Dive boat death trap

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:39 pm

WTF?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/underwate ... k-accident

When I heard that a boat off the Cali coast caught fire and the crew escaped and everyone else died, I was certain this had to be a smuggler boat. It HAD to be a case where the "cargo" was locked below decks until they were smuggled ashore.

But it wasn't.

It was a bunch of rich white dudes from the bay area. And they all knew how to swim.

This is unimaginable.

It is a fairly small boat, powered, I am sure, by a diesel. Such vessels tend not to burst into a fireball. Diesel doesn't do that very well. One of the reasons it is used on such ships.

It will be interesting to see how exactly this happened. If I had to make a guess, it would be a propane leak/explosion that instantly took out everyone below decks.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:36 pm

Yeah but you’re an idiot so that’s probably not what happened.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:16 pm

Current theory is that it may have been a phone being charged in the sleeping area that caught fire. It was a wood hulled boat, most devices were being charged in the wheelhouse, but there were also a few electrical outlets below. Two small exits that could have quickly been blocked by flames if it started when everybody was asleep.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:31 pm

I'll say struck an iceberg

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:43 pm

Swamped by Dorian.

Sin,
DT

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:21 pm

schmick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:06 pm If all of those who died were indeed from Frisco then it wasn't really a tragedy at all

Kinda like 9-11

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:33 am

Terrorism? hmm.

Rammed by USS Gerald Ford

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:55 am

schmick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:06 pm If all of those who died were indeed from Frisco then it wasn't really a tragedy at all

We’re waiting for “the big one” to take out all of Riverside County.

The biggest loss there would be...I can’t think of anything.

The Whistle Is Screaming · Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:30 pm

Dr_Phibes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:33 am Terrorism? hmm.

Tripped by USS Gerald Ford

FTFY

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:08 pm

Spontaneous combustion. Or bizarre gardening accident.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:21 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:16 pm Current theory is that it may have been a phone being charged in the sleeping area that caught fire. It was a wood hulled boat, most devices were being charged in the wheelhouse, but there were also a few electrical outlets below. Two small exits that could have quickly been blocked by flames if it started when everybody was asleep.

Doesn't make sense. A wooden hull would not just burst into flames. 34 people in there. I can't imagine all were sound asleep. This had to be a single catastrophic event, like a gas leak in the galley which was likely a separate compartment. If it lit off, the explosion could have incapacitated everyone below decks.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:22 pm

Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:36 pm Yeah but you’re an idiot so that’s probably not what happened.

Might not be. You got anything even semi-intelligent to offer?

Do you ever do anything other than sling pooh?

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:06 am

You mean beside I was right? No I don’t. Scoreboard is all I have.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:07 am

There was no explosion. It was 3:30 am so they may have all been asleep. The only ones who escaped were the crew who were all upstairs on deck. Nobody was on watch, which is big mistake. They’re saying now that most or all died from smoke inhalation, not burning up, which would indicate that it started in the sleeping quarters and they were overcome before anybody could get out.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:53 am

Mikey wrote:There was no explosion. It was 3:30 am so they may have all been asleep. The only ones who escaped were the crew who were all upstairs on deck. Nobody was on watch, which is big mistake. They’re saying now that most or all died from smoke inhalation, not burning up, which would indicate that it started in the sleeping quarters and they were overcome before anybody could get out.

Interesting. You would think in a group of 34 people, you’d have a few tossing and turning who’d notice the smoke.

Sounds like a case of really shitty luck.

Must have all been youngsters. In a group of 34 old fukkers at least a dozen would be awake cursing their inability to sleep through the night. I speak from first hand experience.

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smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:54 am

Smoke detectors have to be required equipment on such a vessel.

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Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:58 am

On the news, the sleeping area showed double bunks laden with bedding, then privacy curtains. A bit like dropping a candle in a linen shop.

bizarre gardening accident.

Don't be ridiculous

Put Smackie down for Krakens.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:04 pm

Smackie Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:08 pm Spontaneous combustion. Or bizarre gardening accident.

Whichever the case, best left unsolved.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:30 am

The fire was caused by the overheating of the charging station--forty people on board, at least sixty phones and cameras being recharged on the charging station--right in the galley. The batteries are intense on these new models...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5v ... -boat-fire

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:45 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The fire was caused by the overheating of the charging station--forty people on board, at least sixty phones and cameras being recharged on the charging station--right in the galley. The batteries are intense on these new models...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5v ... -boat-fire

All right. Which one of you faggots stole let’s turd’s password.

That was actually an intelligible post. LTS would had it as a Mossad hit job.

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Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:36 pm

What did I say in the second post of this thread?

The Whistle Is Screaming · Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:02 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:36 pm What did I say in the second post of this thread?

See, I would say you had the 3rd post as I count the initial post as the 1st. Of course it's easy to see why you looked over (was that a short joke?) kierland's post and thought you were 2nd.

To answer the question, you said it was a charger and you were correct. Racks a plenty!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:10 pm

Mikey wrote:What did I say in the second post of this thread?

You said cell phones. I wouldn’t think a cell phone could cause a big enough fire.

The guy who hi-jacked let’s turd mentioned camera gear which I suspect has much bigger packs and I can see how they could cause a pretty nasty fire.

Anyhooo, would you put a Tesla powerwall anywhere near casa miguel?

I wouldn’t.

I imagine it ain’t pretty when that many cells light off.

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smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:12 pm

Mikey wrote:Swamped by Dorian.

Sin,
DT

The dive boat was in Alabama?

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Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:17 pm

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:02 pm
To answer the question, you said it was a charger and you were correct. Racks a plenty!

Killer "chargers"...

Somebody should look into this...

:|

The Whistle Is Screaming · Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:39 pm

I think you should head up a blue ribbon panel and get to the bottom of this obvious menace.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:16 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:10 pm
Anyhooo, would you put a Tesla powerwall anywhere near casa miguel?

I wouldn’t.

Actually, I have an 8 kWh Sonnen battery in my garage. Sort of a German version of the PowerWall but it uses lithium iron phosphate batteries instead of lithium ion. These have a slightly lower charge density (bigger battery for equal capacity) but are a lot more stable thermally and supposedly last longer (more charge/discharge cycles without serious degradation).

The charge density isn’t as important if you’re not hauling it around in a car or carrying it in your pocket.

https://sonnenusa.com/en/

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:33 pm

Mikey wrote:
smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:10 pm
Anyhooo, would you put a Tesla powerwall anywhere near casa miguel?

I wouldn’t.

Actually, I have an 8 kWh Sonnen battery in my garage. Sort of a German version of the PowerWall but it uses lithium iron phosphate batteries instead of lithium ion. These have a slightly lower charge density (bigger battery for equal capacity) but are a lot more stable thermally and supposedly last longer (more charge/discharge cycles without serious degradation).

The charge density isn’t as important if you’re not hauling it around in a car or carrying it in your pocket.

https://sonnenusa.com/en/

Which is why I think the idea of using something expensive like lithium in any of its forms for a stationary battery is kinda dumb.

It’s almost as if they’re spending someone else’s money.

Oh wait..... that’s right, they are.

I read something a year or two ago about using such exotic things as salt water. It had the power/weight ratio of shutyomouth on a rusty bicycle, but wgara for stationary storage.

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Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:41 pm

It still has to fit in the garage. I only have a three car garage and if we put a shutyomouth size battery in there we wouldn’t have any room for all the other junk that keeps from parking there.

You’ll be happy to know...my battery was paid for 100% with other people’s money.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:45 pm

Oh well, we’re likely gonna just default some day anyhoo. Glad I’m not into US bonds. Them chinamen are gonna be a little sore though.

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smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:47 pm

So, does this mean you just squirrel away all the spare electrons you make rather than sell them back to PG&E?

Do you have the storage to be able to just cut the cord if you wanted too?

Can you store trains efficiently enough that it would be worth buying off peak to charge your bank during a cloudy stretch?

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Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 pm

OK you asked, so here goes...

SDG&E (we don't use PG&E) has a time of use rate (TOU) available to EV owners that during the summer has a huge rate for "peak period" usage of $0.52/kWh. This is from 4:00 pm until 9:00 pm June through October. But that also comes with a "super off-peak" rate of $0.09/kWh from midnight until 6:00 am (until 2:00 pm on weekends and holidays). All other times (off-peak) is $0.28/kWh. Still high but it's the super off-peak that makes the deal. After October the peak period disappears and it's either $0.09 or $0.24.

If I charge my Kona EV every night it takes less than 2 hour to top it off, so I have the charger set to only charge during the super off-peak hours. If I wait until Saturday or Sunday I can still fully charge it (64 kWh from empty to full) before noon. As you know, I have a magic shade tree that makes electricity from the sunlight. We also have net metering, which means that I pay for whatever the difference is between what the PV is producing and what we are using at any given time. In fact, the utility only sees that net amount because the usage and generation all happen "behind" the meter.

So, at night we are paying for everything we use. In the daytime when I'm not home we get credit for all that energy we're feeding back into the grid.

Here's a chart I made a few weeks ago of 15 minute data from a fairly typical day in early June (no geeks around here...). At the time I was charging every night. Now I'm only charging on weekends. It should save some wear and tear on the car battery but makes no real difference in the utility analysis.

Notice that most of the energy I'm using is in the green area, where I'm paying $0.09/kWh. All that "negative" usage between 10:00 am and 6:00 pm I'm getting reimbursed either $0.28/kWh or $0.52/kWh. The battery is programmed to charge during the super off-peak period and discharge at a rate that keeps my peak usage as close to 0 as possible.

This worked out so well that I actually got an energy credit in June and July even though I was using more than I produced. It's all in the "arbitrage." It's not quite as great in August and September because the AC is on and we are actually using some peak period usage because the battery can't keep up. But it's still going to be a lot cheaper this year than last year.

It's not set up for backup - yet. I got the battery installed as part of a "smart home" study and I had to give the scientists control over the programming and access to my SDG&E data. At the end of the show I get to keep the equipment and do with it was I please. They also installed a 220V Level 2 EV charger and smart thermostat.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:42 pm

I plug in and charge and I unplug and drive. I use washing machine when I want and turn in AC when I feel like it. My bill is never more than $20.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:10 am

It’s great that you can get by so cheaply. Apples and oranges though. I live in a big house with a pool and mostly electric appliances. You live in a store room at the back of a nail salon.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:40 am

It’sal good man.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:04 am

Well. That resolved without issue...

:|

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:18 pm

Do you have full electric or plug-in hybrid?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:08 pm

No. I have the full gas Chevy Suburban Z71, 4 wheel drive with the 6.2L V-8.

With the Ranch Hand front grill and winch it eats fully electric cars for breakfast. I have no clue on the gas mpg but with a 31 gallon tank I don’t fill up but once a month or so.

Looks something like this except in the winter when it gets aggressive snow tires for Colorado mountain conditions.

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Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:15 pm

Not to mention the tons of pollution you spew into our environment with your plane. You should be taxed for that.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:55 pm

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:08 pm No. I have the full gas Chevy Suburban Z71, 4 wheel drive with the 6.2L V-8.

With the Ranch Hand front grill and winch it eats fully electric cars for breakfast. I have no clue on the gas mpg but with a 31 gallon tank I don’t fill up but once a month or so.

Looks something like this except in the winter when it gets aggressive snow tires for Colorado mountain conditions.

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Gross