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Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:32 pm**

We have all been told that we can’t gather in groups at this time. We have also been told that religious services are banned in person. Both are rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

A couple of States have also banned elective surgeries (my father in law’s knee replacement is now scheduled for Aug instead of this past Wed.). Included in this ban on elective procedures is Abortion unless the mother’s life is at risk.

This has already made it to the appeals court level in Texas where the Appeals court has allowed the temporary measure to stand. They reasoned that if some Constitutional rights can be suspended so can others.

I get that abortion is legal in this country at the moment. This isn’t to argue that. The question is can abortions be temporarily suspended? If not why?

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:16 pm**

Whatever. The whole thing has smelled funny to me since day one. Death rate no more than most all diseases and causes and we are doing these things ? MADNESS.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:25 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:32 pm We have all been told that we can’t gather in groups at this time. We have also been told that religious services are banned in person. Both are rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

A couple of States have also banned elective surgeries (my father in law’s knee replacement is now scheduled for Aug instead of this past Wed.). Included in this ban on elective procedures is Abortion unless the mother’s life is at risk.

This has already made it to the appeals court level in Texas where the Appeals court has allowed the temporary measure to stand. They reasoned that if some Constitutional rights can be suspended so can others.

I get that abortion is legal in this country at the moment. This isn’t to argue that. The question is can abortions be temporarily suspended? If not why?

No, because they are time sensitive like trauma surgery and many heart surgeries and whatnot.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:26 pm**

Wolfman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:16 pm Whatever. The whole thing has smelled funny to me since day one. Death rate no more than most all diseases and causes and we are doing these things ? MADNESS.

Ok old man, what is the death rate for “most diseases” and what is it for #19?

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:28 pm**

Time sensitive? So is Easter, but those gatherings have been suspended.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:32 pm**

Easter is surgery.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:34 pm**

Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:26 pm
Wolfman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:16 pm Whatever. The whole thing has smelled funny to me since day one. Death rate no more than most all diseases and causes and we are doing these things ? MADNESS.
Ok old man, what is the death rate for “most diseases” and what is it for #19?

The death rate will never be known due to the fucked up accounting methods everyone is using.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:34 pm**

Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:32 pm Easter is surgery.

Of course not. But Easter which is one of the biggest days in the Christian Religion comes only once a year.

If you are going to use a time sensitive argument for one Constitutional Right, you can’t deny it for others.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:59 pm**

It’s has to also be necessary, that is part of time sensitive. I should have explained that better.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:34 pm [quote=Kierland post_id=<a href="tel:1021894">1021894</a> time=<a href="tel:1586615554">1586615554</a> user_id=1152]
Easter is surgery.

Of course not. But Easter which is one of the biggest days in the Christian Religion comes only once a year.

If you are going to use a time sensitive argument for one Constitutional Right, you can’t deny it for others.
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There is no harm in having Easter with your isolation partners. If you don’t get your bypass or your abortion there is a harm. It’s part of being time sensitive, I should have made that more clear.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:04 pm**

Bypass surgery isn’t elective in most people’s view. Abortion is certainly elective to about half of the citizens.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:19 pm**

Kierland wrote:It’s has to also be necessary, that is part of time sensitive. I should have explained that better.
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:34 pm [quote=Kierland post_id=<a href="tel:1021894">1021894</a> time=<a href="tel:1586615554">1586615554</a> user_id=1152]
Easter is surgery.
Of course not. But Easter which is one of the biggest days in the Christian Religion comes only once a year.

If you are going to use a time sensitive argument for one Constitutional Right, you can’t deny it for others.

There is no harm in having Easter with your isolation partners. If you don’t get your bypass or your abortion there is a harm. It’s part of being time sensitive, I should have made that more clear.[/quote]
How many abortions are “necessary”?

I would guess a rather small percentage.

As for their being time sensitive, yeah, they are. If you wait too long, they could actually turn into a human being.

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Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:21 pm**

Left Seater wrote:Bypass surgery isn’t elective in most people’s view. Abortion is certainly elective to about half of the citizens.

Actually, a substantial majority of abortions are elective to anyone.

I’m not debating whether or not they should be legal, but to call them anything other than elective is ridiculous.

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Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:24 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:04 pm Bypass surgery isn’t elective in most people’s view. Abortion is certainly elective to about half of the citizens.

I didn’t say elective. You did.
If she doesn’t have the abortion now she can’t later. Which I’m sure is what you want.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:58 pm**

Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:24 pm
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:04 pm Bypass surgery isn’t elective in most people’s view. Abortion is certainly elective to about half of the citizens.
I didn’t say elective. You did.
If she doesn’t have the abortion now she can’t later. Which I’m sure is what you want.

Correct. I said elective in the very first post because some states are labeling it as an elective procedure, which it absolutely is.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:19 pm**

smackaholic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:19 pm
As for their being time sensitive, yeah, they are. If you wait too long, they could actually turn into a human being.

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Which is what you are angling for.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:22 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:58 pm
Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:24 pm
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:04 pm Bypass surgery isn’t elective in most people’s view. Abortion is certainly elective to about half of the citizens.
I didn’t say elective. You did.
If she doesn’t have the abortion now she can’t later. Which I’m sure is what you want.
Correct. I said elective in the very first post because some states are labeling it as an elective procedure, which it absolutely is.

I don’t care what they label it as if it doesn’t take into account the time sensitive nature of the procedure.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:09 am**

Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t care what they label it as if it doesn’t take into account the time sensitive nature of the procedure.

Ok. So they labeled it as elective, which is allowing them to prevent it for the time being.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:24 am**

Yes, doesn’t make it right.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:02 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:32 pm We have all been told that we can’t gather in groups at this time. We have also been told that religious services are banned in person. Both are rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
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I get that abortion is legal in this country at the moment. This isn’t to argue that. The question is can abortions be temporarily suspended? If not why?

Is it a right? Because nig.gas get told to disperse all of the time, without any crime having been committed.

Church isn't suspended. The number of people who can't bother with social distancing has been suspended. How often does your church clean every surface? Facebook, other internet meeting apps, televised ministries, phone calls to parishioners, one on one meetings, why do people go to church?

Yes, abortions can be suspended. Why wouldn't they be? Given it's legal to abort in some places even with the head crowning, how is abortion time sensitive anymore? It isn't.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:08 pm**

Kierland wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:24 pm If she doesn’t have the abortion now she can’t later.

Why, she'll change her mind?

Gotta keep those nig.ga numbers down by any means necessary, though, right?

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:11 pm**

Abortion advocates claim it is a Constitutional right. How a right to privacy is interpreted to mean killing a living being is Constitutional, seems like a stretch to me, but that’s what was ruled.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:26 pm**

This has no been appealed to the SCOTUS.

The prevailing argument of the abortion side is this:

“ constitutional rights don’t cease to exist just because there’s a pandemic”

If they are to prevail using this argument, then look for legal challenges to the shelter in place orders. If you can’t suspend one Constitutional Right, then you can’t suspend any.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:36 pm**

Kierland wrote:
smackaholic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:19 pm
As for their being time sensitive, yeah, they are. If you wait too long, they could actually turn into a human being.

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Which is what you are angling for.

I’m not angling for shit. Just pointing out facts.

The fact is that in the great majority of cases, the result will be the birf of a healthy baby.

And there will be a line of people willing to adopt it as an infant.

As for what I am “angling” for, is for us to get back to work.

And yes, even abortion docs.

Putting off a knee surgery because someone might contract #19 in the OR is asinine.

An OR is already a sterile environment. It’s as socially isolated as it gets.

Same goes for dentist office.

You feeling well, not coughing, no fever? It’s OK to have a dentist with his standard PPE work on you.

How many will put off an appointment because it’s not that bad, then end up with an abscess that could kill them?

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Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:39 pm**

Holic, the OR isn’t the issue with having a knee replacement. It is the hospital stay for the next 5-7 days that gets everyone worried.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:26 pm This has no been appealed to the SCOTUS.

The prevailing argument of the abortion side is this:

“ constitutional rights don’t cease to exist just because there’s a pandemic”
If they are to prevail using this argument, then look for legal challenges to the shelter in place orders. If you can’t suspend one Constitutional Right, then you can’t suspend any.

I think you mean not not no. Sometimes people do make typos. :?

The USC is always a balance, it is what you learn in Con Law on day two after they teach you about 1066 and 1215. Again the “down” side of missing an abortion or some other surgeries is “worse” than the alternative since it is possible to safely do the procedure in a building with no ‘rona patients.

I know they aren’t really rights if they can be taken away, but there is always the underlying “but” in most con law questions.
Like free speech doesn’t include soliciting murder because it didn’t include that when we “took the right from the king” which is a concept 88 doesn’t seem to understand, but hopefully you do.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 pm**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:39 pm Holic, the OR isn’t the issue with having a knee replacement. It is the hospital stay for the next 5-7 days that gets everyone worried.

‘Holic,
What he said.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:41 pm**

Ever have a dream so complex you wish you had photographic memory to go back through it again?

Thank you, Left Seater, and Kierland, for this thread.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:56 am**

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:39 pm It is the hospital stay for the next 5-7 days that gets everyone worried.

I had a total right knee in December 2018. In at 11 am, out by 11 am the next day. The hack who worked on me does 4 to 6 a day, 4 days a week.

The Oregon Republican minority is calling our communist governor out. The rural hospitals they worked so hard to get established and funded are now bleeding cash at a horrid rate. No electives means nothing much happening for them. ER visits are down 70% and admissions as much. The system my wife works for is a larger system but they are hurting to and starting into their cash reserves, which are pretty good, but over time impacts a lot of different ratios and not what auditors or lenders want to see.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:51 am**

Derron wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:56 am
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:39 pm It is the hospital stay for the next 5-7 days that gets everyone worried.
I had a total right knee in December 2018. In at 11 am, out by 11 am the next day. The hack who worked on me does 4 to 6 a day, 4 days a week.

The Oregon Republican minority is calling our communist governor out. The rural hospitals they worked so hard to get established and funded are now bleeding cash at a horrid rate. No electives means nothing much happening for them. ER visits are down 70% and admissions as much. The system my wife works for is a larger system but they are hurting to and starting into their cash reserves, which are pretty good, but over time impacts a lot of different ratios and not what auditors or lenders want to see.

It pays to keep people sick?

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:01 pm**

There is now a lawsuit in CA that names the governor among others as preventing the free exercise of religion. Some churches claim they should be allowed to have services since they can comply with social distancing.

However, given the abortion ruling it would seem this should be shot down.

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:16 pm**

Both of which I disagree with. Outright bans at this point are Overbroad (because many banned things can be done safely) and therefore Constitutionally void.

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:23 pm**

Kierland wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:16 pm Both of which I disagree with. Outright bans at this point are Overbroad (because many banned things can be done safely) and therefore Constitutionally void.

every so often you make total sense

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:35 pm**

I make sense all the time. You are just a stupid idiot beholden to an ideology so you have to use pretzel logic most of the time. I’m guided by reason so I get to be right every time, well at least more often than you and your nazi handler.

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:21 pm**

You married a cow.

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