Yes, possibly three players will go pro. But you seem to imply that Williamson is superfluous, yet without him on the squad that night, the Heels blew them out by 17 points. As for Duke being #1, Gonzaga is the AP favorite... dumbass.

Nice white flag you fucking POS.

Virginia Tech 77, Duke 72.

So Duke has now lost for the second time in three games. Any of you still convinced that Zion is expendable in that vaunted three future pro line up? That they are still a #1 seed? That they deserve the top spot in the rankings?

Rooster wrote:Virginia Tech 77, Duke 72.

So Duke has now lost for the second time in three games. Any of you still convinced that Zion is expendable in that vaunted three future pro line up? That they are still a #1 seed? That they deserve the top spot in the rankings?

Syracuse thrashed the Dookies without Zion. He's just a once in a generation prospect. I'm sure Duke will still carry away a national title without him. :rolleyes:

Derron wrote:

Rooster wrote: As for a shoe contract, Nike will sell the farm to get Zion on their payroll. It looks unbelievably bad that the shoe he was wearing blew out— and this after the whole Kapernick controversy. Nike needs a win, even if the bottom line doesn’t reflect it. The shoe coming apart tarnishes the brand. UnderArmor, Puma, or Adidas could score a major coup if they could sign Williamson and they capitalized on the quality of the shoe.

Not even close to tarnishing the brand. My daughter is a marketing executive at Nike. Her and her team were responsible for the carefully engineered and planned Kapernick campaign. If you think that was not a carefully planned move on Nikes part from the top executive levels they you have no understanding of how Nike works.

When you have a brand like Nike, one blown out shoe is not going to cause you any trouble. All that matters is that the brand was exposed to more people because of the blow out and that is how Nike rolls. They will convert that exposure into something positive with little effort and in no time at all. They are completely unconcerned about any negativity from that shoe.

Look at Dohron happily chugging Nike cock. Just do it.

This clip is hilarious, and especially coach Boeheim's take at the end.








There is no doubt that F. Howard tried to trip Williamson.

Zion just put down a big dunk on 'cuse and came away from it posturing and yapping.

So in that moment, Howard decided to stick his foot out.

He tried to take a little wind out of the big guy's sails.

There is no arguement. It was an attempt at a trip. And done to someone that is in the middle of getting turned around. He could easily have landed on his head. He could have been injured.

It should have been a T, game ejection nd maybe even another game. And if Boheim opened his yap, another T.

Barkley (the young Charles) might be the closest comparison.

But yeah, Zion is more explosive and athletic than Charles was.


I remember watching Shaq in college, and it was jaw-dropping.
Man vs. boys.
Utter physical dominance.

There is a similar feel to Zion.

Surprised that no one has strung together a Zion highlight video with this audio loop:

We're jammin', jammin', jammin', jammin'
We're jammin' right straight from yard
Singing Holy Mount Zion, Holy Mount Zion
Jah sitteth in Mount Zion and rules all creation
Yeah, we're jammin'

Papa Willie wrote:So here's a question. How much money do you think Zion's mother was paid to get him to wear Nike's again?

Nothing, you fat fucking retard.

Nike is Duke's exclusive supplier of uniforms, shoes and apparel under a 12-year contract that was extended in 2015 and has had an exclusive deal with the private university since 1992

Interesting rumor I heard via my equipment manager buddies. Apparently Zion hasn’t been a big fan of making his shoelaces all that tight. Apparently this helped the blow out happen with the shoe. Word is he got the message.

Left Seater wrote:Interesting rumor I heard via my equipment manager buddies. Apparently Zion hasn’t been a big fan of making his shoelaces all that tight.

I believe Earl Butz covered this back in the 70s.

Gobbles ManyCocks wrote:

Derron wrote:

Rooster wrote: As for a shoe contract, Nike will sell the farm to get Zion on their payroll. It looks unbelievably bad that the shoe he was wearing blew out— and this after the whole Kapernick controversy. Nike needs a win, even if the bottom line doesn’t reflect it. The shoe coming apart tarnishes the brand. UnderArmor, Puma, or Adidas could score a major coup if they could sign Williamson and they capitalized on the quality of the shoe.

Not even close to tarnishing the brand. My daughter is a marketing executive at Nike. Her and her team were responsible for the carefully engineered and planned Kapernick campaign. If you think that was not a carefully planned move on Nikes part from the top executive levels they you have no understanding of how Nike works.

When you have a brand like Nike, one blown out shoe is not going to cause you any trouble. All that matters is that the brand was exposed to more people because of the blow out and that is how Nike rolls. They will convert that exposure into something positive with little effort and in no time at all. They are completely unconcerned about any negativity from that shoe.

Look at Dohron happily chugging Nike cock. Just do it.

Can't stand the brand even when the daughter kicks me a free pair of shoes once a year. My political beliefs and Nikes are diametrically opposed. My daughter has changed her political views to fit in at Nike, because that is what a $ 190,000 a year job will do to you. Sure way to start a shit storm around our family is to crack on Nike or Intel, where one of my sons works. He takes it a lot better than my daughter does, she flat out goes ape shit if you crack on her precious company.

The guy is gonna be a bust like Ronald Curry.

Not even close to Curry.


He'll be another bust... he can't shoot.

FiatLux wrote:Not even close to Curry.


He'll be another bust... he can't shoot.

You know who I'am...

Derron wrote: Can't stand the brand even when the daughter kicks me a free pair of shoes once a year. My political beliefs and Nikes are diametrically opposed. My daughter has changed her political views to fit in at Nike, because that is what a $ 190,000 a year job will do to you. Sure way to start a shit storm around our family is to crack on Nike or Intel, where one of my sons works. He takes it a lot better than my daughter does, she flat out goes ape shit if you crack on her precious company.

Nice snowflake you raised there, Duhron.

Derron wrote:My daughter has changed her political views to fit in at Nike, because that is what a $ 190,000 a year job will do to you.

It's what it will do to her.

Derron raised a gutless sellout.
A loser.

Not a surprise.

Papa Willie wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Papa Willie wrote:So here's a question. How much money do you think Zion's mother was paid to get him to wear Nike's again?

Nothing, you fat fucking retard.

Nike is Duke's exclusive supplier of uniforms, shoes and apparel under a 12-year contract that was extended in 2015 and has had an exclusive deal with the private university since 1992

Bullshit. Now they may have told him they'd give him god knows what of a contract as soon as he gets out, but they were desperate - make no fucking doubt about that...

You were just force-fed your own bloody stool. Sit down and shut up.

And RACK poptart.