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Good or bad?

My grocery store has recently put about 10 of these self check out terminals in the check out area. I tend to use them when I don’t have many items. I also use them at big box stores like Home Depot.

Another addition at our local supermarket is the scanning gun that you take with you while you shop and you scan the items as you add them to your basket. When you are ready to leave you hit a button and it totals your purchases and charges your card on file. You get to avoid the check out area completely. So far this is on an invite only basis for heavy users and people who have signed up for one of the chains discount cards.

Now it seems certain cities and states are moving to limit these technologies. Portland is apparently one of these places. Recent changes to the law raised minimum wages. Grocery stores then moved to install more self check out kiosks. Since this cost union employees hours or jobs the unions are fighting back. They have no succeeded in getting a ballot measure in place for voting in 2020. This would limit the number of self check out machines to no more than 2 per store. I am sure Dins can shed light on the exact measure.

This seems idiotic. Why not let customers choose? If they want to wait in line behind the oldies writing a check for groceries and interact with a human great, let them. But if they want to self check out they should also have that option.

So what say you? Self check out and kill union jobs or ban self check out kiosks?

In Portland (which I live about 2 miles outside the city limits of, thank God and GOD), I think one union whiner brought this up.

At this point, it's not really a thing. And among all but the most diehard leftists, unions are looking bad right now. The ILWU drove the container shippers out of town (over 2 jobs... 2)*, which immediately made the gridlock worse (almost overnight). And the fast food workers decided they could shut down local businesses. Unenployment is low here, and most places offer more than minimum wage ($12.50) anyway. I'm guessing the only places that pay that are food service that also have tips. I see entry level stuff (like gas stations) with signs for starting wages in the $14+ range (don't get any ideas, Screwey).

* - The ILWU got sued for $93 million over it, and they're going bankrupt. A new company is going to resume shipping operations at Terminal 6 (since it's by far the easiest port in the country to smuggle drugs into, and certain international entities weren't going to let it die). We'll see how the ILWU comes into play.

Dinsdale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:09 am A new company is going to resume shipping operations at Terminal 6 (since it's by far the easiest port in the country to smuggle drugs into, and certain international entities weren't going to let it die). We'll see how the ILWU comes into play.

Saw a picture on Twitter of a container ship headed down the Columbia out by Sauvies Island, headed for Terminal 6. Wonder how much Chinese fentenal (sp, I know fuckers) was squirreled in those boxes.

Seater doing a self checkout.





Dins doing a self checkout




Derron doing a self checkout

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:52 am Seater doing a self checkout.





Dins doing a self checkout




Derron doing a self checkout

Bwahaha

Post of the year

Bad.
Bad .

We need more human interaction, not less.

So you don’t mind waiting in a line to then be behind someone’s grandmother who waits for the total to be announced before she starts filling out her check?

I'm fine with them, but they need to be restricted to 20 or less items.

And rack Mikey!

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:39 pm So you don’t mind waiting in a line to then be behind someone’s grandmother who waits for the total to be announced before she starts filling out her check?

You ever been behind a blue hair
In the self-checkout?
That'll age you ten years.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:39 pm So you don’t mind waiting in a line to then be behind someone’s grandmother who waits for the total to be announced before she starts filling out her check?

The grocery store that I shop at (locally owned) doesn’t have any self checkout. But, unlike most of the major chains, they have very efficient checkers and will rarely let any line get longer than two customers before opening another register.

That being said, I’ll usually go with whatever option seems fastest. I almost always use the self checkout at Home Depot and, in the rare occasion when I’m forced go there, at Walmart. The Walmarts, at least around here, seem to have large, well managed self-check areas with a dozen or more registers. Plus their human checkers always seem to be glacially slow.

Other chains, like Target also seem to have very slow checkers. Costco, on the other hand, is super efficient. Haven’t seen any self checkout there but I think if they did it would probably fuck up their entire system.

That scanning gun seems like a good idea. Haven’t seen any of those around here. Of course you have to have a significant nucleus of customers intelligent enough to figure out how to use them to make that a worthwhile option.

Sorry, I just don’t see this as a political issue.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:39 pm So you don’t mind waiting in a line to then be behind someone’s grandmother who waits for the total to be announced before she starts filling out her check?

Not even G-mas use checks around here. I haven't even seen a checkbook in a store in 5 years, but I don't live in Textucky.

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:46 pm But, unlike most of the major chains, they have very efficient checkers and will rarely let any line get longer than two customers before opening another register.

Yes, the supermarket you shop at is magical.

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:46 pm ...the rare occasion when I’m forced go there, at Walmart. The Walmarts, at least around here, seem to have large, well managed self-check areas with a dozen or more registers.

We know Mick...Walmart is soooo déclassé, but your Walmart is gilded with rose petals and unicorn farts...


Could you be any more middle class fragile?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:40 pm

Could you be any more middle class fragile?

Probably. If I tried really really hard.

Do all Canadians have a raging inferiority complex?

The Whistle Is Screaming wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:06 pm I'm fine with them, but they need to be restricted to 20 or less items.

And rack Mikey!

All that needs to be said.

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:40 pm

Could you be any more middle class fragile?

Probably. If I tried really really hard.

Do all Canadians have a raging inferiority complex?

No.
But most left wing socialists do.

EAP wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:26 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:40 pm

Could you be any more middle class fragile?

Probably. If I tried really really hard.

Do all Canadians have a raging inferiority complex?

No.
But most left wing socialists do.

Relax, bro. We are all pawns in the game of life, waiting to advance, die or be reborn a Queen. And then the game is over and we have to start all over again, because god's best two out of three goes on for infinity.

What are you up to this afternoon, and why isn't it turning off C-Span?

Mikey,

I don’t see this as a political issue. In fact it would seem to be more generational. The younger someone is the more likely they are to use the self serve machines.

But apparently this is a political thing in the U&L. Why else would this be on the ballot?

Self check out machines = further dumbing down of society.

Ratchet up the sheepification.


Not IN.

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:34 pm

EAP wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:26 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 pm

Probably. If I tried really really hard.

Do all Canadians have a raging inferiority complex?

No.
But most left wing socialists do.

Relax, bro. We are all pawns in the game of life, waiting to advance, die or be reborn a Queen. And then the game is over and we have to start all over again, because god's best two out of three goes on for infinity.

What are you up to this afternoon, and why isn't it turning off C-Span?

Oh, so you're on the same page of reincarnation like shirley Maclaine?

I agree with your take by the way.
We all end up in the same hole in the ground.
Bill Gates and the starving kid in africa.
The queen of England and the poorest bum on the streets of San Francisco.
ALL end up in a hole as food for worms.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:39 pm Mikey,

I don’t see this as a political issue. In fact it would seem to be more generational. The younger someone is the more likely they are to use the self serve machines.

But apparently this is a political thing in the U&L. Why else would this be on the ballot?

The U&L is a shithole full of California rejects, and I think we can safely discard it as an outlier.

Unfortunately for you, Tejas seems to be trending in the same direction.

Agree these Cali rejects are ruining a good place to live.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:54 pm Agree these Cali rejects are ruining a good place to live.

The way I look at it is that we took everybody else’s in for 50 years. It’s just time to start giving back.

I mean I don’t mind them in theory. It is just when they show up and bitch about Cali, but then go to the ballot box and pull the D lever, that they become rejects.

You left Cali for a reason. If you vote team D, the next place will eventually become Cali and you will just have to leave again.

EAP wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:46 pm

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:34 pm

EAP wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:26 pm

No.
But most left wing socialists do.

Relax, bro. We are all pawns in the game of life, waiting to advance, die or be reborn a Queen. And then the game is over and we have to start all over again, because god's best two out of three goes on for infinity.

What are you up to this afternoon, and why isn't it turning off C-Span?

Oh, so you're on the same page of reincarnation like shirley Maclaine?

I agree with your take by the way.
We all end up in the same hole in the ground.
Bill Gates and the starving kid in africa.
The queen of England and the poorest bum on the streets of San Francisco.
ALL end up in a hole as food for worms.

Reincarnation is tricky. Someone on a different board said, 'We,ve all had those dreams,' as five year olds or younger, the details of places we should never have had knowledge of, let alone intimate knowledge of.

But (I believe) the Dalai Lama version is a scam.

Racial memory is real.

Keeping your conscience is not. I hope not. Most deaths are traumatic and scarring.

If you personally -- individually -- could live forever, in one body after another, would you?

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:24 amReincarnation is tricky.

No, it's not. It's just another afterlife fantasy. You ever notice how morons who believe in reincarnation never claim to be a reincarnated leper or some other such dreg of society? They're always some kind of high priest or nobility. Never some poor shitbag who got kicked in the head by a goat at age two. Also, where are all these new souls coming from? There are more people alive right now this very second than have existed in all of human history combined.

It's very dumb idea for vain and frightened people.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:42 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:24 amReincarnation is tricky.

It's very dumb idea for vain and frightened people.

Like Bokononism?

Reincarnation is tricky because reality doesn't always mesh with our limited understanding of the cosmos.

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:52 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:42 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:24 amReincarnation is tricky.

It's very dumb idea for vain and frightened people.

Like Bokonism?

Reincarnation is tricky because reality doesn't always mesh with our limited understanding of the cosmos.

I'm with you.
Anyone, and I mean anyone who claims to have an understanding of the afterlife or lack thereof?
Is themselves a fool

Belief in GOD is indeed faith.
As is a non belief in God.
Until we know anything about the great unsolved things?
Atheists and leftists and agnostics are in the same "faith"
Boat as all of us.

Only, and here's the big elephant in the room,
Our boat offers hope.
There boat is the titanic.

Think about that reality.

EAP wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:53 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:52 am

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:42 am

It's very dumb idea for vain and frightened people.

Like Bokonism?

Reincarnation is tricky because reality doesn't always mesh with our limited understanding of the cosmos.

I'm with you.
Anyone, and I mean anyone who claims to have an understanding of the afterlife or lack thereof?
Is themselves a fool

Belief in GOD is indeed faith.
As is a non belief in God.
Until we know anything about the great unsolved things?
Atheists and leftists and agnostics are in the same "faith"
Boat as all of us.

Only, and here's the big elephant in the room,
Our boat offers hope.
There boat is the titanic.

Think about that reality.

The Titanic offered hope, too. The hope was dashed by someone deciding to be cheap, in the hopes that a one in a million accident would never occur. It did occur. People died. People lived.

Your boat is built cheaply, too.

So is mvscal's.

If you truly believe that liberty is sacrosanct, then you agree the government has no right to force a business owner to employ people over machines or vice versa.

In the same breath, once the business owner makes that decision, the government also has no right to force a customer of said business to stand in one line or the other.

Let the foot traffic decide. If that ultimately means that there should be no humans at the checkout register, then their labor shall be more valuable elsewhere in the market.

With that said, I do not like the self checkout machines as the scanners are not efficient. I’d rather go to the line with a person doing that job.

L45B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 am If you truly believe that liberty is sacrosanct, then you agree the government has no right to force a business owner to employ people over machines or vice versa.

The government is the people. The union wants the people to decide that there is more benefit in saving union jobs than saving merchant's profits. They met the requirements to put it up to an official vote. That's the system.

The people will vote via their long-term behavior, regardless.

If you're shopping, responsibility begins and ends with you. Put your things in the cart, then put on the conveyor to the cash. Why are you mucking about with scanning guns and bagging groceries? That's their job, sucker.

L45B wrote:If you truly believe that liberty is sacrosanct, then you agree the government has no right to force a business owner to employ people over machines or vice versa.

I concur.

Unfortunately, liberty went out the window a long time ago.


You have owners.

- George Carlin

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:31 am
The Titanic offered hope, too. The hope was dashed by someone deciding to be cheap, in the hopes that a one in a million accident would never occur. It did occur. People died. People lived.

Your boat is built cheaply, too.

So is mvscal's.

The boat was fine. The people driving it...not so much.

Belief in the afterlife is rooted in fear of death. There is no heaven. There is no hell. There is no reincarnation. Sure, it sounds great, but anything that sounds too good to be true is a lie. It's for suckers and weaklings. If it gets you through the day, fantastic. Whatever.

Not saying I'm unafraid to die at least at this point in my life. I just recognize it for what it is. You die. You rot. That's it. We're just meat. The only "reincarnation" you will ever (not) experience is when your constituent chemicals are integrated back into the dirt. There is only one truth in the Bible: Ashes to ashes...dust to dust.

Deal with it.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:12 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:31 am
The Titanic offered hope, too. The hope was dashed by someone deciding to be cheap, in the hopes that a one in a million accident would never occur. It did occur. People died. People lived.

Your boat is built cheaply, too.

So is mvscal's.

The boat was fine. The people driving it...not so much.

Belief in the afterlife is rooted in fear of death. There is no heaven. There is no hell. There is no reincarnation. Sure, it sounds great, but anything that sounds too good to be true is a lie. It's for suckers and weaklings. If it gets you through the day, fantastic. Whatever.

Not saying I'm unafraid to die at least at this point in my life. I just recognize it for what it is. You die. You rot. That's it. We're just meat. The only "reincarnation" you will ever (not) experience is when your constituent chemicals are integrated back into the dirt. There is only one truth in the Bible: Ashes to ashes...dust to dust.

Deal with it.

Once again, until you know the answers to the great questions of the origins of things?
Your last post is complete and utter bullshit.
Are you having trouble with that logic?

There is no answer, scientific or otherwise, to the great unknowns.
So when you explain things that aren't known? You come across as clownish.
Notice how I used the word faith.
When there's a great unknown,
It's all faith at that point until proven otherwise.
So whether you like it or not, your ass is firmly planted in that boat of faith.

Funny how this seems to be light years over your head.

EAP wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:26 am
Once again, until you know the answers to the great questions of the origins of things?

Dead things know nothing. I've seen enough of them. They just stink.

So when you explain things that aren't known?

I'm not explaining anything that isn't already known. Dead meat rots. You're meat. You die. You rot. There is nothing more to it. That's life and death on planet Earth.

Notice how I used the word faith.

Yes, I have noticed. So does every grifter working a mark.

mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:41 am

EAP wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:26 am
Once again, until you know the answers to the great questions of the origins of things?

Dead things know nothing. I've seen enough of them. They just stink.

So when you explain things that aren't known?

I'm not explaining anything that isn't already known. Dead meat rots. You're meat. You die. You rot. There is nothing more to it. That's life and death on planet Earth.

Notice how I used the word faith.

Yes, I have noticed. So does every grifter working a mark.

Ok.
Let me explain in layman's terms,
Since you seem to have trouble with logic.

In order to be in your camp of thinking that there is no God,
You must follow the thinking that
"Something came from nothing".
Which is in and of itself, impossible.

The big bang theory?
An explosion that started our universe?
That something would've come from nothing, so to speak.

See you have a huge disconnect from reality.
Until science explains something through experimentation, it's not a proven fact.
So your posts don't refute my posts.
Here's where you stepped in your own shit.
The unexplained origins of all things.
That's the fly in your ointment.
The big elephant in the room.
And your Achilles heel.

You are AFRAID of what you don't know or understand.

I'm not.

You act like we are afraid, but in reality? You're a frightened little dove in a cage of burmese pythons.

It's a classic deceptive technique you use.
But against a superior IQ such as mine, you are hitting a brick wall in a Maserati goin' 225.

Mvscal is half right....

We have a physical body and a spiritual energy

When we die the physical body decays and turns to dust

The spiritual energy is transferred somewhere....

How do I know this????

Einstein proved that energy can't be created or destroyed....energy is TRANSFERRED!

Our spirit is energy
When we die our spiritual energy is transferred to HEAVEN!

Holly Golightly wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:20 am Mvscal is half right....

We have a physical body and a spiritual energy

When we die the physical body decays and turns to dust

The spiritual energy is transferred somewhere....

How do I know this????

Einstein proved that energy can't be created or destroyed....energy is TRANSFERRED!

Our spirit is energy
When we die our spiritual energy is transferred to HEAVEN!

Holly.
You are one smart cookie.
Together, we can rule the board
But 88 is still in charge of course.